ArisenDragon
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Awesome, can't wait to see more of this hopefully at TGS.
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Yoichi Wada: Final Fantasy Versus XIII not cancelled
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Doesn't SE want FF to be a yearly franchise now? My guess is FFXIII-3 next year, then Versus in 2014.
BlazingDarkness
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I'm surprised at people so hastily calling for a ban on Kotaku.
Obviously, it was dumb of them for posting the rumour, but given how quick a vast amount of people, even here on GAF, were to believe it, and to criticise SE for an unsubstantiated claim such as that, was it really that unreasonable for them to post it in the first place?
Given the reaction to the rumour, I wouldn't have thought it was an unreasonable claim, so why the outrage?
Obviously, it was dumb of them for posting the rumour, but given how quick a vast amount of people, even here on GAF, were to believe it, and to criticise SE for an unsubstantiated claim such as that, was it really that unreasonable for them to post it in the first place?
Given the reaction to the rumour, I wouldn't have thought it was an unreasonable claim, so why the outrage?
The Praiseworthy
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If eating each others profits isn't a problem for them.... then why not releasing them close together?
BlazingDarkness
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Yeah, it might slip in to 2014, but it will be very early in the year, around february or so at the latest, probably. Having said that, they'll make sure there's loads of media coverage at the tail end of 2013, and possibly a demo, to keep people satiated
So they can balance their profits and whatnot, and naturally, because Versus XIII would take further development through the rest of the year before it's released
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I didn't expect an answer at all. Color me bemused but appreciative that you did take the time to read and answer them. All snarkiness and hyperbole aside, I still think you guys jumped the gun on this one pretty bad and deflecting valid criticisms with "it said rumor!" and "the situation was murky" doesn't inspire much faith in your already questioned standards.
A good deal of my questions were snark especially since I was wrong concerning your attempt to contact Square-Enix for comment. I appreciate your sportsmanship in answering either way. I'm not saying I've changed my opinion but I do appreciate your correspondence.
It's nothing about the believability of the rumour, it's about the source of the rumour. One of three things has happened, they've made it up, which is possible, SE are now lying, and they were right, which is obviously not true, or their source is garbage.
If it's the first or the third, they're either incompetent, or untrustworthy, in both cases, they're worthless.
The Praiseworthy
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If that really happened then I guess spring 2013 for FFXIII-3 and Spring 2014 for FFversus.
Maybe they will put a demo of Versus with FFXIII-3 to get extra sales.
I don't know. I mean, I know only some people want to buy one game at a time... but as a gamer, not a company, I don't understand why they couldn't release both the same year. I'd buy both just because it's something to kill time with. I am pretty picky with what games I buy though so I can only speak for myself. >_<
zomgbbqftw
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I can definitely see this happening. An early demo to help XIII-3 which is surely going to be a massive bomb.
AP, Stephen himself, and lots of other posters have already stated how clearly stupid this Kotaku conspiracy theory is, but if you're bent on hating thmd, have at it. I won't stop you.
I'm guessing your right, but the dates will be earlier.
That's a great idea. And I also think they'll release Versus earlier in 2014. Maybe they'll lock down Feb/March as the yearly FF release month in the West (both XIII and XIII-2 dropped in Feb/March).
BlazingDarkness
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My point is that, people were very quick to believe the rumour and take it as fact, when in fact, it was posted clearly as a rumour, and once proved incorrect, suddenly it's Kotaku who are in the wrong for posting it, when it should be those who chose to take it as the truth.
Wouldn't be sure about that, I didn't enjoy FF13 much, haven't played ff13-2 yet, but the lightning saga or ff13-3? could be better, who knows.
BlazingDarkness
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XIII-3 will definitely sell less than XIII-2, unless they've done something radically different with the game, and spend a lot on marketing it. A Versus XIII demo pack in could happen, but I'd say it's more likely we'll see the demo later on in the year, they may even release the TGS demo which is sure to be playable at TGS 2013, for public consumption
Well on GAF, I would say most people called bullshit straight away, but regardless, I don't think random posters on GAF should be held to the same journalistic standard a media publication should. It doesn't matter what people on GAF think might be true, those people aren't claiming their sources told them.
Calling something a rumor is just a get out of jail free card, they can say whatever the fuck they want, then point to the fact it was listed as a rumor, despite the fact they cite anonymous sources to indicate it as fact.
Hmm yeah FF13-3 might sell less, but it will possibly be the best one yet (of FF13 series) due to their experience and evolving the game.
Versus demo will have FFXIII-3 bundled in for free? Nice. Will buy for sure.
Lucid Faia
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lol video game journalism
APZonerunner
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Except Kagari and one other person right? Unnamed sources again too!
Would you rather we didn't share anything we're told ever? I'd like to think our track records hold us up, but if it comes to a choice between exposing a good sources - and friends - and not saying anything, not saying anything is an obvious choice. We never claim that anything we say is 100% confirmed, we just happily relay what we're told.
Except for the fact that a "rumor" is an actual concept. What you're saying implies there are no real, legitimate rumors and there most certainly are.
