Well, when you say more detailed and intricate game worlds, are you also referencing its physical size? I personally dream of an open world Zelda game with the detail and scope similar to World of Warcraft (Oh so you want to get to the desert...yeah you don't just hope over to the next leading zone, you're gonna have to riiiiiiiide). Or do you just mean detail as in more vegetation, more intricate polygon models etc.
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Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Well, when you say more detailed and intricate game worlds, are you also referencing its physical size? I personally dream of an open world Zelda game with the detail and scope similar to World of Warcraft (Oh so you want to get to the desert...yeah you don't just hope over to the next leading zone, you're gonna have to riiiiiiiide). Or do you just mean detail as in more vegetation, more intricate polygon models etc.
This isn't quite right. A powerful CPU is needed for Dolphin for emulation of the GPU if I'm not mistaken. 2 GHz dual cores do adequately in some specific titles, indicating that the Wii CPU really isn't the bottleneck. It's a moot point because indeed a POWER7 related chip can of course do quite a good job to emulate the Wii CPU. The problem really lies with the GPU.
It is also not true that OpenGL is the end-all way to program the graphics chip in the Wii. There are a lot of things developers can do manually, and Factor 5 has done so on the GameCube many times at least (these games aren't even close to working on Dolphin). I was under the impression that XNA offers less opportunity to do so.
I like that number.
Me too. If we can get Zelda and/or Garden demo quality smoothly in a real game setting I will be satisfied.
Hehe, and we'll manage to make 200 pages of thread from it.
Seriously, when I saw it first mentioned (on Kotaku no less), I was ready to start laughing thinking someone was trying to get banned. When it was confirmed, I was in the strangest place, somewhere between "wat.son" and "everything went better than expected".
Hmmm, maybe, but a huge thing for Nintendo is this is the very first time (outside of a few Dolphin "geeks") that their games are going to be shown in HD. That's a MASSIVE selling point for them, giving the amount their 1st parties sell
EatChildren
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A little of both really. Even larger draw distances and 'bigger' worlds with, hopefully, optimised data streaming. I'd love to be able to move into towns and dungeons and all around the world without the game ever making it obvious it was loading new assets (Dark Souls does this quite well).
But also richly detailed areas in terms of more assets, detailed physics, and other little details Nintendo is known for. Skyward Sword, I felt, was surprisingly detailed when it wanted to be. I especially liked the little birds and creatures roaming about, sun shafts in the right areas, creeping vines, etc. With extra hardware power Nintendo can take that to another level.
I don't really dream of open world Zelda so much as detailed Zelda. I'm quite happy for Zelda to structurally remain quite similar to what it is now, though with better performance, seamless loading, and more detailed areas.
What kind of artstyle does your heart desire?
Maybe they will at least add the ability to turn on some AA?
Likewise. I don't know the BluRay spec but maybe it allows for faster data access over DVD; something Nintendo loves? I could see that being a driving force for using it.
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I'd be happy with either Wind Waker or Skyward Sword. The former could make a comeback, and the extra geometric detail could make for some richly detailed environments that make a 720/1080p Wind Waker look even better. But Skyward Sword's would also be welcome. Skyward Sword is gorgeous, but I also think its a prime candidate for art and presentation that would really benefit from stronger hardware, so I'd like to see it taken out for another spin.
Otherwise something different, though along the lines of Wind Waker / Skyward Sword would be good. I welcome colourful, quirky Zelda with open arms.
But I honestly wouldn't be disappointed with a Twilight Princess style Zelda again either. I still think that game looks great, largely due to the excellent art direction, and much like the above that art could really come into it's own on the Wii U. Looking like that tech demo would make me very happy.
Or Nintendo would be mad cunts and with a nice ink line edge detection effect, solid colour shading, and gorgeous art give us something like this in motion;
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blu
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One cannot tell whether the bird demo can or cannot be run on ps360 just by looking at youtube footage. Chances are the exact same code and assets cannot be run, but in the graphics world where everything is smoke and mirrors (until pathtracers become the norm, anyway) you can approximate quite a lot on quite weaker hw. What we can safely claim, though, is that the bird demo looks easily in the top 10 percentile of photo-realistic ps360 content. And it's a goddamned pre-launch demo. So you can draw your own conclusions.
Damn that game looks nice.
I've always wanted a more "realistic style". But not MW3 or BF3 realistic, more like dark crystal/time burton reality with a twist. Just look at the trailer, doesn't it just scream Zelda?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzgVPB5dpgg
They reconfirmed it on CES that it won't render it in higher res.
The best we can hope for are re-releases.
