either you didnt play GT5 or you are saying this for no reason? GT5 looks much better than Prologue. Yes theres some inconsistencies . Still it looks amazing . Its not fixed 60fps...but what do you expect when you have 16 cars on track and game running at 1080i . It is the best looking console racing game this gen
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either you didnt play GT5 or you are saying this for no reason? GT5 looks much better than Prologue. Yes theres some inconsistencies . Still it looks amazing . Its not fixed 60fps...but what do you expect when you have 16 cars on track and game running at 1080i . It is the best looking console racing game this gen
Betta Lines
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Wow you GT fans sure are touchy.
When somebody says "The pure fact that GT5 looks as utterly incredible as it does at a very good resolution and a fixed 60fps is mind blowing and probably the greatest achievement this generation" I feel the need to point out the inaccuracies in that statement. That is all. And as I pointed out in a previous post, if you compare Eiger across GTHD, Prologue and GT5, there are certain aspects of the image quality that had to take a hit.
And no, I don't think GT5 looks much better than Prologue in terms of image quality. In a direct comparison of Eiger, Prologue looks better to my eyes purely due to the better shadow resolution.
When somebody says "The pure fact that GT5 looks as utterly incredible as it does at a very good resolution and a fixed 60fps is mind blowing and probably the greatest achievement this generation" I feel the need to point out the inaccuracies in that statement. That is all. And as I pointed out in a previous post, if you compare Eiger across GTHD, Prologue and GT5, there are certain aspects of the image quality that had to take a hit.
And no, I don't think GT5 looks much better than Prologue in terms of image quality. In a direct comparison of Eiger, Prologue looks better to my eyes purely due to the better shadow resolution.
dude it doesnt matter what you think. 1000s of videos are on the web. Look at them and see how GT5 looks compared to GT5P and other racers. GT5 is regarded to look incredible for a console racer cuz it does .
what do you mean by GT fans?
almost every gamer who is a racing genre fanatic has bought GT5
Metalmurphy
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GT5 implements a better AA solution, that by itself gives it a better IQ right from the bat. I am unware of any texture downgrades so that's why I asked for comparisons, if you have them please post them. Infact we know that texture UPGRADES happened on some tracks from Prologue, like Fuji.
drugstore_cowboy
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Quincunx was a huge downgrade from Prologue's MSAA.
That era has gone, amar. It was true 5-10 years ago, but no other game today is trying to become GT... they're certainly not trying to become GT5, a game so broken, full of insane design decisions and so bereft of crucial features. Every other racing game is so far ahead of GT in customisation, tuning and modification, and so the suggestion that GT has to become like other games is valid.
Ahem, anyway, inclusion of Bathurst is good. Hope they get around to doing Brands Hatch. I want Paddock Hill Bend at night and in rain.
who says that era is gone?? You . If you are looking at a racing game almost every gamer who doesnt even own GT5 will tell you go get GT5.
Every publisher wants his game to be like GT so that not only it gets all the hype and also the sales which will perhaps never happen.
Rather after the photorealistic comparisons with real images . GT has cemented itself in the hearts of sim/racing game fans . GT is broken??so is every other racing game. But no sim offers as much as what GT does . Thats all that matters to the fans
Metalmurphy
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GT5 only uses quincunx if you choose the soften filter. Otherwise its x4MSAA + x2 TAA, x2 msaa if at 1080p
yep
this is why i feel some people havent even played the game or saying things just for the sake of saying
Really? The best selling series in the Sim genre by a country mile? So broken? Its been going through tweeks for almost 2 years now and is a much better game. (framerate fixes, loading, customization, online stability, photomode additions, NEW TRACKS like SPA and ROUTE X etc etc) Every other game is not better at night transitions, photomode, car choice opts(and yes, standards included), graphics, track selection, track customization, online features, cockpit interior design(with fully featured front and back cockpits), Lighting, Bspec, Test track(route x), number of cars on track, weather etc etc. These insane design decisions you are talking about brought us all that + standard cars(which is what most people imply kaz's made bad call). Some people forget how big and diverse a game like GT is and most of it's most of its failings would be rectified on more powerfull hardware.
LIKE A BOSS WITH BALLS OF STEEL
drugstore_cowboy
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I've had the game since day 1 and play on a screen large enough to see how rotten the image quality is.
Metalmurphy
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How could you not see how wrong u just were just now then?
Agreed.
There was a time when GT was king and everyone and his mum wanted to knock the king off the throne. Those days are gone. Monarchy is so archaic....welcome to the republic!
not every sim has weather racing in the first place. I think GT5 is the only game which had weather racing at the time of its release . F1 has that now but F1 /console sim looks nowhere near GT5
The best selling series in the genre and even after bad reviews , is well on target to hit 10m
yes the king overthrown so much that even the demo outsold every other racing game
To the general public, GT is still king.
Metalmurphy
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Lol, no.
Betta Lines
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Fanboy confurmed
PjotrStroganov
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People said the same about GT4. You don't fix lacking career progression, audio and an uneven car selection with better hardware.
This is so dishonest Amar... I have never red anyone saying that GT should try to be like x or y.
What I red , and posted, was a list of GT5 flaws and some examples where other games were doing much better.
Is it sooooooo wrong to say that autolog puts GT5's online integration to shame? Or to feel that the lack of leaderboards is not normal? Or to say that we should be able to change car from any screen in the menu? Or to criticize the framerate? Would fixing all this betray "GT philosophy"?
I d be very interested in knowing the average level of players in A-spec and B-spec...it would be a very objective way to know if the 1997 GT structure is still working with players in 2011.
And all we get is "You crazy? if you change ANYTHING then it would not be GT anymore! You don't understand the GT philosophy moron! Go play Forza, Grid, etc..."
