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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?

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FyreWulff

Member
Hey You said:
Me too. Do we know why they didn't remove them?
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Hell if I know. It kind of moots the increased weighting of Condemned if they doubled the amount of non-Condemned map selections.

I've been monitoring for feedback on Downlinked, and I've gotten like two acknowledgements that it exists from the Waypoint forums. The other 99% of my feedback/Live messages are over Uncongealed, and I can't tell if it's just because Uncongealed is more controversial for people since it nerfed the hell out of the The Cage exploits or if it's just because people are having that much of a hard time getting Condemned.

Still silly that they left them in though, it's like "here's fixed maps that are more fun for both sides, or a map where if you spawn as a human, you can go +30". Even more annoying when I see voting screens like

Boardwalk
Powerhouse
Deadwalk

or

Powerhouse
Reflection
Powerless

It's like stop it

And then you see:

Deadwalk
Count dHouen
Sword Base

and Sword Base wins the vote 10-1 :/
 
K

kittens

Unconfirmed Member
Gabotron ES said:
You may want to watch BeastingHalo's Youtube Channel, hold your breath...
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I just watched some of his vids, and holy shit. People like him are the reason Living Dead is unplayable.

And yeah, I agree: remove vanilla maps from LD.
 
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Hypertrooper

Member
Hey You said:
Me too. Do we know why they didn't remove them?

Does 343's Playlist manager activity engage with the community like Shishka (somewhat) and Jeremiah did over on BNet?

I know they have this account called "MM systems team" over on Waypoints who it doesn't seem like they interact with the community.
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343's Playlist manager isn't known. I'd say that the Community Managers or other 343i employees reading forum posts. putting them on a list and discussing them at a MP meeting. That's the impression I got. But I'm talking BS again. So skip this post.
 
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Steelyuhas

Member
Alright, took care of the Xbox issue, investigation is launched. Looks like I won't be seeing you guys on Xbox Live for a couple of weeks.

Nor will I be able to use that email, or my skydrive, including Live mesh, also my phone is signed in through that ID. Awesome.
 
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Gabotron ES

Member
Steelyuhas said:
Alright, took care of the Xbox issue, investigation is launched. Looks like I won't be seeing you guys on Xbox Live for a couple of weeks.

Nor will I be able to use that email, or my skydrive, including Live mesh, also my phone is signed in through that ID. Awesome.
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Wow that's fucked up, sorry for that bro :(
 
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Booshka

Member
Steelyuhas said:
Alright, took care of the Xbox issue, investigation is launched. Looks like I won't be seeing you guys on Xbox Live for a couple of weeks.

Nor will I be able to use that email, or my skydrive, including Live mesh, also my phone is signed in through that ID. Awesome.
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: /

This social engineering/hacking shit on XBL is out of hand.
 
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kittens

Unconfirmed Member
I honestly don't see the problem behind exceeding daily cR limits. Like others said several pages back: the cR system is purely one of cosmetic armor changes, so why does it matter? Let people have their pretty armor and Inheritor status earlier.
 
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Tunavi

Banned
Steelyuhas said:
Alright, took care of the Xbox issue, investigation is launched. Looks like I won't be seeing you guys on Xbox Live for a couple of weeks.

Nor will I be able to use that email, or my skydrive, including Live mesh, also my phone is signed in through that ID. Awesome.
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This is ridiculous and microsoft doesn't seem to care at all. Is this EA's fault, MS's fault or both?
 
B

Booshka

Member
Tunavi said:
the real question is why does he still care about credits even though he's an Inheritor. Blows my mind hahah
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If people can illegitimately farm cR, it makes his Inheritor status less covetous
if that's even possible.
Imagine all the people getting to Inheritor rank without having to poopsock it for a year, that kind of realization can cut a man deep.
 
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Nutter

Member
Gabotron ES said:
I don't blam them for having fun in that playlist, sure it may seem cheap but the reason I love Halo are all the different play styles.

P.S: FUCK EVADE!
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They only play it because its the easiest playlist to get kills in. I will NEVER understand how standing around and waiting for zombies to come get you is fun. Meh.

