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[Dave Long]

Saying this track is in the middle of nowhere is an understatement. It's in the middle of the desert on an island in the Gulf that's only half populated! Just look at it on Google Maps with the satellite view. The only thing the teams have going for them is there's an airbase right next door.

This race shouldn't be happening.

 

[Adamm]

So anonymous are taking down formula 1 sites. Lets hope they are just dns attacks rather than actual hacking them

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

The guest on the Media Show for the Bahrain debate was very interesting and logical. Worth a listen!

"Bernie is particularly willful about these things [...] has shown no real understanding of the political reasons behind the unrest or whether or not there's an ethical reason about if the sport should be there..."

 

[mclaren777]

I'll be curious to see what ticket sales are like this weekend.

And I'm shocked that so many people use Olympus recorders instead of Tascam hardware.

 

[McNum]

I feel a little like a dick about this. I knew there was something going in in Bahrain, sure, but it's only now that it might affect those guys that race cars for my entertainment on Sundays that I've gotten worried about it. Well, I suppose that's a good thing, really. If more people react like me, it'll at least get the word out a bit more.

I do hope that nothing happens, but it's likely that something will. I just hope no one gets hurt with it, and that if something does happen, that the teams are smart enough to call it quits early. No cars, no race.

 

[Ark]

I saw somewhere on the BBC earlier today that a poll taken reveals that 77% of Bahraini's have no problem with the race going ahead.

I have no idea what the poll size was, or how legitimate the results are, but if that's the case I don't really have a problem with it as much as I did.

 

[paskowitz]

BREAKING: Anonymous Takes Down Formula 1 Website With DDOS Attack

Anonymous Press Release - Operation Bahrain

Thursday - April 19, 2012 7:00 PM ET USA

Anonymous has watched with growing alarm the incredible human rights abuses of the Bahrain regime. We have watched this tyrannical government tear gas it's own people literally to death, with over 30 fatalities so far. We have watched as thousands of innocent protesters and activists have been jailed. We have suffered with our dear friend @AngryArabiya on Twitter as she watches her father slowly die of a hunger strike in prison to protest the atrocities committed by the regime of this "king" of Bahrain. We have witnessed doctors and nurses imprisoned for simply treating the wounded protesters that your security forces have brutalized. And finally we have suffered in outrage the ignorance and out right lies of mainstream media regarding what is REALLY happening in Bahrain.

1) This is NOT a Shia uprising against a Sunni government. It is a popular and peaceful revolt against the medieval concept of absolute monarchy. It is a movement that spans all strata and sectors of society, and all religions in Bahrain. It is a movement that demands only freedom, justice - and democracy.

2) This government is not quelling violent protests, it is brutally and violently crushing peaceful dissent.

3) This government is NOT legitimate. It is a tyrannical, barbaric - and human rights violating dictatorship. And ANYONE doing business with this regime have the blood of Bahrain's Freedom Martyrs on their hands.

For over a year now, we have as a global movement concentrated our efforts in Libya and Syria, leaving Anonymous Bahrain to to defend their fellow citizens in cyber space. This will no longer be the case. As of tomorrow, Friday - April 20, 2012 the entire global Anonymous will begin to take up the cause of the Bahrain Revolution. The King of Bahrain be warned, we are about to unleash the worst shitstorm you have ever seen - and your time as dictator is over. We will help your people remove you from power, and we will see you tried in the Hague for your many crimes against humanity.

The occasion of Anonymous re-launching Operation Bahrain will be this despicable Grand Prix Formula One race to be held in Bahrain tomorrow through the 22nd of April. Mr. Eccelstone, you are either one evil mother fucker to hold your race in support of this regime (The Kings family are actually investors and make direct profit) - or else you have been lied to and are ignorant of the atrocities committed by these tyrants. In either case, beginning tomorrow - and lasting for the duration of your race we are going to fucking educate you on the truth in a way you can not ignore.

Beginning tomorrow, and lasting for the duration of this race - Anonymous will turn your web site (www.formula1.com) into a smoking crater in cyber space. We will also jam your phone lines, bomb your E-Mail inboxes - and wreck anything else of yours we can find on the internet. You can god damn well expect us. And to anyone in the world who watches this race, either in person or on television - you also have the blood of the Bahrain Freedom Martyrs on your hands. Turn your face away from this abominable entertainment, and join us online to defend the brave protesters fighting for their freedom in Bahrain. Finally, we join with Anonymous Bahrain in asking that all the drivers in this race protest this evil regime by refusing to cross the start line at the beginning of the race.

Internet Freedom Fighters around the globe, join us this weekend and fight for freedom and justice in Bahrain: irc.voxanon.net #OpBahrain

We Are Anonymous - We Are Everywhere - We Are Legion - We Never Forget - We Never Forgive - EXPECT US

SIGNED — Anonymous

 

[ReadingRambo]

Well shit.

 

[dalin80]

oh wow, such drastic action that will do absolutely nothing... at all.

 

[paskowitz]

If this race goes on, I fully expect something bad to happen. And by bad, I mean someone will be hurt or killed. Probably on both sides.

