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[Elios83]

I don’t understand how the DS and 3DS numbers can be that close. 3DS is flying off the shelves (best selling console, beating PS3) here, with DSi (and Vita) completely dead.

3DS is not beating PS3, 360 and PS3 have been quite ahead by a decent margin.
PS3 this month did 195k, 3DS 155k.

 

[Canis lupus]

PS3 has been second best selling and still terrible. It just means Wii is even worse.

But its doing better than 3DS.

 

[Stealth20k]

but iPhones, man

Spoiler

the DS Lite was sold like crazy at a $130 pricepoint so there's no reason to expect any pricedrop to $100 for the 3DS any time soon; as long as the software is there, the hardware sales should come

iphones are a challenge granted.....but the 3ds is doing BETTER than any nintendo handheld up to this point so.............

 

[Mpl90]

I'd say the best lessons Sony should learn from Vita's disaster are

1) Meet with third parties and don't just suppose they'll come to you just since they had a good success on your platform...in just one territory
2) Do not wait one year after the launch of the direct concorrent
3) Above all, no ridiculous and masochists decisions like the SD memory one.

 

[FoxRomeo]

They're not terrible, PS3 has been the second best selling platform in the US for months, Sony just doesn't like to disclose their sales numbers (if they're nothing huge to brag about).

Being the second best selling console seems like something to brag about to me. Even last place Nintendo crowed about their dismal Wii numbers. But then again, at least one of their platforms sold decently.

I mean, this is from the same company that had a 20 ft PowerPoint that exclaimed that "the console war is over". Now we can't even get ambiguous percentages out of them.

 

[Stealth20k]

3DS is not beating PS3, 360 and PS3 have been quite ahead by a decent margin.
PS3 this month did 195k, 3DS 155k.

he might mean worldwide.

Which would be a true statement

 

[Canis lupus]

Being the second best selling console seems like something to brag about to me. Even last place Nintendo crowed about their dismal Wii numbers. But then again, at least one of their platforms sold decently.

I mean, this is from the same company that had a 20 ft PowerPoint that exclaimed that "the console war is over". Now we can't even get ambiguous percentages out of them.

Even if Sony ended up in 1st place they wouldn't brag about it I think. They're very sober after what happened at the start of the gen.

 

[yon61]

I'd say the best lessons Sony should learn from Vita's disaster are

1) Meet with third parties and don't just suppose they'll come to you just since they had a good success on your platform...in just one territory
2) Do not wait one year after the launch of the direct concorrent
3) Above all, no ridiculous and masochists decisions like the SD memory one.

4) Don't make a handheld that costs $250

 

[Petrae]

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

 

[jman2050]

he might mean worldwide.

Which would be a true statement

I figured he was talking about locally in his area.

 

[ZoddGutts]

he might mean worldwide.

Which would be a true statement

You sure about that? It's selling well in Japan but not really much in Europe.

 

[MechaX]

I can't decide if those Lollipop Chainsaw numbers are good or bad. They are better than pretty much anything else that Grasshopper has ever done but I have to wonder how much money WB threw into advertising for it and if they made that money back. One thing is certain, however. I really liked the game and hope a sequel is made!

I look at it like this; I don't see WB making a collaboration with Grasshopper of all teams to start pushing 500k units, let alone something like CoD-esque blockbuster numbers. All of their prior titles sold ridiculously niche amounts, most times terrible amounts. And the only reason NMH sold as well as it did was because it was in the right place at the right time (which unfortunately did not rub off on its sequel in the sales department).

Advertising can only do so much for a quirky designer like Suda 51. But since the game's actual budget was most likely dirt cheap, WB can splurge a bit to the point where the sales may be at least double or even triple the amount of Shadow of the Damned's poor performance.

At least I hope WB wasn't expecting to light the charts on fire with Suda 51 out of all people at the helm of something.

 

[shinra-bansho]

this.
how much does the PSP sell in the US?