True. HD re-makes. And not stupid ones like Halo Xbox to Xbox 360, we're talking about 2 generations worth of advancement, not just a single one
Actually on the X360, emulating the GPU was just as much of an issue as the CPU. Because the Xbox's GPU was an nVidia design and the 360's is an ATI design, there were certain proprietary hardware features of the NV2A that then Xenos could not have due to licencing issues.
You could say the X360's biggest issue was that Microsoft completely swapped vendors, leading to compatibility issues all round.
Oh not this shit again. Boring, lazily inked art is boring and lazily inked. Why everyone keeps fixating on it is completely beyond me.
Well you have this in ps3 at launch as a "tech demo" too
You can see the video too, impressive, real time (if we believe S-E) etc, etc Blow up all the things watched in ps360 too.
See my point?
Tech demos (in my opinion) are pointless (most of the time). Only beauty images or videos (and the bird demo is not perfect at all, with jaggies and framerate drops).
Well I repeat that is only my opinion of course.
Not trolling here, but even if Nintendo could upscale Wii games they wouldn't because it would eat into their ability to sell HD remasters.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I cannot grok why people like this art style and think it would be good in a game. People also post the pictures of Link holding a lantern with an utterly laughable outfit and I just don't understand. I really don't. I like the Wind Waker art style, I like the Skyward Sword art Style, I like the realistic art style, but that looks garbage.
Lord Ghirahim
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Terada's art is amazing.
Man looking up more of his work on Google...man sweet stuff.
No it's not, it's generic as fuck. The cheap and dirty inking style would also look nasty as fuck in 3D and be absolutely horrendous for playability.
I've kept quiet the 500 million times this shit has been brought up because I believe everyone is entitled to their personal tastes and opinions but this fixation GAF has on it is just getting out of hand.
blu
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Leaving graphics technicalities aside (as I do think the bird demo demonstrates more advanced things than the FFVII demo), yes, I see your point. That's why my original post (the one Thraktor replied to) was saying 'If nintendo manage to deliver content on par with their E3 tech demos'. Now, nintendo's track record in this regard is that they're yet to demo something pre-launch which does not get outdone later on during the gen.
Something fresh for Zelda would be nice, but I'm open.
An evolution of Skyward Sword could work, but it'd be nice to see new character designs (especially for Link).
I just want the world to feel more seamless this time around, which is something that ruined Twilight Princess for me.
It constantly loaded when entering into new areas, and it took away from the experience.
I just wish the characters lacked the outlines, since I think it would've looked better without.
An evolution of Skyward Sword could work, but it'd be nice to see new character designs (especially for Link).
I just want the world to feel more seamless this time around, which is something that ruined Twilight Princess for me.
It constantly loaded when entering into new areas, and it took away from the experience.
Great game.
I just wish the characters lacked the outlines, since I think it would've looked better without.
So everyone else has the bad taste I take it?
Nah I don't care for it much either. Both Link and Ganon are purple. What wit dat?
So everyone else has the bad taste I take it?
No, but I'm just getting sick of seeing the same damn art over and over.
Professional comic inkers have short deadlines and don't get paid all that much. They take short cuts to even things out.
Ugh imo that looks terrible, i think something like SS's concept art would look much better
He's right about such an artstyle being a nightmare in 3D, and poorly suited for a videogame.So everyone else has the bad taste I take it?
I love it in illustrations, though.
Pff then you post some art! Goooooo!
I would buy a Zelda game with this art style. I do not believe many others would join me, though. Perhaps Nintendo could do a download-only, simplified, lower-budget release that went balls out on presenting something similar to the world we see in this painting.
Nintendo could go into development not expecting massive sales, while still focusing on delivering something the art appreciation-types would drool over on their cheese and wine evenings. Ten years from now it would hardly have aged and some people would still be raving about that magical Zelda that proved so unpopular with the masses, but one they'd love a sequel for or have the art style reused.
When I picture the game in 3D...I almost imagine Madworld, but with color. What say you then? What say the rest of you?
woo and indeed hoo
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This thread is really quite surreal without the omnipresence of BurntPork.
Do we know if it is a perma or temp ban?
Incidentally I accidentally Googled his username somehow and the second match was this:
http://wiki.joshuajamesslone.name/BurntPork
Heh.
Do we know if it is a perma or temp ban?
Incidentally I accidentally Googled his username somehow and the second match was this:
http://wiki.joshuajamesslone.name/BurntPork
Heh.
I suppose Zelda and Japan had to go their separate ways eventually, might as well do it quickly rather than draw it out.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Terada's art is amazingly something.