 

[Psychotext]

Don't forget... we have another thread for the politically related discussions on the race: www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37122290

 

[Ark]

Wouldn't at all be surprised if a track invasion took place this weekend, during the race, albeit unlikely with the security measures in place.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

If this race goes on, I fully expect something bad to happen. And by bad, I mean someone will be hurt or killed. Probably on both sides.

It's not going to be fun watching the race just in case. Even if quali etc goes off without a hitch, you never know if someone will be waiting for race day.

 

[mclaren777]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

 

[Risgroo]

Ugh, this fucking race, something bad is going to happen, I know it. Either to the protestors or team personell. Sorry for posting this here, put my mind isn't really on the on track action this weekend...

 

[Chris R]

Ugh, this fucking race, something bad is going to happen, I know it. Either to the protestors or team personell. Sorry for posting this here, put my mind isn't really on the on track action this weekend...

Well if the race is anything like 2010's race there won't be much action on the track to care about anyways

 

[paskowitz]

Interesting perspective on why the race should go ahead. mclaren777 vindicated?

 

[mclaren777]

Interesting perspective on why the race should go ahead. mclaren777 vindicated?

People should just watch 9:35 until 11:35.

 

[ANDY_098]

Just came across some images of various teams radiators.

For comparison this is the conventional lay out, as used by Red Bull most other teams (maybe a few degrees variation in angle of incline).

I was surprised that both Ferrari and Sauber have their radiators vertically oriented.

McLaren's radiators are more conventional, although their radiators are nearly horizontal.

I doubt there is much difference between them in terms of lap time or cooling, however I thought it was interesting nonetheless.

 

[mclaren777]

I've always been perplexed by Mclaren's radiator orientation. I'd love to hear Paddy Lowe talk about it.

 

[Ark]

François Cevert behind the wheel of a Matra-Simca M670.

 

[ashk]

There is a difference in cooling, the inclined radiators have a bigger surface area so they are better at cooling. A smaller radiator enables tighter packaging and overall more efficient aero.

Ferrari and Sauber using smaller radiators tells us that the Ferrari engine doesn't need as much cooling as the other engines. There was talk about Ferrari improving their engines in that regard at the start of the season, and if you compare the Ferrari's sidepod intakes to last year's version they're noticeably smaller.

For McLaren, it seems to me that the point of having a more horizontal radiator is to enable them to have a bigger undercut under the sidepods, at least compared to the Red Bull.

 

[mclaren777]

Random pictures from Bahrain...

 

[Ark]

FOM Race Edit from China

I'm kinda gutted they didn't show Hamilton's overtake on Vettel, that was one of the more impressive overtakes into the hairpin I thought, but there you go.

 

[Dave Long]

So how many people do they expect at the race on Sunday? Will this be like Bernie's comment some years ago where he said they don't need fans at the track, just the TV and the teams?

 

[ANDY_098]

There is a difference in cooling, the inclined radiators have a bigger surface area so they are better at cooling. A smaller radiator enables tighter packaging and overall more efficient aero.

Ferrari and Sauber using smaller radiators tells us that the Ferrari engine doesn't need as much cooling as the other engines. There was talk about Ferrari improving their engines in that regard at the start of the season, and if you compare the Ferrari's sidepod intakes to last year's version they're noticeably smaller.

For McLaren, it seems to me that the point of having a more horizontal radiator is to enable them to have a bigger undercut under the sidepods, at least compared to the Red Bull.

Actually having the radiator as close to perpendicular to the airflow as possible would produce the largest surface area. This was the reason McLaren's was so surprising, the actual frontal area of their radiators must be about half the size of other teams.

Are the Ferrari and Sauber radiators actually any smaller than other teams? It's hard to tell from only the pics I posted earlier, but they don't strike me to be much smaller than others. STR rads (http://i.imgur.com/6w9kb.jpg), also Ferrari engined, look to be the same size as other teams.

 

[olore]

I've always been perplexed by Mclaren's radiator orientation. I'd love to hear Paddy Lowe talk about it.

Interesting pics andy.

Yeah, me too. I`ve always, for some reason, been interested in the relatively basic task of cooling and doing that under these circumstances must present a unique technical challenge

 

[33-Hit-Combo]

Actually having the radiator as close to perpendicular to the airflow as possible would produce the largest surface area. This was the reason McLaren's was so surprising, the actual frontal area of their radiators must be about half the size of other teams.

Are the Ferrari and Sauber radiators actually any smaller than other teams? It's hard to tell from only the pics I posted earlier, but they don't strike me to be much smaller than others. STR rads (http://i.imgur.com/6w9kb.jpg), also Ferrari engined, look to be the same size as other teams.

Depends on how the pods are modelled though. Actual surface area, you could cram more at an angle due to easier packaging. With respect to surface area when looking at Y-Z 2D plane there is less area, but this is most certainly not the only area that contributes to cooling, this is only the most effective area.

The angled rads look to be bigger and probably make up for reduced efficient area, whereas the vertical rads have a ton of effective area but less SA overall.

