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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]

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Arken2121

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Hazaro said:
It's just that I've spent a good amount of time pulling all the information together and just saying 5-600 won't get you the best option if you don't know what it will be used for, etc.

Pretty sure 6 cores is better than 4(8 HT). The question is is buying SB-E vs a 2600K ok for you. A 2600K setup will be very capable, but streaming on a system that is playing always will take a decent performance hit.
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Agreed, I figured as much. I honestly thought with how efficient all the new processors were it would be relatively easy.
 
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Arken2121 said:
Sorry for the bump but I even tried the xsplit forums as well as some google research with no luck. Any advice?
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I'm convinced the way to go is a Blackmagic Capture card in a secondary rig. You could build one for the price difference between a 2500K system and a SB-E system, with probably better performance.
 
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Hazaro

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Arken2121 said:
Agreed, I figured as much. I honestly thought with how efficient all the new processors were it would be relatively easy.
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If a game is chewing 100% load CPU and you have to stream something is going to give.

Even stuff like SC II and Diablo III I can dip under 60fps at 1080 since those are more CPU dependent than GPU. 4.3Ghz 2500K and 6950's.

If you've got bandwidth to spare it will help since you won't have to encode as much provided people watching can handle it.
 
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Arken2121

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Hazaro said:
If a game is chewing 100% load CPU and you have to stream something is going to give.

Even stuff like SC II and Diablo III I can dip under 60fps at 1080 since those are more CPU dependent than GPU. 4.3Ghz 2500K and 6950's.

If you've got bandwidth to spare it will help since you won't have to encode as much provided people watching can handle it.
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I'm pretty lucky since I do have the bandwidth to spare. I am very patient which is why i'm waiting on Ivy and hopefully I can do it with those.
 
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vladimir rus said:
Hello i won't semi-powerful green pc,low voltage
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What do you consider low voltage? An i3 2120 undervolted, 1.25 V *8GB Ram, an 80 plus power supply, and one of the upcoming GPU could be pretty interesting. But it depends on what you consider "semi-powerful" and "low voltage".
 
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I'm pretty lucky since I do have the bandwidth to spare. I am very patient which is why i'm waiting on Ivy and hopefully I can do it with those.
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All I've heard to expect was a 10-15% speed boost per clock cycle. It might OC a tiny bit better, but that's about all to expect imo.
Esp if it's delayed until June that's a long wait. Though that might just be the mobile chips to clear laptop inventory of SB.
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What do you consider low voltage? An i3 2120 undervolted, 1.25 V *8GB Ram, an 80 plus power supply, and one of the upcoming GPU could be pretty interesting. But it depends on what you consider "semi-powerful" and "low voltage".
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That exactly what I would consider. 2100 UV + 7770 or GK107 GPU
 
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mkenyon said:
I'm convinced the way to go is a Blackmagic Capture card in a secondary rig. You could build one for the price difference between a 2500K system and a SB-E system, with probably better performance.
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Alright, I've never heard of it but that's a solid lead. Thank you.
 
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Hazaro said:
All I've heard to expect was a 10-15% speed boost per clock cycle. It might OC a tiny bit better, but that's about all to expect imo.
Esp if it's delayed until June that's a long wait. Though that might just be the mobile chips to clear laptop inventory of SB.

That exactly what I would consider. 2100 UV + 7770 or GK107 GPU
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I'm hoping as well but i'd still be willing to wait.
 
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The only issue with that kind of system right now is how incredibly expensive HDD's still are. Was thinking about building a few for my team, but when F4's are $170 instead of $55-60, hard to swallow.

Please Thailand, make more HDDs faster!
 
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Arken2121 said:
There hasn't been any confirmation about the delay just rumors?
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I'm not sure April 8th was anything more than a rumor. So it wouldn't "technically" be a delay. Seems like it'd be in Intel's interests to deny this if it wasn't true. They're merely stating it's still scheduled for Q2 (like it's been for a while). It's semantics, but a delay till June isn't technically a delay since it never had a date.
 