Nice outfit design there chief. I'm sure Phillips is wetting itself in anticipation of bringing your bold creative vision to life with the CD-i.
The Legend of Derpface: The Colour-Palette Thief.
I think my favorite part about this one is how when he was scribbling over it with the red marker (the only one he had on hand apparently), he accidentally got it on the top of link's head, his right shoulder and around the handle of the sword. I can definitely sympathize though, keeping inside the lines when you're colouring in can be hard. Also observe that Link is carrying around his sword by its blade.
Why is the Cyclops doing it's best DAT ASS while staring at link? Judging from the lack of feet and the ridiculously muscled monster, I'd say that Rob Liefeld did a guest-sketch for this panel. I love how on the columns, he got bored doing the pattern halfway down the page, so he stopped.
^ Oh come ON!
What the hell.
So something unappealing to your eyes = lazily done? It's "simplicity" could just as easily be on purpose, not simply because of time constraints. And there's nothing generic about it, it has a very whimsical feel to it that suits the Zelda series very well.
What the hell.
So something unappealing to your eyes = lazily done? It's "simplicity" could just as easily be on purpose, not simply because of time constraints. And there's nothing generic about it, it has a very whimsical feel to it that suits the Zelda series very well.
Terada's art is amazingly something.
Nice outfit design there chief. I'm sure Phillips is wetting itself in anticipation of bringing your bold creative vision to life with the CD-i.
The Legend of Derpface: The Colour-Palette Thief.
I think my favorite part about this one is how when he was scribbling over it with the red marker (the only one he had on hand apparently), he accidentally got it on the top of link's head, his right shoulder and around the handle of the sword. I can definitely sympathize though, keeping inside the lines when you're colouring in can be hard. Also observe that Link is carrying around his sword by its blade.
Why is the Cyclops doing it's best DAT ASS while staring at link? Judging from the lack of feet and the ridiculously muscled monster, I'd say that Rob Liefeld did a guest-sketch for this panel. I love how on the columns, he got bored doing the pattern halfway down the page, so he stopped.
You so crazy.
OK!
As you can see, this accommodates a redesign of Link with an authentic retro 80's stylization.
The game will ultimately be titled The Legend of Zelda: The Tad Polar Toady.
OK!
As you can see, this accommodates a redesign of Link with an authentic retro 80's stylization.
The game will ultimately be titled The Legend of Zelda: The Tad Polar Toady.
I was watching Overgrowth videos on Youtube and thought how fucking cool would it be to be a frog!
bgassassin
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Well it's not too had to believe since first some people are expecting a repeat of this gen which there are a lot of factors that would have to happen to repeat it. Of which some of those factors are included the following quote.
Just like a description I made on another forum. I said "they don't want to sell a $700 mini-bomb".
Speaking of tech demos, the terms "global illumination" and "radiosity" seem to be in (almost) constant companionship with the Zelda and Garden tech demos. Now, Shin Johnpv explained what radiosity is, and I think I understand it (though, I'm not sure I'd be able to identify it in either demos), but I still have no idea what global illumination is. So, could someone be so kind as to explain what it is (perhaps pointing it out in the demos using screenshots if that's possible)?
I also hear the term tessellation used a lot. Could someone explain that as well?
I also hear the term tessellation used a lot. Could someone explain that as well?
And I will say again that there were factors in the ps3 launch (the most obvious example because its 599$ pricetag) that increased the price that won't be in the next gen ... no super expensive blu-ray unit, no expensive "rare" tech like cell, etc. So in comparison you will have a powerful machine without those extras because now, both are cheap and the next gen won't bring a new disc format for example (blu-ray or propietary blue lens units will be the standard).
But we will see
bgassassin
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And I will say again that there were factors in the ps3 launch (the most obvious example because its 599$ pricetag) that increased the price that won't be in the next gen ... no super expensive blu-ray unit, no expensive "rare" tech like cell, etc. So in comparison you will have a powerful machine without those extras because now, both are cheap and the next gen won't bring a new disc format for example (blu-ray or propietary blue lens units will be the standard).
But we will see
Remove blu-ray and they "drop" to taking similar amounts of losses as MS.
And the cost I'm referring to takes into consideration things like some people expecting 4-8GB in a console even though current densities make that a big financial hurdle.
Doc Holliday
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You guys are nuts
this is the closest to moebius doing zelda art that we'll get. Also how can you call this generic then post a generic anime style link? Also the were done in the 80s somim sure many copied him not the other way around.PoP 2008. it hurts. so cool looking and I enjoyed the "game".
A nice in-between style for a japanese game that has to sell in the West
Link's Crossbow Training is already out.
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