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Cross The Line - Sexual Assault... ok, maybe just Sexual Harassment!

I take what inkblot says with a grain of salt because he's one of the people who thinks the way the FGC currently behaves is integral to its community in a 'boys will be boys' way, as opposed to it being about people playing fighting games at the highest level. And I think his approach to this is a bit of him sticking his head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge any real issues.

Long before this week when Aris made these comments that I'm sure he regrets Inkblot has always promoted EVO has a family event. There is no cursing allowed on the stream, he wants you to bring your wife, GF, kids, and anybody else to the event and enjoy it. And not that part is not about money because only the competitors pay, anybody's group of friends or family are welcome to enter and enjoy the event for themselves.

There is a extent to what you said that is true because he has butted heads with leagues like MLG. But the day and age of disrespecting or harassing your opponents are long gone and isn't accepted with him or most of the FGC.
 

alstein

Member
What your saying doesn't work with how the current community is run. There are no leagues in the FGC that you can be banned from this isn't MLG. Because like the post Lost Fragment says the smaller road to Evo tournaments are run independently and in the case of Aris he isn't going to show up to any East coast tournaments so you can't really "Ban him for 2 weeks". SRK is just a central website is has no real power. Thinking about it kind of amazing how the fighting game is run almost completely internally except for the companies that rely on it for money ie Madcats, focus attack, broken tier, Capcom, and etc.

Which why the whole Esports thing is a big subject because it would mean a lot of change within the community possible moving into a more league based structure.

You're right, the majors would have to make that up, maybe with some co-ordination between them. It has happened before, look at that "Yellow Card/Red Card" thing they did to Justin last year. If they can do that for small potatoes crap like what Justin did, they can do it for something more damaging like Aris.

SRK and EVO are tied together closely. Ban a top player from being at EVO, the message would get sent. That's what it's going to take. It has happened before- look at Dark Prince- he got banned from Evo, for life I think. I don't think Aris should be banned for this, but if he does something like this again after knowing the fallout, he should be.
 
What does that have to do anything? He uses homophobic slurs but clearly Ricky is not bothered in the least, so why should you?
Everyone alive probably uses disparaging and offensive language when hanging with their friends. Everyone with common sense knows that you knock that shit off when you step into public. How hard is that to understand?

Every idiot on the internet assumes he's got the inside track on "edgy" comedy.
 

SamVimes

Member
Everyone alive probably uses disparaging and offensive language when hanging with their friends. Everyone with common sense knows that you knock that shit off when you step into public. How hard is that to understand?

Wow, he used that word ONCE to Tokido and he even hanged around with him a lot after the fact.
 

ElFly

Member
What do you propose they do? The best they can do at this point is to condemn it. Evo is the Wrestlemania of fighting games no doubt, but SRK doesn't have any real power over how most other tournaments are run since tournaments are largely independent efforts.

Well, they have docked the evo seed points of people participating in poorly run tournaments before (justin wong intentionally losing against floe in power up 2011 specifically), so that could be a start. Establish a minimum code of behavior and make sure associated tourneys follow it.

And strictly banning people from assisting to evo if they don't comply to this code.

That could be a start.

If madcatz or capcom are sponsoring other tournaments, these companies should pressure tournaments into behaving. Hell, I'd expect capcom to do this strictly after the whole cross assault debacle.
 

Adam Prime

hates soccer, is Mexican
Everyone alive probably uses disparaging and offensive language when hanging with their friends. Everyone with common sense knows that you knock that shit off when you step into public. How hard is that to understand?

Ding, ding, ding!

... Seriously if you don't know how to "turn it off" good look at ever being looked on as a respectable man. Especially if you are trying to make it into any sort of professional atmosphere.
 

erpg

GAF parliamentarian
Have you read inkblots article? He runs EVO, the largest fighting game tournament on the planet. He also runs SRK, the most popular fighting game site on the internet. Besides that he's also one of the most respected members of the community out there and is seen as our of the leaders of the community. This is what he had to say

http://shoryuken.com/2012/02/29/back-to-basics-getting-beyond-the-drama/
This is the terrible post I was (poorly) alluding to in my 'you don't get that in StarCraft' reply. An event organizer praises his community for the exact same things that make other competitive communities great (fun, competitive natures, amazing moments, friendships), but doesn't want to talk about the one thing that makes it stand apart - the aggressive boys club mentality, because it's too big a topic. Talk about skirting the issue. Other games have ‘high-strung, competitive vibes’, but people act with a little bit more respect, especially when they have an audience.