January - 20K
February - 30K
March - 30K
April - ?
May - ?
June - ?

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

So roughly 75-80K.

We dont know European numbers do we? For all we know PS3 is beating 3DS here too.

It was in the first 3 months of the year at least.

 

[Elios83]

I mean, this is from the same company that had a 20 ft PowerPoint that exclaimed that "the console war is over". Now we can't even get ambiguous percentages out of them.

That's the reason imo, for them it's either 'we're totally dominating or we keep the numbers for ourselves'.
It has been like that for years even when their sales are pretty good relatively to the competition.


Nintendo is a more open company in this sense, their executives (especially the japanese ones) like to admit their failures Sony not so much.

 

[Canis lupus]

he might mean worldwide.

Which would be a true statement

We dont know European numbers do we? For all we know PS3 is beating 3DS here too.

 

[djplaeskool]

Being the second best selling console seems like something to brag about to me. Even last place Nintendo crowed about their dismal Wii numbers. But then again, at least one of their platforms sold decently.

I mean, this is from the same company that had a 20 ft PowerPoint that exclaimed that "the console war is over". Now we can't even get ambiguous percentages out of them.

There have been several months in the past where they've hit milestones and had other impressive numbers, and the PR was still extraordinarily muted.

 

[Stealth20k]

You sure about that? It's selling well in Japan but not really much in Europe.

I am pretty sure. Nothing is selling super well in europe fyi, its dismal

 

[allan-bh]

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

~80k?

 

[lefantome]

Seems like the 99$ subscription 360 was a failure, great! now they have to cut the price. It's a 7 years old machine!(ps3 too)

3ds +8,4% after an enormous price cut lol.

 

[Monty Mole]

They still haven't released the biggest thing on a Nintendo handheld yet.

Brain Training?

 

[darkside31337]

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

So sales went up on a weekly average from May to June.

Momentum.

 

[Mpl90]

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

So, between 75k and 85.5k

 

[kfpkiller]

uh no

the hope is a 2d mario, a remodel, and consistent exclusive localized software.

If the gba and ds did worse than the 3ds is doing now. I dont really see the need to hit the panic button

You're wrong about the GBA.
And the DS had a really shitty first year. The DS lite + nintendogs + brain training + NSMB combo is what made it explode.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

So happy to see DS+3DS doing well

 

[Stealth20k]

You're wrong about the GBA.
And the DS had a really shitty first year. The DS lite + nintendogs + brain training + NSMB combo is what made it explode.

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=2039

the gba was murdering the ds........this was at the 2005 holidays ( past the lite launch I believe). And even going into 2006 it was ugly the gba wouldnt stay down

 

[Takao]

I'd say the best lessons Sony should learn from Vita's disaster are

1) Meet with third parties and don't just suppose they'll come to you just since they had a good success on your platform...in just one territory
2) Do not wait one year after the launch of the direct concorrent
3) Above all, no ridiculous and masochists decisions like the SD memory one.

This shows you know very little about Vita. The price of the memory cards likely has played no large role in the platform's sales, and Sony actually did go and meet with developers, both internally, and externally to build the platform.

 

[jman2050]

We dont know European numbers do we? For all we know PS3 is beating 3DS here too.

Yearly shipment numbers we know about have 3DS at number one worldwide, IIRC.

Consider that the 3DS has had at least a roughly 200k monthly advantage over the PS3 in Japan for a while now

 

[Elios83]

Vita = 1.5 x May sales (approximate)

Wouldn't that be around 80k for Vita, leaving around 20k for PSP, 100k total like Nintendo said.

 

[boyshine]

3DS is not beating PS3, 360 and PS3 have been quite ahead by a decent margin.
PS3 this month did 195k, 3DS 155k.

I’m not talking about US numbers obviously. I’m on the other side of the pond. Only commenting because the US numbers are a complete mismatch, it’s interesting to see how different things really are between countries/continents.