 

[Shaneus]

Did anyone else know about this? I honestly had no idea:
MW Arden - GP3 Series

MW Arden is a new team collaboration between Arden boss Christian Horner and Red Bull Racing Formula One driver Mark Webber.

Three of Arden’s GP2 drivers have proudly made their way to Formula One so the team’s results speak for themselves. Arden can also claim to be one of the most successful teams in F3000 history.

A WORD FROM THE TOP
“GP3 is an exciting new category which will be the clear feeder series for GP2 in the coming years. It is a great opportunity for both the young drivers and team personnel to experience being part of a Formula One weekend and to race at circuits like Spa and Monza. I am anticipating a ferociously competitive championship with a level playing field, meaning that driver talent will do the talking.

“In my position at MW Arden, I am looking forward to working with the stars of the future at a grass roots level and to overlook their development on and off the track. MW Arden is an ambitious team with very high goals: we are aiming to win immediately and, coupled with our drivers, we stand as good a chance as any in achieving our aims.”
Mark Webber , Team Principal

That actually puts the relationship between Horner and Webber a lot more intimately than I initially thought. Perhaps things aren't as bad between them as I (and perhaps most people) had thought? And with his preference to use the newer car in Malaysia, you can't help but think that any "golden boy" favoritism (either actual or perceived) with their dual-WDC within RBR is slowly disintegrating.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

That's pretty cool.

 

[xptoxyz]

That actually puts the relationship between Horner and Webber a lot more intimately than I initially thought. Perhaps things aren't as bad between them as I (and perhaps most people) had thought? And with his preference to use the newer car in Malaysia, you can't help but think that any "golden boy" favoritism (either actual or perceived) with their dual-WDC within RBR is slowly disintegrating.

The team has existed with Webber's participation since 2010 (GP3 first season) though.

 

[Shaneus]

That's pretty cool.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

Edit: Yeah, I dunno. Taking that into account, maybe it's the reason why Webber hasn't been tossed out on his arse completely then?

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

It's Webber related... of course it's cool!

 

[Edmond Dantès]

François Cevert behind the wheel of a Matra-Simca M670.

Lovely photo, thanks for sharing.

 

[ANDY_098]

RB (Vettel only as far as I can tell) were testing with and without the tunnel downstream from the exhaust exit today.

With

Without

Hi res:
With: http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-04-20/racepictures_1334922854.72.jpg
Without: http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-04-20/racepictures_1334935354.55.jpg

 

[Shaneus]

It's Webber related... of course it's cool!

But it's also me posting it, so... I dunno!

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

You know you're second only to Lucius in my heart!

... this is a rather drastic change in tone to the Bahrain debates of earlier!

 

[Salacious Crumb]

You know you're second only to Lucius in my heart!

I thought I was the only Aussie with a place in your heart, I feel so betrayed.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

You don't let me call you Webber in bed. Third place confirmed.

 

[AcridMeat]

You don't let me call you Webber in bed. Third place confirmed.

So he's the most like Webber then?

Spoiler

Last season anyway

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

God, Acrid, don't you realise there are more serious things happening at the moment than Webber jokes?

Jeez..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17788091

Let's get this thing back on topic shall we, if you don't mind?!

 

[Shaneus]

Aaand this thread is back to normal. Bonza, mate.

 

[Psychotext]

Good news, I think I might have found a pub near where I'm going in London tomorrow that's going to be showing the qualifying.

Hope the website is right. =/

 

[ANDY_098]

Red Bull DDRS?

Pipes going into engine cover...

and up/round the engine air intake

Can't see how, or even if they are connected and haven't found any pics showing more, but they were applying flow-viz to the FW today so could have been testing a system. Only Marussia were slowest through the speed trap though, so even if it is a DDRS it isn't working at the moment.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Edit: Shit, thought I was in F1 2011 thread. Tabs are confusing!

 

[f0rk]

BREAKING: Anonymous Takes Down Formula 1 Website With DDOS Attack

Do these people actually believe what they are saying about the effect of what they do?

 

[Shaneus]

Do these people actually believe what they are saying about the effect of what they do?

I can tell you, they believe what they do actually makes a difference to what anyone thinks. Which, of course, is preposterous.

Red Bull DDRS?

Pipes going into engine cover...

and up/round the engine air intake


Can't see how, or even if they are connected and haven't found any pics showing more, but they were applying flow-viz to the FW today so could have been testing a system. Only Marussia were slowest through the speed trap though, so even if it is a DDRS it isn't working at the moment.

Shit, that didn't take long *at all*. I mean, they may have been toying with it since Australia, but the system really only showed it's worth less than a week ago.

 

[mblitek]

Faaaaaaaaaaahdge! I forgot to answer the weekly F1RM question! Nooooo!

Watching FP1 & 2, stands are EMPTY.

 

[Shaneus]

Faaaaaaaaaaahdge! I forgot to answer the weekly F1RM question! Nooooo!

Watching FP1 & 2, stands are EMPTY.

We both did

Which team are you?

 

[mblitek]

We both did

Which team are you?

Canuck Luck!

This weekend should be interesting with high heat. So I'm paying more attention to FP to see.