But hey, post your favorite FGC video, change the topic.
 

Kikujiro

Member
This is the terrible post I was (poorly) alluding to in my 'you don't get that in StarCraft' reply. An event organizer praises his community for the exact same things that make other competitive communities great (fun, competitive natures, amazing moments, friendships), but doesn't want to talk about the one thing that makes it stand apart - the aggressive boys club mentality, because it's too big a topic. Talk about skirting the issue. Other games have ‘high-strung, competitive vibes’, but people act with a little bit more respect, especially when they have an audience.

But hey, post your favorite FGC video, change the topic.

So you are saying you didn't read the post, ok.
 

Alucrid

Banned
That is fair, and it really makes me sad that Aris is alienating people like this. The FGC is a such a fun community (just watch an episode of Excellent Adventures if you need proof :p), and its a shame to see people turned off of it because of isolated incidents like this.
If only everyone in the fgc could be like Mike Ross and gootecks
 

alstein

Member
Well, they have docked the evo seed points of people participating in poorly run tournaments before (justin wong intentionally losing against floe in power up 2011 specifically), so that could be a start. Establish a minimum code of behavior and make sure associated tourneys follow it.

And strictly banning people from assisting to evo if they don't comply to this code.

That could be a start.

If madcatz or capcom are sponsoring other tournaments, these companies should pressure tournaments into behaving. Hell, I'd expect capcom to do this strictly after the whole cross assault debacle.

Seed points are largely irrelevant. That said, this.

If Evo grows to be too big a problem for Capcom, Capcom could bury Evo quite easily. That's not going to happen unless this behavior starts costing Capcom sales though, which I don't think it will. This is why ultimately, I think nothing will be done.
 

ElFly

Member
So you are saying you didn't read the post, ok.

Please quote in the article what specific action inkblot/srk will take to curb misogyny in the community.

Please.

Seed points are largely irrelevant. That said, this.

If Evo grows to be too big a problem for Capcom, Capcom could bury Evo quite easily. That's not going to happen unless this behavior starts costing Capcom sales though, which I don't think it will. This is why ultimately, I think nothing will be done.

I realize that seeding is not too important, but it would be a start.

And company pressure could be what forces the FGC to mature. It'd need to get into the actual, big media attention for that to happen, and sadly, SFxT is just a week from release, so without a miracle, I don't see this happening. Capcom already hid their head under the sand on this.
 
Well, at least he's being honest about his perception of the fighting game community.

It's not far from my perception of it, and is the primary reason why I happily avoid SRK entirely and only hang with a small portion of local players. The disrespect shown to my lady friend when she plays in any of the bottom tier local tourneys is only amplified by the fact that her best character is Vega, so we get to hear a bunch of additional homosexual slurs.

Last tournament I went to, another girl showed up with her boyfriend and was playing Zangief, and several local SRK folks spent some time giggling and whispering jokes off in the corner about her weight.

Disrespecting someone is part of any competitive game, it's understandable to have people trying to throw each other off and get in each other's face. Treating someone like they don't even belong in your presence because of how they were born, or talking shit behind someone's back out of earshot because you're an immature coward doesn't fall under that umbrella.
 

duckroll

Member
Here's the thing. If it is two guys in their apartment playing Street Fighter 4 offline, they can say whatever they want to each other and no one will give a shit because no one is there to hear it, see it, or be offended by it.

When these two guys step out their apartment and head down to a local arcade to play Street Fighter 4, they're going to have to watch their behavior a little bit more carefully. Even if they know the majority of people who frequent the arcade, not everyone is going to be open to any sort of insult or trash talk.

Now when these two guys are taking part in a tournament that's being streamed online to a worldwide audience, that's another major layer of scrutiny that's placed upon their behavior. So anyone who has a decent sense of etiquette is not going to want to say or do anything which could be misunderstood as being offensive to a certain group of people.

It's just common sense. You probably don't go into a meeting greeting your boss with "wassup motherfucker?" even if you might greet some of your friends the same way. If your best friend is over at your place and he tells you to get him a drink, depending on the sort of relationship you have with him you might say "fuck off, go get it yourself!" without any intention of offense. But that's not normal behavior or how you treat people who are normally in your house and request for a drink.