The various posts on Waypoint even prove this when 343i changed the maps.
 
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heckfu

Banned
Tunavi said:
the real question is why does he still care about credits even though he's an Inheritor. Blows my mind hahah
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Credit system blows, ranks don't mean anything anymore and it's turned into CoD where only the people that play the most get the highest ranks. Lamezorz.
 
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Tunavi

Banned
Booshka said:
If people can illegitimately farm cR, it makes his Inheritor status less covetous
if that's even possible.
Imagine all the people getting to Inheritor rank without having to poopsock it for a year, that kind of realization can cut a man deep.
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Gameplay issues >>> Credit issues
 
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MrBig

Member
Tunavi said:
the real question is why does he still care about credits even though he's an Inheritor. Blows my mind hahah
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I felt like I earned my 45 in Lone Wolves (back when it was super competitive, a few months after the game came out). I don't feel like I earned my Legend in Reach and have no desire to reach Inheritor. Credits were a complete failure in my eyes.
 
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Nutter

Member
heckfu said:
Credit system blows, ranks don't mean anything anymore and it's turned into CoD where only the people that play the most get the highest ranks. Lamezorz.
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Yes the credit system is lame and it doesnt really show the the persons skill, but lets not kid ourselves, most (90%) of HaloGAF would be forever stuck in the 35 to 45 range.
 
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Booshka

Member
MrBig said:
I felt like I earned my 45 in Lone Wolves (back when it was super competitive, a few months after the game came out). I don't feel like I earned my Legend in Reach and have no desire to reach Inheritor. Credits were a complete failure in my eyes.
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Reach straddled the fence with gameplay and level progression, half Halo and half Shadowrun, that didn't work, then they went half Halo, half Call of Duty for the level progression, that didn't work either.
 
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Slightly Live

Dirty tag dodger
Nutter said:
Yes the credit system is lame and it doesnt really show the the persons skill, but lets not kid ourselves, most (90%) of HaloGAF would be forever stuck in the 35 to 45 range.
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And what's wrong with that? Not everyone can be the best - not being the best doesn't take away my fun when I'm playing the game.

It makes the 3% of times I beat you in a fair fight all the more sweeter! =P
 
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bobs...onGaf

Member
HiredN00bs said:
This was the test account I made that I mentioned earlier:

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Default.aspx?player=cR201201131240

I made it less than 48 hours ago and it's already got 930,000 cR on it. Think we'll see this fixed? What good does it do to report old problems when they're actively creating new ones?
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How in the world did you get that much CR in just 48 hours!?? I assume it was pretty time consuming? If you grinded the majority of the last 48 hours out on Halo then as far as im concerned you deserve that much! If you did it in like 5 hours, then woah?

As Tunavi said:

Gameplay issues >>> Credit issues
 
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bobs...onGaf

Member
The thing with Halo 3 ranks is, as much as they may not be for everyone, they sure as hell pleased the guys that were interested in that system. Personally going for 50 was something that added value to the game for me. I enjoyed the game more.

With Halo 4 quite frankly I may not have the time, thats fine I will enjoy going for exp, but for the people that do want to go for it, that ranking system should be there.

Reach has the Arena which is a pretty poor alternative.
 
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Nutter

Member
Gabotron ES said:
:lol I was a 20 in 3, didn't really like ranked playlists :/
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Though this will never happen, they need to go back to Halo 2's Ranking system. Where winning and loosing actually did something to your ranks.

Yes you will have boosters, but then again regardless of what your methods are and what systems developers have in place, people will ALWAYS boost. That is what the Ban hammer is suppose to be for, USE IT. Give people the Ranks + give them the EXP Icon associated with that rank.
 
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Gabotron ES

Member
Nutter said:
Though this will never happen, they need to go back to Halo 2's Ranking system. Where winning and loosing actually did something to your ranks.

Yes you will have boosters, but then again regardless of what your methods are and what systems developers have in place, people will ALWAYS boost. That is what the Ban hammer is suppose to be for, USE IT. Give people the Ranks + give them the EXP Icon associated with that rank.
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I liked playlist ranks, they were a neat idea!
 