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Two new Bulldozer chips, FX-8150 drops to $185:

Two new Bulldozer-powered FX CPUs will join the pantheon of world-record beating chips in the company's constant fight against the forces of Intel. The quad-core FX-4170 has a 4.2GHz CPU with 4.3GHz Turbo mode (for more on AMD's Bulldozer architecture, see here) while the six-core FX-6200 has a 3.8GHz base clock and a 4.1GHz Turbo mode. Availability will vary by region as the company shuttles out the new silicon on a rolling timeline, but we'd start keeping our eyes peeled next time you're down the shops. To celebrate, AMD is hacking down the price of the top-end FX-8150 from $245 to $185 and you should see a similar price drop from outlets filter through shortly.
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mkenyon said:
*wink*
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I don't think so. Then again, I don't even know. I thought it was protected unlike the corporate version of XP. I truly believe most people here have either gotten the cheap education version, or have already purchased an OEM version and just recycle it when they upgrade.
 
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So recently I realized that my Sabertooth x58 board uses the Marvell raid controller to manage the sata III ports which severly slow down new SSD drives. I want to upgrade to an 1155 motherboard that has the new intel supported SATA III ports in it that doesn't use the Marvell controller, yet I am having issues finding any? Any suggestions GAF?
 
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Gonna do a major upgrade once I get my summer job going. Hoping to add a i5 2500k (over my phenomII x2) a 570ti (vs my 550ti) and 4 more gbs of ram. Eventually extra storage space if I have extra money. My Haf 912 has been perfect for me, as this was my first build, and I cant wait to upgrade.
 
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BoobPhysics101 said:
Idk about that. On medium he should get 70-100 FPS constant. Something is off. I get over 60 FPS avg on a highly OC'd GTX 570 at Ultra everything.

But I do agree that he should get a 7950 or a 670 when it comes out next month.
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hmmm, really? I'll cehck tonight. but in any event he won't do ultra with one card. when are we going to heqar more concrete information about the next Nvidia cards? does Nvidia ever have annual press conferences to introduce products?
 
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Gonna do a major upgrade once I get my summer job going. Hoping to add a i5 2500k (over my phenomII x2) a 570ti (vs my 550ti) and 4 more gbs of ram. Eventually extra storage space if I have extra money. My Haf 912 has been perfect for me, as this was my first build, and I cant wait to upgrade.
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670Ti you mean?
 
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hlhbk

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Another question I am getting this mobo:

Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

I also have a PCI express Sound Blaster X-fi Xtreme audio that came with my old mobo. What will produce better sound the on board audio or the sound blaster?
 
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mkenyon said:
HDMI 1.4 can not do 120hz. Gotta get dual link dvi or displayport. The 2420 comes with a dual link dvi cable.
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ok it looks like my old video card supports that. I was looking at monitors a week ago and disgusted that newegg canada seemed to have none of the good ones.
 
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I have Gateway PC that I just got from my Mom. She got it in 2007.

I originally wanted to play Battlefield 3 on it so I planned to just buy a graphics card. Then I found out that the system's power supply was 300w, it only support 2GB of Ram max, and that the processor was 1.6 Ghz. Plus it's running 32bit Vista. I decided that I should just perform surgery on this machine.

I pieced together these replacement parts:

P5G41T-M LX Plus Socket 775 G41 mATX Intel Motherboard
EL Series PSEL500 500 Watt ATX Power Supply
HD667XZHF3 AMD Radeon HD 6670 1024MB DDR3 PCIe 2.0 x16 Video Card
Intel Pentium G620 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor
4GB DDR3-1066 (PC3-8500) CL7 Dual Channel Memory Kit (Two 2GB Memory Modules)

The total is 249.05 after tax. This is all that I can afford and to do this, I have to return Battlefield to the store.

Is this a good build?

I heard that people sometimes have problems replacing the motherboard in systems from a big manufacturer. Has anyone ever done this?

I checked the motherboard that I'm getting and it seems to have screw holes in the same exact place as the current one does.

I've never actually built a computer before so I'm a bit nervous.
 