People who are unable to draw the line using common sense or are unable to adjust their behavior based on what people around them are comfortable with, should probably learn to treat every single person with the utmost respect and politeness - just so they will never accidentally offend someone. The last thing they should do is to argue that it's just the way they are and that people who get to know them better will understand.
 

Spacebar

Member
Everyone alive probably uses disparaging and offensive language when hanging with their friends. Everyone with common sense knows that you knock that shit off when you step into public. How hard is that to understand?

Every idiot on the internet assumes he's got the inside track on "edgy" comedy.

Very true, but I think a lot of these guys grew up playing without live streams and youtube videos. These days every word they say gets blow up by the stream chat and video game sites.

Now some people expect these guys to change because they think it hurts the community.
 

Kikujiro

Member
Seed points are largely irrelevant. That said, this.

If Evo grows to be too big a problem for Capcom, Capcom could bury Evo quite easily. That's not going to happen unless this behavior starts costing Capcom sales though, which I don't think it will. This is why ultimately, I think nothing will be done.

You're out of your mind if you think Evo could become a problem for Capcom. I mean really, Capcom burying Evo, this doesn't make any sense. Have you seen the last Evo? Since the realease of SFIV their relationship has only become closer. I mean Evo partnered with gametrailers and went full mainstream in 2010 (and I remember people calling that a sellout).
 

alstein

Member
Seriously, for all of us folks who are mad about this shit, the best step we can do is call people out on it publicly when people start doing that shit. If enough folks start doing that, maybe the culture will change. Some folks will never change, and calling them out will just harden their views, it's like Tea Partiers. Those folks just need to be marginalized.

And yes, I see a lot of similarities between the reactions of the FGC when they're being criticized for boorish behavior, and the reactions of Tea Partiers.

If Aris gets condemnation or pity instead of laughter for his manchild act, maybe he'd change.
 
Very true, but I think a lot of these guys grew up playing without live streams and youtube videos. These days every word they say gets blow up by the stream chat and video game sites.

Now some people expect these guys to change because they think it hurts the community.
Most of older GAF (myself included) grew up playing in arcades in the 90s. I imagine many grew out of the relentless gaybashing and misogyny phase when they left their teenage years.
 

Lost Fragment

Obsessed with 4chan
Well, they have docked the evo seed points of people participating in poorly run tournaments before (justin wong intentionally losing against floe in power up 2011 specifically), so that could be a start. Establish a minimum code of behavior and make sure associated tourneys follow it.

And strictly banning people from assisting to evo if they don't comply to this code.

That could be a start.

If madcatz or capcom are sponsoring other tournaments, these companies should pressure tournaments into behaving. Hell, I'd expect capcom to do this strictly after the whole cross assault debacle.

I wouldn't have a problem with Evo dictating how associated events conduct themselves and choose to prevent themselves. I'm kinda nervous of the idea of them dictating that players follow some sort of behavior code though, unless it's a circumstance where there are threats of physical violence/actual physical violence/etc. Evo penalized Justin Wong for (probably) throwing a match to Noel Brown, but punishing someone for their actions in the game is different than punishing them because they're not tactful outside of the game.

Most of older GAF (myself included) grew up playing in arcades in the 90s.

I'm sad because it's true :(
 

Silver_key

Neo Member
I feel like there may be a bit too much thought on an issue that should revolve around two sentences:

Blame the individuals.
Act like a human.

I don't want to assign personhood to the FGC. It shouldn't go on trial or be forced to apologize. It's just a collection of people who enjoy fighting games and wish to promote them as a form of entertainment and art.
 
Here's the thing. If it is two guys in their apartment playing Street Fighter 4 offline, they can say whatever they want to each other and no one will give a shit because no one is there to hear it, see it, or be offended by it.

When these two guys step out their apartment and head down to a local arcade to play Street Fighter 4, they're going to have to watch their behavior a little bit more carefully. Even if they know the majority of people who frequent the arcade, not everyone is going to be open to any sort of insult or trash talk.

Now when these two guys are taking part in a tournament that's being streamed online to a worldwide audience, that's another major layer of scrutiny that's placed upon their behavior. So anyone who has a decent sense of etiquette is not going to want to say or do anything which could be misunderstood as being offensive to a certain group of people.