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heckfu

Banned
Nutter said:
Yes the credit system is lame and it doesnt really show the the persons skill, but lets not kid ourselves, most (90%) of HaloGAF would be forever stuck in the 35 to 45 range.
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Oh that's fine with me. At least I'd get consistently matched with people with a similar number rank than people with equal credit ranks.
 
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xxjuicesxx

Member
I like evade, makes for some high level fast gameplay.

Adapt. They only get two. So do you. If you get them one shot you and they evade away if you cant chase them with your evades correctly then you fail. You only have yourself to blame.
 
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Hypertrooper

Member
Homeboyd said:
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kittens

Unconfirmed Member
xxjuicesxx said:
I like evade, makes for some high level fast gameplay.

Adapt. They only get two. So do you. If you get them one shot you and they evade away if you cant chase them with your evades correctly then you fail. You only have yourself to blame.
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Just because there's a balanced counter move doesn't mean it's fun. Only time evade is fun is when I'm dodging vehicles.
 
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Hey You

Member
Hypertrooper said:
343's Playlist manager isn't known. I'd say that the Community Managers or other 343i employees reading forum posts. putting them on a list and discussing them at a MP meeting. That's the impression I got. But I'm talking BS again. So skip this post.
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Yeah, but it was nice to converse with the playlist managers. They (sometimes) explained their reasons for doing certain things,explained why they weren't going to do another,asked for suggestions and give us info on what they were planning.


With 343, we get info from the bulletin and the very rare blurb from that MM account.

Very little communication. I dunno if we should take this as a indication on how they will support their own games or just because this isn't their game.



Gabotron ES said:
I liked playlist ranks, they were a neat idea!
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Diddo. They were fun once I was ranked locked at 35.

xxjuicesxx said:
I like evade, makes for some high level fast gameplay.

Adapt. They only get two. So do you. If you get them one shot you and they evade away if you cant chase them with your evades correctly then you fail. You only have yourself to blame.
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Hire Juices!

Homeboyd said:
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Don't worry, I still love you brah.
 
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Steelyuhas

Member
If a player investment system is designed well, it feels rewarding and is fun to move up through the ranks. Reach's sucks though. The main cog of Reach's system is not how you play or how well you play, but just time played, which is the opposite of what it should be.
 
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kylej

Banned
HiredN00bs said:
So, I've been playing around with Custom Challenges and I've come across yet another economy-breaking element, perhaps even worse than the first one I came across (Custom Campaign Challenges + ONI Target Locator Checkpoint).

You can bypass the daily cR limit.

I created a new account to test these systems and had to laugh when I saw the progress bar move backwards after a game.
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xxjuicesxx

Member
Steelyuhas said:
If a player investment system is designed well, it feels rewarding and is fun to move up through the ranks. Reach's sucks though. The main cog of Reach's system is not how you play or how well you play, but just time played, which is the opposite of what it should be.
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No because Reachs rank system is the Bronze - Onyx stuff. Its investment system was the whole captain - Inheritor. Theres a total difference.

Heres the main reasons why they fail

Ranking
1.) Reach isn't an RTS and using a ladder system doesn't really work.
2.) Noone cared for the playlists thus instantly shattering anyrespect from achieving any of these ranks

Investment System
1.) Not everybody cares about Armor or Icons next to your name
2.) As soon as you hit halfway through full moon you can buy EVERY piece of armor so all those other credits just sit in your account never doing anything. This means Full moon should have been the last rank as you are already completely rewarded within the game meaning you have everything you can get. The rest are completely dependent on people just wanting to hit the highest exp rank and are basically pointless. If there was other stuff credits were used for that would be fine, like in CoD you can do wager matches and stuff like gun modifications/appearance changes.
 
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Slightly Live

Dirty tag dodger
Striker said:
Arena is fine if its implemented properly, and in more than one playlist.
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Armour Lock is fine if it's implemented properly, and in less than one playlist.
Evade is fine if it's implemented properly, and in less than one playlist.
Bloom is fine if it's implemented properly, and in less than one playlist.
The Banshee is fine if it's implemented properly, and in less than one playlist.
 
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