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Hazaro

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Not worth it by a long shot.
PSU is garbage
EoL mobo
Way under powered graphics
CPU doesn't work on that mobo

If that is all you really have to spend I'd suggest buying a used Core 2 Quad system off someone.
If you are really picky you could probably get by somehow nabbing used parts and putting together some kind of x4 AMD system that you would want to overclock as well.

Ideally you would be able to piece together parts similar to the $400 build in the OP. If you won't have enough money to upgrade later on I'd substitute an x4 635/640 and a cheapy mobo into it.
 
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BoobPhysics101

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fudgey_lumpkins said:
I have Gateway PC that I just got from my Mom. She got it in 2007.

I originally wanted to play Battlefield 3 on it so I planned to just buy a graphics card. Then I found out that the system's power supply was 300w, it only support 2GB of Ram max, and that the processor was 1.6 Ghz. Plus it's running 32bit Vista. I decided that I should just perform surgery on this machine.

I pieced together these replacement parts:

P5G41T-M LX Plus Socket 775 G41 mATX Intel Motherboard
EL Series PSEL500 500 Watt ATX Power Supply
HD667XZHF3 AMD Radeon HD 6670 1024MB DDR3 PCIe 2.0 x16 Video Card
Intel Pentium G620 LGA 1155 Boxed Processor
4GB DDR3-1066 (PC3-8500) CL7 Dual Channel Memory Kit (Two 2GB Memory Modules)

The total is 249.05 after tax. This is all that I can afford and to do this, I have to return Battlefield to the store.

Is this a good build?

I heard that people sometimes have problems replacing the motherboard in systems from a big manufacturer. Has anyone ever done this?

I checked the motherboard that I'm getting and it seems to have screw holes in the same exact place as the current one does.

I've never actually built a computer before so I'm a bit nervous.
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Nope. Just build a new PC. That one is junk.
 
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DigiMish

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Silly question: is it better to place a graphics card at the top of the motherboard - near the CPU heatsink (case upright) or at the bottom?

At the top, the card's fans have more room to blow out air, but it's much closer to the CPU heatsink. This is opposed to placing it on the bottom PCI slot where there's less room between the card and the PSU for air to circulate about.
 
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Hazaro

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DigiMish said:
Silly question: is it better to place a graphics card at the top of the motherboard - near the CPU heatsink (case upright) or at the bottom?

At the top, the card's fans have more room to blow out air, but it's much closer to the CPU heatsink. This is opposed to placing it on the bottom PCI slot where there's less room between the card and the PSU for air to circulate about.
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Usually on most boards the 16x slot is the top one so most cards get put there.
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Got my PC up and running, pics soon, need to work on the wire management.
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Good stuff
 
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I'm building a pc for my sis soon. Looking at these components for light to medium gaming machine (reusing hard drive):


I'm considering getting the 6850 for myself and letting her have my 4870 to save her some money, since she plays way less games than me.
 
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Hazaro

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Intel 2100 will go a lot farther for light-med gaming and have a nice upgrade option. 4100 just isn't on the same level for clock speed.
Great deal on the 6850
 
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cramcakes

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Hazaro said:
Intel 2100 will go a lot farther for light-med gaming. 4100 just isn't on the same level for speed and the cores aren't used in such a way it works like a real quad on Win 7.
Great deal on the 6850
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I did a ton of looking around for the processor. I settled on that one since it was between these two price-wise and had good speed, even if it's an "on-paper" number with the current bulldozers.


Think one of these would do better than that 4100 on a price/performance level?
 
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I don't see why you'd go with AMD considering you're also getting a motherboard. Unless you're gonna overclock, i3 beats the 960 in most benchmarks (even 4 thread ones). i3 performs even better for software that has 2 threads because of how much faster it is per clock cycle.

I personally wouldn't get anything that handles less than 4 threads now. It's quickly becoming the norm.
 
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Okay, so here's what this thread helped me produce (shitty iPhone pics ahead):

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That's about the best I could do with cable management inside this case. I wish I could turn the hard drives around to hide those cables but the case prevents me from doing so. At least this way it's easy to remove drives if I need to.