It's just common sense. You probably don't go into a meeting greeting your boss with "wassup motherfucker?" even if you might greet some of your friends the same way. If your best friend is over at your place and he tells you to get him a drink, depending on the sort of relationship you have with him you might say "fuck off, go get it yourself!" without any intention of offense. But that's not normal behavior or how you treat people who are normally in your house and request for a drink.

People who are unable to draw the line using common sense or are unable to adjust their behavior based on what people around them are comfortable with, should probably learn to treat every single person with the utmost respect and politeness - just so they will never accidentally offend someone. The last thing they should do is to argue that it's just the way they are and that people who get to know them better will understand.

Common sense falling far below appearing confident and tough is almost a trademark of this community. When acting one way has worked for someone for 20 years, it's hard to convince them that their behavior is completely tangential to their success and they don't have to be a dick. How do you convince someone whose bread and butter for decades has been posing and trash-talking to competition that that behavior has got to be modified?

Most of these guys are convinced that acting like a man-child is part of the game, part of the process of growth towards their goals. The issue is that so many of them couldn't give a shit less about anyone else or being anything else. If these folks were aspiring to be full-time engineers, scientists, college professors, they would know the publicly visible behavior necessary to be taken seriously. But these are esports wannabes who are willing to be whatever is necessary to get them praise, success, and recognition. I'm not saying they aren't also aspiring to be engineers, etc., but they know they don't have to act like they're going to a job interview when they're going to EVO. Unless it is made necessary by the community, Capcom, EVO, etc. to not be a racist, sexist prick, to use some common sense and act like an adult professional in order to receive praise, success, and recognition, nothing will change.

There's a greater issue that boys don't have to grow up into men to get by in this society, but I'm not going there here.
 
I don't think the term 'You need to get out more' has ever been more appropriate. I mean, Goddamn! How can a human being be so utterly socially maladjusted!?
 

Gartooth

Member
I really want the name of this thread changed to just "Aspergers Megamix 2012". Although, that's also really offensive.

It sure is offensive, as someone with Aspergers (albeit a very light case) I find it incredibly offending when people use that term in a way such as you described.

People with Aspergers may not be able to interact with others on the same level socially, but if you think that they can't understand some fragment of emotion then you are dead wrong.

Sorry, not trying to roast you here, but it throws me into a fury when I witness people that strive for social equality, but then turn around and act in a manner where those with mental disabilities are "lesser" human beings and don't deserve the same level of respect.




Anyway, in terms of the topic at hand, I love fighting games, I even attended a Fight Club in New York just to play Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 ahead of release. When I went to that event, I met some awesome people in the community.

But at the same time, this kind of crap is exactly why I tend to keep myself distant. I understand that sometimes people just need a good laugh so trash talking and messing around is fine, but in this case it is completely unacceptable.

So if a majority of people hold the same ideals as Aris and don't believe this is a problem, then I'm not sure I want to be an involved member of this community.
 

JudgeN

Member
Common sense falling far below appearing confident and tough is almost a trademark of this community. When acting one way has worked for someone for 20 years, it's hard to convince them that their behavior is completely tangential to their success and they don't have to be a dick. How do you convince someone whose bread and butter for decades has been posing and trash-talking to competition that that behavior has got to be modified?

Most of these guys are convinced that acting like a man-child is part of the game, part of the process of growth towards their goals. The issue is that so many of them couldn't give a shit less about anyone else or being anything else. If these folks were aspiring to be full-time engineers, scientists, college professors, they would know the publicly visible behavior necessary to be taken seriously. But these are esports wannabes who are willing to be whatever is necessary to get them praise, success, and recognition. Unless it is made necessary by the community, Capcom, EVO, etc. to not be a racist, sexist prick, to use some common sense and act like an adult professional in order to receive praise, success, and recognition, nothing will change.

There's a greater issue that boys don't have to grow up into men to get by in this society, but I'm not going there here.

Is there some reason you lumping all the community into this bubble? Aris isn't a top player nor is he a representative of the community he just a part of it. There will always be bad apples when get a group of people together with a common interest. I honest don't see top players really acting like Aris, Justin Wong doesn't act like nor does Ricky. I could list more more top players and top commentators that act respectfully. I don't really think the community is as terrible as people are making it out to be based off what ive watch on stream and witnessed myself.
 
