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[Maedhros]

Well, how does it look on JP store today? Are all or most PSP games available on the Vita? This will probably answer our question of what Sony thinks of PSP game compatibility on the Vita.

Most, but not all. Compatibility will increase with time, Sony has already said.

 

[syoaran]

If people are receiving their US/EU/Canada Vita's, I'm hoping they can tell us how the mule-accounts work in reality. Still want a Japanese and a European PSN account to play games from both regions, interested to see how it works in practice.... or is that information already available now?

 

[nofi]

Quick look at the Vita's load times: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/02/09/ps-vitas-load-times-analysed/

All the games I have, might update with others as they come in.

 

[The Elite]

Quick look at the Vita's load times: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/02/09/ps-vitas-load-times-analysed/

All the games I have, might update with others as they come in.

None of those load times look acceptable IMO. I hope they start using cards with faster read/write times.

 

[Liamario]

Those load times are insane (and not in a good way). I wonder what's causing the massive wait?

 

[The Elite]

Those load times are insane (and not in a good way). I wonder what's causing the massive wait?

I don't think we can attribute all that to devs getting use to programming for the system. Someone needs to take a closer look at the cards themselves.

Edit: Uncharted actually seems inline with the console version.

Edit 2: Noticed you were running most of the games off memory cards which have slower read/write speeds. Would like to see this done with the game cards.

Edit 3: Also, did you test each game once after running them a previous time. Sometimes games force you to sit through the developer intros before going into a game the first time. Edit 4: Ok, noticed you said splash screens were skipped.

 

[Number45]

Everyone can make sandwiches much quicker than I can.

 

[Castor Krieg]

Any way for me to browse and manage PS Store for Vita from my PC? I understand Media Go will not work, is there some other application?

 

[DMeisterJ]

Everyone can make sandwiches much quicker than I can.

Seriously. Anytime I go to make a sandwich during intermission of BF3 or MW3, I always get booted from the game, and BF3 boots you after 300s of inactivity.

 

[Hunter-Zero]

See here. Many games are incompatible. Nobody is sure if the list will be updated before launch.

Oh boy, come on...90% of my downloadable psp games don´t work :/

For fucks sake, this is depressing.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Nintendo has their shit figured out, and some 3DS games are on cards up to 2GB. I wonder what the excuse is.

Edit 2: Noticed you were running most of the games off memory cards which have slower read/write speeds. Would like to see this done with the game cards.

What is the read/write speed for the vita memory cards exactly?

 

[Kafel]

We'll see what happens when WipEout gets patched.

 

[The Elite]

Nintendo has their shit figured out, and some 3DS games are on cards up to 2GB. I wonder what the excuse is.

Vita has 4 gig cards and is processing more intensive games. Also, these games were running off memory card which has a slower read/write than the game cards themselves.

 

[Fafalada]

Oh boy, come on...90% of my downloadable psp games don´t work :/

I've already played several of the "incompatible" PSP games from that list on my Vita(downloaded from a PSN store that doesn't even have Vita section open yet) - this is clearly content-access restrictions, nothing to do with compatibility.

 

[The Elite]

Nintendo has their shit figured out, and some 3DS games are on cards up to 2GB. I wonder what the excuse is.



What is the read/write speed for the vita memory cards exactly?

Not sure. I know comparisons have been done that suggest they are slower than the actual game cards though. I'd like to see someone find out more details.

 

[Eusis]

I've already played several of the "incompatible" PSP games from that list on my Vita(downloaded from a PSN store that doesn't even have Vita section open yet) - this is clearly content-access restrictions, nothing to do with compatibility.

It's why we'll probably see them come up in massive chunks, hammering out agreements that it's OK or just making absolutely sure they're not going to kill the system or something crazy. If it's the former though I imagine stuff like Brave Story and Irem games (even those still on the store outside of Japan) are screwed. And maybe some local ones from publishers who are on life support/are stupid.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Not sure. I know comparisons have been done that suggest they are slower than the actual game cards though. I'd like to see someone find out more details.

So in other words I'm going to toss a bill on a 32GB card today, and in a few months faster cards will come out that drastically improve load times.

 

[Eusis]

So in other words I'm going to toss a bill on a 32GB card today, and in a few months faster cards will come out that drastically improve load times.

Even if they don't make faster they'll likely make larger, in the form of 64 and 128 GB cards eventually, at least if they're reaching those sizes on Micro SD cards. It'd why I'd stick with an 8 GB or 16 GB for now.

 

[Tratorn]

I'm sure the psp-games are just not "unlocked" yet.