Specs:

NEW
Case: Lian Li LanCool K58W ($49.99)
Motherboard: ASRock P67 Extreme 4 Gen 3 ($149.99)
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit ($99.99)
CPU: i7 2600k ($299.25)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ ($22.51)
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Low Profile 1600 ($49.99)
PSU: Corsair TX850 V2 850W ($104.74)
SSD: Intel 320 120GB SSD ($169.99)
Storage: 2x 3TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA3 for RAID1 ($347.26)
Optical: 24x Lite-On Lightscribe DVD drive ($22.99)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DG ($17.60)

TOTAL: $1,332.30

REUSED
GPU: GTS 250
Storage: 640GB Western Digital Caviar Blue 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
Backup: HP 1TB Personal Media Drive
Monitor: Asus 24'' LED (VS248H-P)
Speakers: M-Audio AV 40

Those prices are what I paid after all of the discounts, mail-in rebates, and Amazon credits. It's more than I initially intended to spend, but I decided to splurge on some of the components (i7 instead of i5, two 3TB drives instead of two 1-2TB drives, a larger SSD) so that I won't want to upgrade for at least 2-3 years (hopefully).

I intend to add two 140mm fans to the top of the case (any suggestions?) and I might add 8GB more RAM just because I can. Once the GTX 670 Ti is released next month it will replace that GTS 250 (so add $350-$450 to my total) and then I will be completely upgraded.

For my first build everything went pretty well. Taking apart my pre-built HP Pavilion Elite m9500t to retrieve the GPU and hard drive was a massive pain in the ass and took forever (shout out to this video from ColtsFan895 which demonstrates what a pain in the ass it was and without which it would've taken me even longer). That was definitely the hardest part, and once I finally had everything out I was worried that I'd broken something during the disassembly.

Putting the new stuff together was much easier. Installing the Hyper 212+ took me the longest because I'd already screwed the motherboard to the case before attaching the cooler's backplate so I had to do it over again. Even though I knew what to expect when installing the CPU and RAM I still winced at the noises I heard as I applied the necessary force. The mess of PSU cables was intimidating until I figured out which ones were for what and that I didn't need half of them (in the future I will definitely go modular). The case (Lancool K58W) is great and its almost completely tool-less design made installing the PSU, PCI cards, and optical/hard drives really easy.

After everything was installed it wouldn't boot and I was ready to cry, but the problem ended up being that the case's power switch (not the connector) was somehow out of place and I simply needed to remove the front and top panels and move it into place. I had to replace my PSU which was functional but was making some bad noises. I also had a hard time getting the two 3TB drive set up with RAID1, but I eventually figured that out.

Anyway, I'm very happy with what I've built. 30 second boots thanks to the SSD are invaluable. A huge thank you to Darkatomz for convincing me that I'd notice a difference between the Xonar DG and my onboard audio. Holy shit do I notice a difference. My AV 40s sound amazing now. In Battlefield 3 it sounds like I'm actually standing on a battlefield. I'm also very happy with Windows 7 compared to Vista. I like the way libraries work (if there was something similar in Vista I didn't know about it) and it's nice that (at least so far) it seems to be remember my folder settings.

When I was reading about RAID while trying to set up RAID1 I took to heart the adage that "RAID is not backup" so now in addition to RAID1 on my two 3TB drives I have my 1TB external drive being used as a location for Windows Backup. I'm not completely safe but it's a lot better than the backup I had going before (none).

I originally intended to simply upgrade my GTS 250 but that turned into all of this. I've learned a lot along the way and this thread has been extremely valuable to me. Thanks a lot to everyone who contributes to it and to Hazaro and whoever else helps with the OP. It's truly a great resource.


longdi said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...na&AID=10521304&PID=4003003&SID=1xav839yr384n

Crucial SSD now is $1 for 1gb!
I duno why Crucial is dumping their SSD, but $130 for 128gb...gotta grab em fast!
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Hot damn, I was waiting for the 64GB to drop so I can get one for my mother's PC. $65! Thanks.
 
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