Anyway: the next GT will have leaderboards, a better online integration, a better UI, etc... and then everyone will say: "Yeah...it's true that GT5 sucked on these points... but now it s peferct!!!"
That's why i like Kaz. He always dreams........................BIG lol
EDIT: I'll give you audio, they should and could "Hollywood it like Shift" but then we would be having a different conversation all together now(And i doubt that keeps kaz up at night).......... BUT every single game out there on the sim genre not under the FIA burner has horrible career progression and unless GT adds some FIA style career like the F1 series i don't think that's going to change. Special events might have been a move in the right direction though.....it's unique and i'd prefer they drop A-spec for that. Same goes for car selection and the lot. Which are minor gripes i don't think about when i'm taking in the bliss of the Nurb or Spa.
then prove me wrong? prove us wrong. Tell us the name of a sim that offers more than GT5.
I was wrong on the weather thing. I take back my words . But prove us all wrong then? Many racers posed as challengers to GT only to undergo a complete genre change at the end.If you think there is a sim out there offering more than GT5, then name that game?
It is already in the game as Cote De Azur.
Metalmurphy
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Erm... Do you mean an updated version?
Most things people are complaining about in here will be resolved with new hardware. Better shadows, alpha maps etc. What I'd love to see is massive improvements to actual racing. Things like real fuel sim/management, track evolution should be priorities for PD. Those two alone would help elevate GT's status as a sim.
DITTO.
Betta Lines
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Absolutely. Much more attention on tyres is needed too.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Evopool studios and Polyphony need to make babies.
Polyphony going it alone means we'll get shovelled the same shit with broken ai and tyres inflated with concrete.
ACH1LL3US
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I 100% agree with this. With GT6 they can use the full LOD models for the cars, use full textures for the enviornments and run the game at full 1920x1080 at 60 fps. Improve lighting and increase the physics engine because of the extra HP of PS4 will provide.
I think it is VERY likely they could get a GT6 out for PS4 launch if the PS4 launches in late 2013 or 2014. Problem is to me is what point is it to launch GT6 when so few consoles out there that launch will provide. From a business standpoint launching GT6 a year or two after the launch like they did with GT3 would seem the best for them $ wise.
Edit: They need to also improve the tire and engine noises in GT6 obviously
Lagspike_exe
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I 100% agree with this. With GT6 they can use the full LOD models for the cars, use full textures for the enviornments and run the game at full 1920x1080 at 60 fps. Improve lighting and increase the physics engine because of the extra HP of PS4 will provide.
I think it is VERY likely they could get a GT6 out for PS4 launch if the PS4 launches in late 2013 or 2014. Problem is to me is what point is it to launch GT6 when so few consoles out there that launch will provide. From a business standpoint launching GT6 a year or two after the launch like they did with GT3 would seem the best for them $ wise.
Edit: They need to also improve the tire and engine noises in GT6 obviously
Judging by what PS4 will probably be in terms of performance, GT6 (or whatever comes out for PS4) will be so much more graphically than a cranked-up GT5.
minus the standard cars, i agree the graphics are perfectly fine atm, i mean smoother dynamic shadows would be nice but its no biggy
Graphics look horrible.
GT needs to get with the times. Motion blur, depth of field, improved textures, lighting, etc.
Photomode quality graphics is what I expect at the minimum.
That was crazy. Thought for sure there'd be some bumps.
Metalmurphy
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No.
No no no no no.
NO.
Seriously, just no.
Motion blur is useless if the game has a realistic sense of speed, which GT5 does. Depth of field is used when directors want you to focus the attention somewhere, I don't need anyone to tell me where I need to focus, that's my job as a racer.
I hope nobody ever listens to you. Demanding games take out content? smh
It doesn't have to be drastic. Something subtle.
Motion blur is something I'd like to see at the minimum.
I would kill for GT6 to be a launch title. I mean, new consoles generally tend to show off graphics capabilities so what better way to do that than those magicians at PD?
In reality though, if PS4 launches in 2013, I don't think that they will be ready. It's more than just having the premium models ready and waiting. I believe Kaz intends to overhaul a lot of the game and that will take time despite what he says..
In reality though, if PS4 launches in 2013, I don't think that they will be ready. It's more than just having the premium models ready and waiting. I believe Kaz intends to overhaul a lot of the game and that will take time despite what he says..
ACH1LL3US
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Oh I don't doubt that, I just feel if they want to get the game out in less then 3yrs they MAY go the route I outlined. I am basically saying anything above what I outlined would be a very welcome surprise to me. I think GT6 will blow me away, as it is I still am blown away from GT5 and I know GT6 on the PS4 will be even better.
i actually agree with him, i would rather the GT4 models and tracks werent put into GT5, they just make the game looks ugly, look at GT3 it didnt have many cars but it was one of the best racing games ever. quality over quantity
Wax Free Vanilla
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A racing game by the wizards at Studio Liverpool.
Metalmurphy
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I think they should still be in the game, but maybe an option to disable them for AI racers would be nice. That way you wouldn't be staring at them but you'd still be able to drive in them.
Ofcourse the optimum solution would be to upgrade them all to premium, but that's never gonna happen.
At the very least Studio Liverpool or Evolution should be doing GT Vita. I just pray to God that PD aren't doing it. That'd be the worst thing ever.
Just make them optional for those of you who can't stand to look at them because it makes your eyes bleed. I have no problem racing on 'standard' tracks and enjoy the extra car selection. If it were up to me, they'd be labeled 'legacy' cars and be included in every game onward -- as long as it's easy to keep them in, I don't want them removed. Hater fanboys be damned.