Many of them are playable on jpn-vitas.

The store is just not fully updated. Even the most vita-games aren't online (except of some 1st party games).

And:

More than 250 PSP titles (including minis) will be available at the launch of PS Vita, and hundreds of additional titles will be available post-launch.”

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/umd-passport-program-not-coming-to-north-america-updated/3970/

 

[Kuran]

If they'd have either a 'solid 30fps' or 'sometimes 60fps' patch to Ridge Racer, I'd buy it at full price.

Too bad they didn't try. I can't look at this game in motion, it makes me wretch. Even the scene before a race where the camera pans across the car is choppy..

Ridge Racers on PSP was the exact opposite. It was filled with content and had a solid framerate.

 

[The Elite]

So in other words I'm going to toss a bill on a 32GB card today, and in a few months faster cards will come out that drastically improve load times.

Don't know about faster but I'm holding out for larger capacity right now. Hopefully I'll get both.

 

[mrklaw]

I really hope thats just a temporary update thing. Surely they can't have to test every game and release them one by one?

The few games missing from the Japanese vita can mostly be explained away by them being removed from the store full stop, and the user can't re-download. There are tons more PSP games on the JPN PSN store than on the US one.

 

[The Elite]

I really hope thats just a temporary update thing. Surely they can't have to test every game and release them one by one?

The few games missing from the Japanese vita can mostly be explained away by them being removed from the store full stop, and the user can't re-download. There are tons more PSP games on the JPN PSN store than on the US one.

So Japan got nearly all their PSP games available but the US only got a small selection?

We also have to remember that the US Vita isn't out yet so more games could become available before launch.

 

[Salaadin]

The memory cards are slower than the game carts? Is it a drastic difference?

 

[UberTag]

See here. Many games are incompatible. Nobody is sure if the list will be updated before launch.

It should be noted that I didn't mention either Phantasy Star Portable game as those too have been outright nuked from the PSN Store marketplace and can't be downloaded to a PSP either at the moment.

 

[mrklaw]

So Japan got nearly all their PSP games available but the US only got a small selection?

We also have to remember that the US Vita isn't out yet so more games could become available before launch.

it has to just be a simple admin thing - the FEB isn't out for a week so they're probably just releasing them in blocks to spread the load on the publishing system or something. Maybe they need to go and get more bananas for the monkey?

 

[datamage]

Hmm, one of my biggest gripes with the PSP was its load times. These loads times on the Vita do not make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Is it fact that the actual game carts are faster than the memory cards? Or just hearsay? And even if they are faster, I doubt it would be a significant difference.

 

[dark10x]

Nintendo has their shit figured out, and some 3DS games are on cards up to 2GB. I wonder what the excuse is.

What is the read/write speed for the vita memory cards exactly?

There are plenty of load times present in various 3DS games already and even those that attempt to hide it don't exactly do it well (RE:Revelations, for instance, has pretty severe issues when loading some areas).

That said, the Vita appears slower simply due to the amount of memory they have to fill. The 3DS only has 128mb of memory, if I recall, while the Vita has 512mb of system memory and 128mb of vram (more than PS3 even). It simply requires more time to load data from card into ram when there is more ram to fill. Developers will have to start finding ways to solve this issue.

The memory cards are slower than the game carts? Is it a drastic difference?

I'm actually quite curious about this. Has anyone compared the speed of memory card loading to game card loading?

 

[true Gek]

See here. Many games are incompatible. Nobody is sure if the list will be updated before launch.

But I see screens of PSP version of MGS Peace Walker running on PSVita o_o How it is possible?

 

[The Elite]

Hmm, one of my biggest gripes with the PSP was its load times. These loads times on the Vita do not make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Is it fact that the actual game carts are faster than the memory cards? Or just hearsay? And even if they are faster, I doubt it would be a significant difference.

I'm loving the look of the Vita but the load times are killing my buzz a bit. I was hyped for everything running off cards because I assumed that would cut down on the load times.

 

[UberTag]

Hmm, one of my biggest gripes with the PSP was its load times. These loads times on the Vita do not make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Is it fact that the actual game carts are faster than the memory cards? Or just hearsay? And even if they are faster, I doubt it would be a significant difference.

It's a fact... not just hearsay. Plenty of comparison vids already up on YouTube demonstrating faster loading from carts vs. digitally stored games on the memory card.

Some variances are minor (i.e. half a second per load or so). Others are more significant (3-4 seconds per load quicker, etc.)

But I see screens of PSP version of MGS Peace Walker running on PSVita o_o How it is possible?

