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[Beth Cyra]

Maybe, but when most people consider the stuff that went on tonight mostly negative, you don't just come and say in a public forum that the thing in question was "marketing gold".

Even if you secretly love what happened despite the cost to the people involved, saying it in a public forum is another thing entirely.

There is no damn reason to hide it either.

A third of the community doesn't give a shit, and the other part is split between defending Aris and saying Miranda should have been clear instead of playing it off.

Aris has even come out and said the shit wasn't right and he apologized. No one died so no need to hide that they could use this for marketing.

 

[Chavelo]

whats going on guys? still at capcom hq. whats poppin

ART! ARE YOU OKAY? DID THE CAPCOPS HURT YOU? TYPE "eSports" IF YOU'RE FINE. OR TYPE "AAAaaaaaAAaaaaAhhhhhhh!" IF YOU NEED HELP.

 

[BaroqueSampson]

ART! ARE YOU OKAY? DID THE CAPCOPS HURT YOU? TYPE "eSports" IF YOU'RE FINE. OR TYPE "AAAaaaaaAAaaaaAhhhhhhh!" IF YOU NEED HELP.

oh god I'm dying

 

[Infinite Justice]

ART! ARE YOU OKAY? DID THE CAPCOPS HURT YOU? TYPE "eSports" IF YOU'RE FINE. OR TYPE "AAAaaaaaAAaaaaAhhhhhhh!" IF YOU NEED HELP.

what if he writes both?

 

[Edgeward]

Is that haunts on the right?

Not Haunts.

 

[Beth Cyra]

whats going on guys? still at capcom hq. whats poppin

Give Tasty some love with what happened, dude is cool and a great listen so hope he pulls through okay.

 

[QisTopTier]

Give Tasty some love with what happened, dude is cool and a great listen so hope he pulls through okay.

This x100 It's going to be harsh seeing such an energetic dude being down. Hope he can pull through fine.

 

[jbug617]

This is crazy, Final Round is this weekend and all the drama is going down. Art VS all the top players, everyone salty at the Cross Assault finals, and you know there are other games there such as UMvC3 and AE 2012.

 

[Wallach]

/seriouspost
its also possible that she really wasnt bothered by it personally, but when presented in a public space as a recognizable tv show person, she could have felt pressure to set an good image. Even though that sounds negative in some ways I'm not trying to come off like an asshole at all.

Personally I think the opposite probably happened. That this bothered her from the outset, but the immense pressure to just "deal with it" as prescribed by pretty much everyone in the community caused her to try and downplay it at first to put on the FGC face. Combine that with what was clearly already very high stress levels - I think literally every person they have ever interviewed for this show has said as much - and she eventually cracked in the end and was desperate to get out of the situation. I mean think about it, even Sp00ky a couple days ago was saying shit was so stressed he was super depressed; Arturo said it sounded like he was tempted to just drop the streaming shit altogether. That situation is fucked for everyone, but imagine dealing with that level of stress on top of this shit coming from Aris.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

What human "cost" is there really? The most that happened is people got offended.

I don't consider getting offended and feeling like you were harassed is remotely the same thing.

When people go through stuff like that it takes a toll on them. If that's not a human cost I don't know what is.

Girl leaves because she thought she was getting harassed? Marketing gold.

 

[Stabby McSter]

CAPCOPS GOT ART

 

[Lost Fragment]

I don't consider getting offended and feeling like you were harassed is remotely the same thing.

When people go through stuff like that it takes a toll on them. If that's not a human cost I don't know what is.

Girl leaves because she thought she was getting harassed? Marketing gold.

It's petty drama. Petty drama is what reality shows are all about.

 

[CountAntonius]

Btw, I don't think Aris is a bad person. I think the combination of

- a certain part of his character (trying to entertain people/maybe being used to making sexist jokes)
- being on a reality show
- being accustomed to the ruff tone in the FGC
- and the neverending troll-demands of the streaming monsters

have led to this "harrasment" thing.

Miranda on the other hand couldn't (we all have weaknisses) stand up to him, telling him to stop in a way he could understand.