Most of older GAF (myself included) grew up playing in arcades in the 90s. I imagine many grew out of the relentless gaybashing and misogyny phase when they left their teenage years.

I went to the Penny Arcade on Royal St. in New Orleans in the late 90s. I will say that being somewhere where people were asking you if you wanted to buy crack or where someone once said "if you throw me again, I'ma stab you" kinda makes you more mindful of controlling your behavior.
 

Kikujiro

Member
Please quote in the article what specific action inkblot/srk will take to curb misogyny in the community.

Please.

Taking actions is not something you decide in one day. inkblot is not the god of the fighting game community, he's the person who runs Evo, that is the biggest FGC event, but it's not like he can decide for every piece of the community. What you and Lyphen don't understand is that he didn't dodged the problem, he clearly recognized it.

But there is a grain of truth to what Aris is saying, because frankly a lot of players use the scene as a cocoon where they can shed the usual social decencies and behave badly. I do believe that the scene can be an unwelcoming environment for women. Some of this is due to the game’s natural, high-strung competitive vibe, but a lot of it is just crass behavior that you would not get away with outside of our male-dominated boy’s club. This is way too big of a topic for this article, but it’s something that I think we need to face and address. It’s not about coddling women or sanitizing the scene. It’s about instilling a common sense decency and calling out the blatantly bad behavior that today often gets a pass.

We also have to embrace opportunity. The world of fighting games is now much bigger than just players and tournament organizers. When others want to be involved with good intentions, we need to be more accepting. This goes for content producers (who may not be top players), journalists, and casuals who enjoy watching the game but will never attend a major tournament. It also means having a little more sensitivity to demographics outside 18-28 year old males, but like I said, that’s a topic for another day.

This is not dodging or burying anything. As he said it's a big topic and probably the biggest topic in the FGC growth, and it's something that will take time, you don't change people's behaviour by just saying what's wrong and what's right. There will be discussion going in the community, but it will take time to see changes.
 

alstein

Member
So if a majority of people hold the same ideals as Aris and don't believe this is a problem, then I'm not sure I want to be an involved member of this community.

It's not a majority. Unfortunately, it's a very visible minority.

As critical as I've been, I want the community to expand. I don't think the stuff that goes on is good for expanding the community, and I don't think you lose anything good by marginalizing and getting rid of negative behavior.
 

LakeEarth

Member
My two cents, as someone who's tried to catch the Cross Assault stream when he could: Aris was insensitive and went too far many times. But the situation seemed handled after day 2-3 (his phone rant not withstanding). Penny-Arcade's article on the whole deal is exploitative and has an unwarranted tone. It sounds like the author was vomiting in disgust as he typed.
 

erpg

GAF parliamentarian
This is way too big of a topic for this article, but it’s something that I think we need to face and address.
There's the bait...and then....then.... yeah. Post your favorite FGC moment.

The tone of the article is 'we need to talk about maybe fixing some stuff, but look a how wonderful it is already'. Not the stance a big figure needs to take right now, he is skirting the issue (edit: difference between recognizing an issue and addressing it). "It also means having a little more sensitivity to demographics outside 18-28 year old males, but like I said, that’s a topic for another day. I’ll end this one with one of my favorite memories about the scene. Please post your own." I don't know how you can read this any other way.


Edit: Also, I just want to say that my agressive stance towards all this isn't solely because of Aris (I think he's probably more of a loveable dolt than a knowingly offensive jackass). I simply think there's a festering stink in the FGC that is constantly ignored and forgotten because of extended exposure. It's not hard to see why the vocal minority would see a link between loud hype and being a crass jerk.
 

Doomshine

Member
I'll try my best to compile some of the information available about this, but it's hard since the sources are so scattered, so feel free to add anything that is missing.

Mainstream articles about it (the big ones, I'm sure there are more out there):

http://penny-arcade.com/report/edito...fighting-games

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-p...-crossed/4006/

http://www.destructoid.com/sexual-ha...--222877.phtml

Super__Yan's twitter:

https://twitter.com/#!/super__yan

https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174004097240928256
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174071210064347136
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174249288480731136
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174269277770223616
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174270507296894977
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174295674177859584
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174296196477763586
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174340858362077186
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174374771574845440
https://twitter.com/#!/Super__Yan/status/174600846212988928

Note that this is not every single tweet related to this and she also deleted some of her tweets, feel free to add anything important I missed.