Again, Kotaku is long, long past the "BS rumors for traffic" stage.
BlazingDarkness
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It was listed as a rumour, even so in the headline, and the whole piece was a speculation piece based upon what the writer thought were reliable sources, there's absolutely nothing in the article to suggest the writer outright claimed the game was cancelled, they even suggested waiting until after TGS to make such an assumption. So yeah, no reason at all to call for a ban as far as I'm concerned
mysteriousmage09
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they should have been banned years ago.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Kagari and ApZonerunner didn't publish a giant false story about it in a ploy for attention. Try again.Except Kagari and one other person right? Unnamed sources again too!
I don't imagine your sources really appreciate you leaking info anyway. That's one of the reasons why I try to keep my mouth shut lately, personally.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Kagari and Zonerunner replied saying what Kotku claimed about the game being cancelled contradicted what they were told. They didn't leak any information.
They certainly didn't make a huge declaration, they didn't put forward information on their own, they did it in reply to the rumor that Kotaku started and fed all over the Internet by posting an inaccurate and ill-advised story.
What part of that is so hard to understand?
APZonerunner
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When a source has been providing information solidly for several years, I'd like to think they know exactly what I'm going to do with it. They're not stupid. Quite the opposite, in fact.
The sentiment is right, though, and it varies from person to person - there's plenty of people I work with whose off-the-record conversations stay that way. I can't speak for Kagari in this case, but anything I say in public I'm certain - either from past history or from straight-up asking them - that the person who passed me the information is happy with me doing that with it. That's just common sense. If I burned every source I have by betraying trust or pissing them off I wouldn't have any information to begin with.
She was quite passive about it, she just said her source heard very differently, and look how it all turned out.Except Kagari and one other person right? Unnamed sources again too!
A rumor means it's from an unverified source, which is exactly what I said, a free pass from any journalistic standard.
As for them making it up, if they made it up, or they reported someone making it up makes no difference to their value as a source for anything. They're either liars, or echoing liars, one might be more morally valuable, but it's equally valueless to readers.
TheJollyCorner
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I read that in Jack Bauer's voice and am nodding my head in agreement!
Why are you so defensive? I wasn't talking to you, nor was I attacking anyone.
Yeah, some people expect it. I've had sources who didn't mind me posting on GAF but once people started taking my posts and making them into news stories, I felt the need to dial it back.
Ultimadrago
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This is what actually pissed me off, the rumor I don't care about, it inspired SE to say something about the game at least, it fired up VersusGAF and we've had nothing to talk about for a long time, but to act like Kotaku are victims of SE's ineffective PR is disgusting.
LOL I like how they think they are important enough to "demand" Square Enix's attention, such arrogance.
Also they've got their reply, why are they still complaining?
It's possible. Something small at TGS and then have Versus dominate Jump Festa in December.
APZonerunner
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I don't think the attitude from them is strictly necessary, but, again, I think it's really unfair to suggest they brazenly made this up. Kotaku is a lot of things, and they often post a lot of weird shit, but I don't think they're liars and fakers. They don't need to fabricate stories to build a readership - they have a massive, devoted readership.
Someone gave them information and they chose to believe it. That's the game you play with leaks and rumour, and they lost. That's how it goes. They misjudged. Judge them on that, not on it being fake, because I do think they believed what they wrote. They're good people.
With that said, the story is written in such a way that it suggests either a deeply embellishing source - stories of team morale and other things that only someone incredibly close would be aware of - or embellishment by them after the fact to inject drama into the story, which is not entirely ethical but very common. That's probably worth judging, too.
I will say Square Enix has been bizarre over this entire issue, though. I asked them for comment again today - after Wada's statement - and got "no comment" back. When I linked to Wada's statement, they wouldn't comment on that either. So in that sense I agree with the Kotaku set; what's the PR message meant to be here?
You know he has been involved with a lot of projects lately right? He is just taking a long time to release Versus sure, but still, Square would never let him go. I can't imagine FF without him lately (char. design and such). And don't forget KH.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
That's neither here nor there - the statement was "It doesn't matter what people on GAF think might be true, those people aren't claiming their sources told them. " - Kagari and Ap -are- saying the opposite and attributing to , rightly, unnamable sources. This is more about clearing up that statement - i appreciate the difference between running the story on a website and posting on GAF.
this. You have to expect that Brian Ashcraft -knows- a person or two. Plus - crap sources or not from ourside, this isn't exactly some new rumour. I would say that the timing of them picking up was a little curious but hey. I'd be lying if i said i particularly cared about FF or FFVersus so i'm just here for the free popcorn overspill
SolidSnakex
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And how exactly has he done that? He's repeatedly said that he wants to talk about it but he can't due to Square holding back on info. So, unless you think that he's just lying about that (and there's no reason to think that he is), then what is he doing to damage their reputation?
SE has PR people whose job it is to interface with the media, so SE really should have commented in some way when contacted. Even if all they said was that they didn't have anything to say, it would have been better than not responding.
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