Peace Walker is up and working fine on the Japanese store.
As for why none of the Metal Gear titles aren't up on the US Store as of right now? Well, we don't have a clear answer on that.
But they can't be downloaded from Download History if you've purchased it digitally previously or transferred from a PS3, either.
Yay for region restrictions. Hopefully this will be fixed before the 22nd.

 

[dark10x]

I'm loving the look of the Vita but the load times are killing my buzz a bit. I was hyped for everything running off cards because I assumed that would cut down on the load times.

Just imagine how long it would have taken to load games from UMD.

 

[thaOwner]

I was really looking forward to playing through Peace Walker again. Bloody hell.

Picking one up for my brother sometime this year for his Christmas gift/Birthday present. I had planned on picking one up myself but wont until Metal Gear Ac!d and peace walker are playable on this thing.

 

[GopherD]

It should be noted that I didn't mention either Phantasy Star Portable game as those too have been outright nuked from the PSN Store marketplace and can't be downloaded to a PSP either at the moment.

PSP2 is still on the EU store.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Looks like the 8GB memory card is actually reasonably priced, and I have a gift card that would cover the price of one. I guess I'll just get that and just wait and see for the inevitable better future of these memory cards.

I'm thinking I'll pick up Uncharted today.

 

[Diablohead]

hang on so if I was to own wipeout on my memory card instead of the retail cartridge, it will be slower loading? or is the read/write for the memory cards just as good as a cartridge for vita?

*edit*

It's a fact... not just hearsay. Plenty of comparison vids already up on YouTube demonstrating faster loading from carts vs. digitally stored games on the memory card.

Some variances are minor (i.e. half a second per load or so). Others are more significant (3-4 seconds per load quicker, etc.)


Peace Walker is up and working fine on the Japanese store.
As for why none of the Metal Gear titles aren't up on the US Store as of right now? Well, we don't have a clear answer on that.
But they can't be downloaded from Download History if you've purchased it digitally previously or transferred from a PS3, either.
Yay for region restrictions. Hopefully this will be fixed before the 22nd.

Ah.

 

[dyergram]

Any word on when GAME uk get accessories in stock I've got some vouchers I may use for a case or memory card if they come out before the 22nd...

 

[UberTag]

PSP2 is still on the EU store.

Yeah, the EU store will obviously have a different list of compatible & non-compatible titles. The provided lists are only pertinent to the North American store.

Picking one up for my brother sometime this year for his Christmas gift/Birthday present. I had planned on picking one up myself but wont until Metal Gear Ac!d and peace walker are playable on this thing.

I wouldn't be holding out hope for the Ac!d games. They've never been available digitally through PSN.

With the 'incompatible' PSP games, could you not just download it on PS3 and copy it over?

Folks that have tried this out on import Vitas say it's a no-go. Not sure if anyone has tried this out on a North American Vita just yet. Those may have better success.
Maybe they'll even see more titles on the Vita store and this is all just an issue of what's visible to import systems. Who can say?

 

[Ran rp]

If they'd have either a 'solid 30fps' or 'sometimes 60fps' patch to Ridge Racer, I'd buy it at full price.

Too bad they didn't try. I can't look at this game in motion, it makes me wretch. Even the scene before a race where the camera pans across the car is choppy..

Ridge Racers on PSP was the exact opposite. It was filled with content and had a solid framerate.

Would you recommend downloading Ridge Racers over picking up the new Ridge Racer?

 

[Zoibie]

With the 'incompatible' PSP games, could you not just download it on PS3 and copy it over?

 

[dark10x]

hang on so if I was to own wipeout on my memory card instead of the retail cartridge, it will be slower loading? or is the read/write for the memory cards just as good as a cartridge for vita?

Based on some videos I just dug up it seems that the actual game cards are indeed faster than using a memory card.

Here's one example I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cKQ3AnXZVT4

Every example seems to suggest that games load between 1-5 seconds faster from the game card.

 

[Salaadin]

Based on some videos I just dug up it seems that the actual game cards are indeed faster than using a memory card.

Here's one example I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cKQ3AnXZVT4

Every example seems to suggest that games load between 1-5 seconds faster from the game card.

Damnit. This is seriously making me second guess my 32GB card purchase. Maybe I can get by with a 16GB and just download PSN titles to it.

 

[Callibretto]

Any way for me to browse and manage PS Store for Vita from my PC? I understand Media Go will not work, is there some other application?