 

[perfectchaos007]

they just dropped the price of the dsi and dsi xl. i believe they're in stock-clearing mode at this point.

I noticed that at Wal-Mart the other day. DSi's are now $99, DSiXL's $129, and 3DS are now $159. I guess Nintendo is preparing the way for 3DSXL

 

[Penguin]

Brain Training?

Kind of scary what they HAVEN'T released yet for the console. And 3rd year seems to be the most important for them so I imagine some big announcements near the end of the year.

Also seeing LEGO Batman 2, Batman Arkham City and Amazing Spider-man makes me think someone screwed the pooch by not having an Avengers game out with the movie

 

[jman2050]

I’m not talking about US numbers obviously. I’m on the other side of the pond. Only commenting because the US numbers are a complete mismatch, it’s interesting to see how different things really are between countries/continents.

Do you have access to Euro sales numbers or something like that?

 

[Plinko]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-07-12-game-sales-down-29-percent-in-us-during-june


industry overall was down 29 percent


Frazier also noted that Nintendo's been doing very well with its 3DS, even better than the DS at the same point in its cycle.

"The 3DS is still up nearly 25% over where the NDS was in a similar point in time after release to market, and has topped portable hardware unit sales for the last 11 months. I am excited by the content that is coming to market later this year, and to watch what impact that will have on hardware sales," she said.


cool beans

GAF keeps telling me that it's failing. Who to believe?

 

[shinra-bansho]

I’m not talking about US numbers obviously. I’m on the other side of the pond. Only commenting because the US numbers are a complete mismatch, it’s interesting to see how different things really are between countries/continents.

The 3DS is selling less than the PS3 in Europe. Or at least was during the first three months of the year.

Do you have access to Euro sales numbers or something like that?

Courtesy of Nintendo.

The situation may have changed in the last three months however.

UK yes, rest of europe I think its 3ds. But we have shakey numbers

If you're using the banned site as was implied earlier then you have no numbers really. Just guesses.

 

[Stealth20k]

The 3DS is selling less than the PS3 in Europe. Or at least was during the first three months of the year.

UK yes, rest of europe I think its 3ds. But we have shakey numbers

 

[Father_Brain]

What, making the best hardware for a good price?I hope so too.

Memory aside, Vita actually has a quite sensible philosophy behind it... Just not for a handheld. I don't think it really bodes poorly for PS4 at all at this point.

 

[Takao]

Kind of scary what they HAVEN'T released yet for the console. And 3rd year seems to be the most important for them so I imagine some big announcements near the end of the year.

Also seeing LEGO Batman 2, Batman Arkham City and Amazing Spider-man makes me think someone screwed the pooch by not having an Avengers game out with the movie

THQ was planning too IIRC, but their implosion got the game canned. I believe Ubisoft is rushing some Kinect/Wii U shovelware title for the Blu-Ray/DVD release.

 

[terrisus]

It's really odd to actually be able to post in these threads after years of lurking. Of course, the provided content in these threads isn't nearly what it used to be either, but, ah well, such is life.

Given the current state of games being combined across all platforms and the "top 10" list that we get being largely dominated by multiplatform games, it's pretty surprising to see Pokémon Conquest on there. Yes, I know, it's Pokémon, but, it's a departure from the series' typical gameplay, and is blended with a series that (doesn't seem to be anyway) as popular over here, didn't come out until a couple weeks into the month, and I had some trouble finding it even after it did get released. So, really wasn't expecting to see it up there.

3DS getting a bit of a bump too, will be interesting to see how the 3DS XL impacts that (before and after) in the coming couple of months.

 

[Elios83]

I’m not talking about US numbers obviously. I’m on the other side of the pond. Only commenting because the US numbers are a complete mismatch, it’s interesting to see how different things really are between countries/continents.