Phone calls from people on the show with LI Joe:

Dr Sub Zero @ 5:15:25, SherryJenix @ 5:33:00, Arturo Sanchez @ 6:02:35 :

http://www.twitch.tv/thisislijoe/b/309985394

Aris @ 0:28:00 :

http://www.twitch.tv/thisislijoe/b/310014836

He talks to other people too, but I'm focusing on people who were actually there.

Statement from Aris:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g65iqn

If I have time I'll try to actually dig through the archives of the show to find some more stuff and links to specific tweets from Miranda, but that's it for now.
 
Is there some reason you lumping all the community into this bubble? Aris isn't a top player nor is he a representative of the community he just a part of it. There will always be bad apples when get a group of people together with a common interest. I honest don't see top players really acting like Aris, Justin Wong doesn't act like nor does Ricky. I could list more more top players and top commentators that act respectfully. I don't really think the community is as terrible as people are making it out to be based off what ive watch on stream and witnessed myself.

Am I? Certainly not all the community, but I'm lumping large portions of the community together because I've played fighting games in arcades for almost 20 and I've seen this kind of behavior more times than I can count. Maybe South Louisiana is worse than the rest of the country? You tell me. This isn't an impression I've developed just from lurking on SRK for a week or something.

Also, I was pretty sure Justin Wong was guilty of disrespecting some female recently, but I could be mistaken, and I wasn't actually interested in going there.
 

Firemind

Member
I honest don't see top players really acting like Aris, Justin Wong doesn't act like nor does Ricky. I could list more more top players and top commentators that act respectfully.

It's not in the same vein, so I'm not making comparisons, but making a scene when you win a game, not the match, is a form of disrespect to me.
 
Doomshine, how can you compile a list like that and not include Triforce's call in to LIJoe? Irrelevant to this whole debacle but it adds some nice levity to the situation.
 

Wallach

Member
I'll try my best to compile some of the information available about this, but it's hard since the sources are so scattered, so feel free to add anything that is missing.

It's worth noting that Miranda deleted some of her Twitter messages. I have to say the ones just before she got the situation "resolved" were kind of alarming, particularly the one she sent to the Allods community manager begging him/her to read their PMs because she needed help.
 

ElFly

Member
Taking actions is not something you decide in one day. inkblot is not the god of the fighting game community, he's the person who runs Evo, that is the biggest FGC event, but it's not like he can decide for every piece of the community. What you and Lyphen don't understand is that he didn't dodged the problem, he clearly recognized it.

This is not dodging or burying anything. As he said it's a big topic and probably the biggest topic in the FGC growth, and it's something that will take time, you don't change people's behaviour by just saying what's wrong and what's right. There will be discussion going in the community, but it will take time to see changes.

It's a thousand words article with two embedded youtube videos (neither of them about sexual harassment)

Only around 300 of these words are about the issue and 11 of these words are about thinking about intending to solve the issue

it’s something that I think we need to face and address.

woah there, we are taking this too fast.

And the final phrase of the article is not a call to discuss the problem, it's a call to bury it with fun memories

I’ll end this one with one of my favorite memories about the scene. Please post your own.

That article is 100% about hiding the misogyny.
 

Kinyou

Member
The sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community…
This got to be the worst excuse I've ever heard.
 
As much as Aris may not represent the community at large, his actions have unfortunately been indirectly supported by a great number of otherwise well-meaning people both now and over the years. How many times has he done things like this and the community as a whole has shrugged and just let it go? How many people watched that livestream of both incidents and didn't even consider trying to speak out against what happened?

How many times have people in positions of authority in the community, even Inkblot specifically, been told about his behavior and not done anything?

That is a huge part of the issue. Enabling someone likely to do these things in the future to do it more often may not make us directly responsible for his actions, but in a moral sense there are a large number of people culpable.
 

rukland

Member
Wow this thread is still going

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Ramblin

Banned
Ding, ding, ding!

... Seriously if you don't know how to "turn it off" good look at ever being looked on as a respectable man. Especially if you are trying to make it into any sort of professional atmosphere.

What? The only way to get to the top is to be an absolute soulless bigot pig that's a straight shooter telling it as it is and only seeing green and caring about the bottom line.
 
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