No, you manage everything from your Vita screen, either with PS3 or PC, that's the way it works now. you can't even buy and download games from PC because there's no software for it. maybe in the future SOny will make a dedicated software like Media Go. they have to know that it's kinda crazy that people need to use either Vita or PS3 to buy digital games, and you can't even have background download while playing another game if you download stuff on Vita. the network function is disabled during games playing.

The memory cards are slower than the game carts? Is it a drastic difference?

I think I read someone said about 1 or 2 seconds difference

If people are receiving their US/EU/Canada Vita's, I'm hoping they can tell us how the mule-accounts work in reality. Still want a Japanese and a European PSN account to play games from both regions, interested to see how it works in practice.... or is that information already available now?

go to setting >system>system restore

then it will ask if you want to format memory card, you don't need to format it at all. after a very quick restore, Vita restart itself and you have to enter language, date, wifi info and psn account. after that's done, the intro video will be played, can't be skipped so you have to let it run for a few minutes, then you go to your Vita main screen. any content on your memory card like games will be displayed, even games that are registered to different account is displayed, you just can't play them.

it's very simple and quick other than that unskippable intro video.

 

[Diablohead]

Based on some videos I just dug up it seems that the actual game cards are indeed faster than using a memory card.

Here's one example I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cKQ3AnXZVT4

Every example seems to suggest that games load between 1-5 seconds faster from the game card.

This kind of kills my mood on buying a large memory card and going full digital, nice one sony :/

 

[Castor Krieg]

go to setting >system>system restore

then it will ask if you want to format memory card, you don't need to format it at all. after a very quick restore, Vita restart itself and you have to enter language, date, wifi info and psn account. after that's done, the intro video will be played, can't be skipped so you have to let it run for a few minutes, then you go to your Vita main screen. any content on your memory card like games will be displayed, even games that are registered to different account is displayed, you just can't play them.

it's very simple and quick other than that unskippable intro video.

Not really worth it, as you need to change your PSN account for this to work, correct? So all your Trophies and Friends list will be gone and replaced by another account.

 

[dark10x]

This kind of kills my mood on buying a large memory card and going full digital, nice one sony :/

The difference is rather small, it seems, but I'm curious if the memory cards are actually slower or if it is a byproduct of downloading and installing the files to a multipurpose card? A game card is always going to be perfectly setup for that single game. Perhaps that's enough to make a difference?

 

[Bradach]

go to setting >system>system restore

then it will ask if you want to format memory card, you don't need to format it at all. after a very quick restore, Vita restart itself and you have to enter language, date, wifi info and psn account. after that's done, the intro video will be played, can't be skipped so you have to let it run for a few minutes, then you go to your Vita main screen. any content on your memory card like games will be displayed, even games that are registered to different account is displayed, you just can't play them.

it's very simple and quick other than that unskippable intro video.

That actually doesnt sound like the headache i thought it would've been. doesn't seem all that much worse than changing accounts with PSP

 

[nhaydon]

With the 'incompatible' PSP games, could you not just download it on PS3 and copy it over?

The vita wont "see" it. I have tried this with LBP for PSP and content manager doesnt recognize it.

 

[The Elite]

No, you manage everything from your Vita screen, either with PS3 or PC, that's the way it works now. you can't even buy and download games from PC because there's no software for it. maybe in the future SOny will make a dedicated software like Media Go. they have to know that it's kinda crazy that people need to use either Vita or PS3 to buy digital games, and you can't even have background download while playing another game if you download stuff on Vita. the network function is disabled during games playing.


I think I read someone said about 1 or 2 seconds difference


go to setting >system>system restore

then it will ask if you want to format memory card, you don't need to format it at all. after a very quick restore, Vita restart itself and you have to enter language, date, wifi info and psn account. after that's done, the intro video will be played, can't be skipped so you have to let it run for a few minutes, then you go to your Vita main screen. any content on your memory card like games will be displayed, even games that are registered to different account is displayed, you just can't play them.

it's very simple and quick other than that unskippable intro video.

But when switching back and forth between profiles, are you system settings restored? I know I'll want to turn off menu sound on my primary profile. If I switch to my JPN account and then switch back, will I have to redo all my settings again?

 

[Takamura-San]

Since i bought a 32g I'm strongly considering selling my carts and going full digital.

Having bought 3 carts so far, it shouldn't be hard.

Also it would be interesting if Sony started selling game codes to retailers like amazon and others and have competitive prices for digital.

Wasn't amazon selling XBLA games for a while?

But when switching back and forth between profiles, are you system settings restored? I know I'll want to turn off menu sound on my primary profile. If I switch to my JPN account and then switch back, will I have to redo all my settings again?

Yes.