I'm in Europe (Italy) too, but this is a NPD thread.
Fact is that 3DS is enjoying a great success mainly in Japan, US and Europe are contributing just decently but that's it.
We'll see how things will go after 3DS XL (I'm doing my part preordered one). If sales don't pick up in US and Europe they will quickly fall behind the DS sales track.

 

[Stealth20k]

GAF keeps telling me that it's failing. Who to believe?

Believe in the heart of the cards

 

[jman2050]

This shows you know very little about Vita. The price of the memory cards likely has played no large role in the platform's sales, and Sony actually did go and meet with developers, both internally, and externally to build the platform.

He is wrong of course. The lesson to learn regaring Vita in terms of Sony is that it never should have been made.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

This shows you know very little about Vita. The price of the memory cards likely has played no large role in the platform's sales, and Sony actually did go and meet with developers, both internally, and externally to build the platform.

Maybe they should have asked them to make games too.

 

[metalslimer]

This shows you know very little about Vita. The price of the memory cards likely has played no large role in the platform's sales, and Sony actually did go and meet with developers, both internally, and externally to build the platform.

Well they obviously didn't get any good support or make any good deals out while they were there. If this is the best Sony could get 3rd parties to do they are fucked beyond belief.

We'll see how things will go after 3DS XL (I'm doing my part preordered one). If sales don't pick up in US and Europe they will quickly fall behind the DS sales track.

It's almost impossible for the 3DS to keep up with the DS no matter what happens.

 

[kfpkiller]

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=2039

the gba was murdering the ds........this was at the 2005 holidays ( past the lite launch I believe). And even going into 2006 it was ugly the gba wouldnt stay down

Why are you talking about 2005?
The GBA sold much better than the 3DS in its first year.

 

[Four_Chamber]

Vita being outsold by the DS?

Ouch... I'm not a Vita optimist, but I wonder if anybody can think of anyway it can rebound here in the States.

 

[Plinko]

I'm in Europe (Italy) too, but this is a NPD thread.
Fact is that 3DS is enjoying a great success mainly in Japan, US and Europe are contributing just decently but that's it.
We'll see how things will go after 3DS XL (I'm doing my part preordered one). If sales don't pick up in US and Europe they will quickly fall behind the DS sales track.

Not necessarily.

Keep in mind that the DS had already had 2 holiday seasons worth of sales by this point. Plus, the new 2D Mario comes out next month. I think it'll be fine.

If, for some reason, that fails--they've still got their ace in the hole in Pokemon.

 

[Clear]

There have been several months in the past where they've hit milestones and had other impressive numbers, and the PR was still extraordinarily muted.

True. Sony don't really seem interested in playing the numbers game anymore. Odd really considering if you look at known figures from US and Japan, plus what we know in terms of their typical performance profile in Europe and the rest of the world PS3 really ought to be beating 360 globally outside of the peak months in the NA market.

 

[Stealth20k]

I'm in Europe (Italy) too, but this is a NPD thread.
Fact is that 3DS is enjoying a great success mainly in Japan, US and Europe are contributing just decently but that's it.
We'll see how things will go after 3DS XL (I'm doing my part preordered one). If sales don't pick up in US and Europe they will quickly fall behind the DS sales track.

The 3ds compared to its other handhelds are doing phenomenally in each region. Thats all nintendo can ask for at the present time.

I mean will it life time outsell the highest selling portable of all time? Who knows Can it do better than the gba? sure why not..........

I mean all we can say for now is things are fine

I preordered the blue

what color for you?

 

[iammeiam]

So, between 75k and 85.5k

Now the question is what happens to the Vita between now and October when the next big titles hit (September if you count Ragnarok Odyssey.)

 

[Colonel Mustard]

He is wrong of course. The lesson to learn regaring Vita in terms of Sony is that it never should have been made.

Maybe they should have asked them to make games too.

Well they obviously didn't get any good support or make any good deals out while they were there. If this is the best Sony could get 3rd parties to do they are fucked beyond belief.

You guys are brutal.