It's a tricky thing to compare anything to the success of Apple products. And, to be fair, Apple always outputs hardware that's technically impressive, even if they sometimes omit certain features (multitasking, NFC). You'd never see Apple do something akin to taking their latest software and slapping it on old Blackberry Curve hardware...which is kinda what Nintendo would be doing if the Wii U really is just a repackaged 360.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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It's a tricky thing to compare anything to the success of Apple products. And, to be fair, Apple always outputs hardware that's technically impressive, even if they sometimes omit certain features (multitasking, NFC). You'd never see Apple do something akin to taking their latest software and slapping it on old Blackberry Curve hardware...which is kinda what Nintendo would be doing if the Wii U really is just a repackaged 360.
Just read the entire Arkam debacle, plenty of people "in the know" have mentioned that it wasn't going to be significantly more powerful, and you know this as well.
I am merely observing how you are stating things as absolute fact, when they clearly are still speculation at this point, it tends to confuse people.
AceBandage
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One GAFer has said below. And he doesn't even work with the system.
The others have said above.
What people in the know? A guy that hasn't even touched the thing? Or the people that have?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's supposed to - that's higher-plane-of-existence tech.
Wait, what?
Cheesecakebobby
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The Wii was basically a reconstituted Gamecube, cost $250 and was far from DOA. But then the tablet controller isn't quite as unique/ as much of a literal gamechanger. Arguably.
Back from Mardi Gras - I have the day off from my job doing 3D data production and manipulation
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Better yet, the Krewe of Rex had a float the reminded me of one of the temples in Skyward Sword. Very Mayan-flavored.
Thread still seems popular. Lots of people seem interested in whether Nintendo will sink or soar.
I also think that Nintendo's competitors will give them cover if they decide to go closer to 2x 360 instead of 5x. There's lots of suspicion that MS and Sony will go with a more modest rise in processing power this time around, just out of financial sense. If this ends-up true, you're going to be less likely end-up with a "Car Vault vs. Oblivion" screenshot scenario once again.
(again.. see how true vaguery can be fun?)
Better yet, the Krewe of Rex had a float the reminded me of one of the temples in Skyward Sword. Very Mayan-flavored.
Thread still seems popular. Lots of people seem interested in whether Nintendo will sink or soar.
I also think that Nintendo's competitors will give them cover if they decide to go closer to 2x 360 instead of 5x. There's lots of suspicion that MS and Sony will go with a more modest rise in processing power this time around, just out of financial sense. If this ends-up true, you're going to be less likely end-up with a "Car Vault vs. Oblivion" screenshot scenario once again.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
cyberheater
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I personally believe that the final version is going to be slightly more powerful then PS360 when it launches. It will be down to the devs to make it shine though.
Slightly below? Jesus we need this thing to launch already.
Fourth Storm
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It will come down to how the tablet is utilized by devs, of course. Combined with the HD display, the subscreen offers everything the DS did and then some as far as gameplay possibilities go. Those other tablets also don't have the advantage of a Nintendo leading the way in creating unique experiences. All it takes is one software title on the level of Wii Sports to make everyone a believer. Iwata has stated in the past that they are constantly on the lookout for the next "big hit," ala Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Brain Age.
Also, do not underestimate the feature of freeing console gaming from the television set. Being able to seamlessly switch from tv to game has the potential to be a huge hit with families, couples, and even frat houses. One of the biggest hurdles for console gaming is the time it takes to get something started. The fact that you don't even need a tv to start up a game or check the network is a huge step forward.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It also introduced motion controls to the gaming world.
The tablet has been out for years. I think people will like it but it won't have anywhere near the success of the Wii. I predict another Gamecube situation.
Also, NO WAY will 3rd parties get on board if it's not much more powerful than the 360.
AceBandage
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All aboard the hype train!
It's still all just speculation at this point, let's not act like it isn't.
That's all what i'm saying here, I have no horse in either race.
AceBandage
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In science, when we take data we discard outliers.
Right now, Arkam's statements of it being below the 360 is an outlier.
I'll Reggify mine tomorrow!
Yeah, Nintendo released motion controls and has been out for years. I don't think the Kinect will have anywhere near the success...oh wait.
IceDoesntHelp
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Even if it were more powerful, I'm still skeptical.
Third parties, particularly western ones, seem to be the Lucy to Nintendo's Charlie Brown. One flimsy excuse, another flimsy excuse, another excuse.. pull the ball.
If MS and Sony don't go with a pad, there ya go..
Convenient Excuse #4: We Didn't Know What to Do With the uPad
And I know.. the launch lineup - heavily supported with ports from PS360 - may be impressive, but what happens after that wad is shot?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Not even close to the same thing.
1) No controller--totally different way to play
2) HD graphics
At that point, the only thing the Wii U would have going for it is the ability to play with the TV off. I think that will be a great feature but not a huge system-seller.
ClovingWestbrook
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LOL. Sorry brah but you're wrong. Many who have seen the devkits have stated its more powerful than whats currently available.
Looking at it a different way, Apple builds a system apt to the functionality they want to develop, and it often works very well. The original few generations of iPod, for example.
Nintendo has successfully employed the same strategy for many years now.
Outside of the Wii we have seen Nintendo has lost ground every single console Generation. Its always because they make some pretty questionable decisions too.
And yet the Wii and DS were the two systems in which their 'just make it technologically as good as we need it, and bring the fun in other ways' philosophy was followed most closely.
So why would they change path?