I hope it's gonna be a good experience for both as well as the (future) FGC in general. I think all the fun and hype within the FGC can very well coexist with a certain degree of respect towards women, races as well as sexual preferences.

That's all I have to say.

Good level headed post. I hope everyone can learn from this as well. There is such a thing as crossing the line(pun intended).

 

[Beth Cyra]

I don't consider getting offended and feeling like you were harassed is remotely the same thing.

When people go through stuff like that it takes a toll on them. If that's not a human cost I don't know what is.

Girl leaves because she thought she was getting harassed? Marketing gold.

It likely is marketing gold.

That maybe harsh, and it sucks what she went through no doubt. THing is she should've made it clear, and if there is one thing that was proven with all the calls is when Sherry and Star called Aris on it, he owns up to it just as he says he did with Super.

If this had happened the first day and she said something instead of acting like it was cool it would have never gotten to this point.

 

[d0c_zaius]

Personally I think the opposite probably happened. That this bothered her from the outset, but the immense pressure to just "deal with it" as prescribed by pretty much everyone in the community caused her to try and downplay it at first to put on the FGC face. Combine that with what was clearly already very high stress levels - I think literally every person they have ever interviewed for this show has said as much - and she eventually cracked in the end and was desperate to get out of the situation. I mean think about it, even Sp00ky a couple days ago was saying shit was so stressed he was super depressed; Arturo said it sounded like he was tempted to just drop the streaming shit altogether. That situation is fucked for everyone, but imagine dealing with that level of stress on top of this shit coming from Aris.

Thats definitely possible too. Back before the SRK bleaching, shit was much worse there too. Just image wars over repping peoples posts.

It definitely discourages people in a number of ways. Hopefully this will produce something good, a clear acceptable standard for broadcasting I guess.

CROSS ASSAULT

 

[Konosuke]

Can someone post Tasty Steve's twitter?

 

[CountAntonius]

When you start saying what she should have done you are already going in the wrong direction. Aris was in the wrong he even admitted it. Things could have been handled better on both sides but the focus shouldn't be about what she did wrong at all.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

It's petty drama. Petty drama is what reality shows are all about.

This girl appeared to basically have a breakdown over twitter this afternoon. I guarantee you it doesn't feel petty to her.

Or, what do you think that feeling sexual harassed isn't a big deal?

 

[Beth Cyra]

When you start saying what she should have done you are already going in the wrong direction. Aris was in the wrong he even admired it. Things could have been handled better on both sides but the focus shouldn't be about what she did wrong at all.

I disagree, Aris was wrong and he owns up to it.

It doesn't change that each person is different, and if you are going to activily encourage something if you don't like it then you have every reason to have it bite you in the ass.

 

[gutabo]

Damn, I've lost the last two days, anyone can please tell me wth is going on? Thanks in advance!

 

[PsychoSoldier]

It likely is marketing gold.

That maybe harsh, and it sucks what she went through no doubt. THing is she should've made it clear, and if there is one thing that was proven with all the calls is when Sherry and Star called Aris on it, he owns up to it just as he says he did with Super.

If this had happened the first day and she said something instead of acting like it was cool it would have never gotten to this point.

I hate to keep posting this but

https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174071210064347136

She did talk to him about it. Clearly he didn't get the message.

 

[Conceited]

Can someone post Tasty Steve's twitter?

http://twitter.com/digitaldevil4gk

 

[d0c_zaius]

damn my link died, nevermind

 

[jbug617]

I didn't watch much today but have the viewer count increase?

 

[Beth Cyra]

I hate to keep posting this but

https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174071210064347136

She did talk to him about it. Clearly he didn't get the message.

That is her side of the story and until Aris talks about that I'm not willing to believe her when right now we have Aris taking it on the chin willing to admit he was wrong.

Clearly if he didn't give a fuck he wouldn't admit to all of us he was wrong and took it on himself to say so.

 

[CountAntonius]

I disagree, Aris was wrong and he owns up to it.

It doesn't change that each person is different, and if you are going to activily encourage something if you don't like it then you have every reason to have it bite you in the ass.

I wouldn't say she was actively encouraging it. People tend to forget that in the beginning when people were asking sherry to flash and show her ass Miranda grabbed her and took her out of the room and capcom came in and told Aris to chill. This way way before the drama. It's easy to say hey you should have done this or that, but she was there for a week with ten people and probably just tried to not cause trouble for a bit till she couldn't handle it. It's understandable.

 

[jbug617]

The Team Tekken room catered too much to their stream monsters. Just like Art said, Team SF room is for people who wants to watch the game and Team Tekken was for the blowups.

 

[crimzonflame]

Thats definitely possible too. Back before the SRK bleaching, shit was much worse there too. Just image wars over repping peoples posts.

It definitely discourages people in a number of ways. Hopefully this will produce something good, a clear acceptable standard for broadcasting I guess.

CROSS ASSAULT

Man the old SRK forums were something else. Anything goes, totally disrespecting new members, racism, etc. I still miss the old forums though.

 

[Beth Cyra]

I wouldn't say she was actively encouraging it. People tend to forget that ion the beginning when people were asking sherry to flash and show her ass Miranda grabbed her and took her out of the room. This way way before the drama. It's easy to say hey you should have done this or that. But she was there for a week with ten people and probably just tried to not cause trouble for a bit till she couldn't handle it. It's understandable.

Her place isn't something most people would want or be able to handle. That doesn't change the fact that it should have been handled better by everyone, including her.

 

[Aedile]

]I hope it's gonna be a good experience for both as well as the (future) FGC in general. I think all the fun and hype within the FGC can very well coexist with a certain degree of respect towards women, races as well as sexual preferences.

Wouldn't hold my breath. Aside from a few prominent people in the scene who tend to come across as actual human beings (like Chensor), the collective response to all of this seems to be "Who gives a fuck?" or some blame-the-victim bullshit.

As for that other crap, this is how Aris always acts and people knew it was going to be a clusterfuck from the moment his involvement was announced. I put the onus on the clueless people at Capcom for either not knowing what they were getting into or not caring, and then not handling shit as it became apparent, particularly in light of the fact that it could expose them to legal ramifications--although I doubt it will.

 

[CountAntonius]

Her place isn't something most people would want or be able to handle. That doesn't change the fact that it should have been handled better by everyone, including her.

I stated from the beginning both sides could have handled it better.

 

[jbug617]

Did Haunts respond to Penny Arcade yet?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

That is her side of the story and until Aris talks about that I'm not willing to believe her when right now we have Aris taking it on the chin willing to admit he was wrong.

Clearly if he didn't give a fuck he wouldn't admit to all of us he was wrong and took it on himself to say so.

Or he's just pleading to a lesser charge to get himself off the hook. To think that he wouldn't want to do some damage control himself is just silly.

Plus, in the very, very infamous Aris/Jared/Haunts livestream she very clearly blurts out when he's talking about sexual harassment that he "doesn't know where the line is".

If he ever didn't understand before that that his behavior was unwelcome, if he didn't understand after that then I don't know what to say. Maybe he's not malicious, just dense.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Or he's just pleading to a lesser charge to get himself off the hook. To think that he wouldn't want to do some damage control himself is just silly.

Plus, in the very, very infamous Aris/Jared/Haunts livestream she very clearly blurts out when he's talking about sexual harassment that he "doesn't know where the line is".

If he ever didn't understand before that that his behavior was unwelcome, if he didn't understand after that then I don't know what to say. Maybe he's not malicious, just dense.

He said he gave her shit, she didn't like it and he fucked up. What else is he suppose to say? Its the truth.

 

[Lost Fragment]

This girl appeared to basically have a breakdown over twitter this afternoon. I guarantee you it doesn't feel petty to her.

Or, what do you think that feeling sexual harassed isn't a big deal?

I'm not defending it or saying it's OK, but compared to a lot of things that can happen in this world, sexual harassment, and most especially the level of harassment she was subject to, is pretty tame.

 

[Arozay]

Man the old SRK forums were something else. Anything goes, totally disrespecting new members, racism, etc. I still miss the old forums though.

Anything even happen in the SRK forums outside of Character threads?

 

[jbug617]

I'm not defending it, but compared to a lot of things that can happen in this world, sexual harassment, and most especially the level of harassment she was subject to, is pretty tame.