It's not that everyone has to like it, it's just that it's not *wrong* for them to follow the Wii U plan that they are talking about.
And they *are* talking about their defining concepts for Wii U. And none of them are *amazing GPU*:
Iwata said:
Miyamoto said:
Iwata said:
When evaluating new Nintendo hardware, thinking about the tech specs is missing the point. Assuming it will be bleeding edge tech is, on recent-past form, just peculiar.
Fourth Storm
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Those were the Yamauchi years...
People are all over touch gaming, it will be a massive system seller at the right price and with the right software. The 3DS is lighting it up now (now that they've corrected the price).
This isn't about it being below the 360, read my posts. I said low estimates put it "on par" with the current HD consoles, that's all.
And with other developers being disappointed, or even outright saying the system isn't all that powerful, i'd say my statement isn't far off.
ShockingAlberto
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It's also because a major competitor gets their footing or enters the fray in that generation.
Nintendo has a fantastic strategy when it comes to handhelds. The DS was the same strategy they have always used as is the 3DS when it comes to power and potential.
Its the console market they flail around in.
I agree with this, but I don't think Nintendo games are the problem. As someone stated a page ago, Nintendo making great games for their hardware has never been the issue. Wii U could end up being a Wii and a Gamecube duct taped together, and Nintendo would still make impressive games for it.
The issue for a lot of people going forward is 3rd party support. The Wii demonstrated that it doesn't matter how much your console sells, and it doesn't matter how good the 1st party games are; if you stray too far outside of what the rest of the industry is doing, you won't get the support. I'm personally anxious to see how Nintendo is going to address that, because after this gen, no one developer's games are enough to make go in on a console at launch. 3rd Party support is going to be a big deal for me, and for a lot of people.
I hesitate to count this as a game-changing feature because it won't be viable for all (or even most) Wii U games. For example, any game that makes even minor use of the tablet controller as a secondary screen will not be able to also use the controller to function as the main screen at the same time. Sure, they could code the game to play differently if the upad is being used as the primary screen, but then you get into the issue of Nintendo expecting devs to do too much extra to support their hardware.
AceBandage
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Some devs will be disappointed if it doesn't have a billion gigs of RAM and a thousand TFLOPs...
That poses its own problem. As tablet ownership continues to grow why are people gonna need or use a Wii U tablet when they have much nicer tablets already for the off the TV streaming etc. They will have the advantage of streaming Nintendo games but heck these days most tablets can stream games off PCs etc now.
It will allow you to keep interacting with your Wii U, at *all* times. Sure, you won't be able to play every game but you'll be able to get messages, invites, browse stuff, play the virtual console, and play some big games.
It is important to keep the player's relationship with the system active. And it is a big step up from what we've had with games machines in the past in this regard.
Don't be absurd man, Crytec is only asking for 8 GB.
Every other tablet or smartphone or laptop on the market already does this. I don't see how it's a selling point.
As I said, it'll be difficult to define it as something worth having. But you appear to presume they can't, possibly based upon your estimations and of things you have already seen, but not based upon what has inspired a very large corporation to make a new device with a second screen as its major differentiator. Nintendo may well be wrong, but it would certainly be very odd for them to be investing so heavily if they didn't think it was worth it.
You need only look at Wii for an example of similar.
IceDoesntHelp
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Lol, is there even a game that recommends or requires at least 8GBs of RAM for it to run?
Why is it that some of you are a bit insecure about the Wii U's strength. We know it will not be as strong as the Xbox720 or PS4 but we also know for a fact that the 2nd dev kits were at a minimum as strong as the Xbox360 and Ps3. All this talk of the Wii U being at best as strong as Xbox360 is flat out wrong.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-19-wii-u-has-plenty-of-horsepower-dev
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-19-wii-u-has-plenty-of-horsepower-dev
Hero of Legend
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You're absolutely right! DS and Wii are the first handheld and console platforms respectively to launch after Iwata took over, and DAMN did he do what Yamauchi couldn't, I mean would Nintendo, or anyone have predicted the success of these two platforms? Iwata certainly did the right thing at the right time, and more than worthy of his position.
Forsaken82
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Thats the important part isn't it? Out of all the "verified" posters, how many of them have actually worked on a built from the ground up Wii U Title? How many have merely worked with the Wii U hardware (making a port of a current gen title) to make an accurate comparison to the Ps3/360? And how many have simply heard from a loose lipped coworker?
Me personally, I won't believe any of these rumors until I hear from someone who has actually worked directly with the hardware (in other words, questions 1 or 2 is good enough for me, 3 takes a bit more for me to accept)
That's awesome. Don't get me wrong, I see great gameplay potential in a tablet controller. I've never tried to argue otherwise. That's one of the main reasons I'm excited for Wii U.
I just don't see the tablet controller being the big, "Whoa! I've never seen anything like that before!" draw with casuals that the wiimote and Kinect are. So I hope Nintendo's not putting all of their eggs into that one basket.
Dude. Thats borderline creepy. As stated before, this is the first NG console thats slowly taking form. Obviously alot of people want to keep tabs, it isnt any different when x360 and ps4 roll out. And to be honest, for every person that sticks for the fun of speculation, another person sticks for meltdowns and drama.
Why were you even bringing up the Netflix example in the first place? I don't see the ladies flocking to the PS Vita when it's supposed to be capable of playing Netflix as well, and on a better screen to boot.
brochiller
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What? Where did you find this?
AceBandage
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I really doubt they'll be able to say if it's for Wii U or not in Nintendo Power.
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