I really didn't watch the Team Tekken room but was most of the stuff was like making inappropriate comments or did he get physical?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

He said he gave her shit, she didn't like it and he fucked up. What else is he suppose to say? Its the truth.

I think he said that if she told him to back off he would have backed off.

She said she talked to him about it multiple times.

That's where the difference is---all I'm saying is that unless he is simply dense, the infamous three way livestream was a pretty good indication of her telling him to back off. Whether she asked him before we have no way to know.

 

[Stabby McSter]

Art posted something on Twitter:

TwitchTV is blowing up from crossassault because of the whole situation. I really hope the CEO talks to Spooky b4 he leaves.

Explain? D:

 

[QisTopTier]

Sigh... she set herself up by saying starslayer was stupid about the subject and the whole "dicks are ok" afterwards.

She never gave a straight up solid response about how she felt because before that she was saying he was crossing the line, then soon as starslayer came up she was like NAH SHE'S DUMB THINGS ARE FINE.

It's like yo, if you are having issues with stuff be upfront about it. Pop off in the guys face, tell some capcops, do what ever you can before it really gets to you and if it doesn't stop, YOU DON'T STOP.

I honestly hope she learned from this to not keep feelings and emotions about things bottled up for so long and I hope Aris learned a bit about people being different, if you listened to him on the WNF before Cross Assault you will 100% know how he views things with the FGC and how he wishes it was.

 

[jbug617]

Art posted something on Twitter:

Explain? D:

Everybody is using Twitch and the viewer counts are big due to all the drama.

 

[nycfurby]

Pretty much.

 

[Stabby McSter]

Everybody is using Twitch and the viewer counts are big due to all the drama.

Ah, that's what he means. I thought he was talking about TOS's being violated everywhere (kinda like silk's) or some other stuff.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Pretty much.

"Pay spooky on time or we're moving this shit to own3d"

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think another interesting topic is who knew what was going down and chose to ignore it or downplay it?

It seems like a lot of people would have seen some signs that something wasn't quite right.

 

[FallingEdge]

Thats definitely possible too. Back before the SRK bleaching, shit was much worse there too. Just image wars over repping peoples posts.

It definitely discourages people in a number of ways. Hopefully this will produce something good, a clear acceptable standard for broadcasting I guess.

CROSS ASSAULT

The amount of bitching over reps and join dates was fantastic. I really do wish they bring it back. However, I don't venture out of the GD/Lounge threads so I know the impact won't be nearly as bad if I were to visit the actual fighting game forums.

Anything even happen in the SRK forums outside of Character threads?

Join dates were (still are) a big deal. I want to say GD was bigger as well. People whored out rep points. I felt like being a Premium Member actually meant something. Completely different in 03-05 compared to now.

 

[Conceited]

FGTV has stuff going on, Sherry on the phone.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I think another interesting topic is who knew what was going down and chose to ignore it or downplay it?

It seems like a lot of people would have seen some signs that something wasn't quite right.

Do you think Sherry is downplaying it?

 

[Beth Cyra]

I think another interesting topic is who knew what was going down and chose to ignore it or downplay it?

It seems like a lot of people would have seen some signs that something wasn't quite right.

I don't think this really needs to be the case.

Aris was treating everyone like he usually does inlcuding the other members of Team Tekken and even member so of Team Street Fighter.

The only two that really seemed to have a problem was Valle and Miranda and if she is saying no when someone actually tried to defend her like Star then why should the others if they are indeed cool with it try to force her to admit to something she claims isn't bothering her?

This problem is with Aris and Miranda and I don't see why others should be dragged through it with them.

 

[Wallach]

I think another interesting topic is who knew what was going down and chose to ignore it or downplay it?

It seems like a lot of people would have seen some signs that something wasn't quite right.

The implication that "nobody knew" at Capcom and co. is so absurd that it's pretty much not worth considering. It's more of a question of why weren't there people there who's job it was to look out for the players well-being; if there were people there for that purpose, then why they didn't do their job. Unfortunately I don't see any answers to either of those possibilities that don't imply some serious failings on the part of the production team.