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[IrishNinja]

I imagine that the small group that decided to boycott them would be balanced out by the small group that's now going to eat at Chick-Fil-A to show their stance against gay marriage. I don't really think their profits will change either way.

aside from pointing out which segment of the population should be freely ignored, im hoping this at least gets some small momentum going - i know you weren't keen on the boston mayor thing, but whether or not that goes down, at least it seems they're already starting to walk back those views a bit.

to the other posts on why you (x) and not (y & z):

i mean, again, for all i know, chicken kitchen down the road takes my money and uses it to curb-stomp pomeranians, but at least they're not bragging about it.

 

[Bladenic]

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

Now imagine if someone shut down your ability to get married and visit your partner in the hospital!

AW YEAHHHHHHH

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Holy shit...Does someone actually have a Death Note?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/la-fi-chick-fil-a-20120728,0,2303960.story?track=rss

Could you imagine doing his job? It'd be like being Baghdad Bob only you'd be saying "There is no bigots here" while Sarah Palin walks around your store lobby.

clucking awesome.

Is the marinating in pickle juice super necessary?

According to a Q&A with the chef you can use other "pickle" type juice (like peppercini juice) or just a plain old brine solution.

So how much money has CFA contributed to 'traditional family' groups? A couple of million?

Nike, Gildan, and pretty much ANY clothes or shoes (besides New Balance) brand has all of their product made over seas by children and other people under near-slave conditions. They make BILLIONS off the backs of children.

Apple and other electronics brands have their stuff made in equally horrible places. They make BILLIONS off of suffering.

You have to pick and choose your fights. A couple of million dollars contributed to some 'traditional family' group? I hardly can bat an eye at that in the grand scheme of things.

No, you don't. That is a logical fallacy of the highest order. There is nothing saying that if you chose not to support a company that is using its profits to fund bigoted groups that you must support a company or companies that use unfair labor. You can chose not to support either group, the world is not a Chose Your Own Adventure book, you have the freedom to chose your own path in life, including what you do and do not support. I choose not to support either, FYI.

 

[OriginalThinking]

You know what I find disturbing about this most of all? Some fifty years ago, blacks in the U.S. weren't even considered human beings able to marry outside their "race" or even drink from he same fountains. And still to this day, some parts of America are still like that. And here we are, today. And I'm watching as history yet unfolds again for homosexuals and seeing people actually defending the corporations and people denying them their rights. I'm seeing it and living it. It makes me sick to see pictures of Sarah Palin and her family smiling and prancing about, talking about morality when they fail at it being "moral" themselves.

I'm actually horrified knowing that there are still people alive who vehemently despise minorities and would kill them if they could get away with it. And "now", homosexuals are thrown into the mix. I really am glad that we have the ability to archive so much information now. Hopefully in the next 50 years or so, we can look back on these people with all the clear videos and words they utter and shame them for all eternity.

How utterly disgraceful. People are arguing about a companies rights, freedom of speech and all these things while ignoring the fact that even if they're not doing anything technically wrong. They are still bigots of the highest degree and exist within our midsts. We can discuss law and whatnot all day. But to see high level politicians, people who lead and people who could have lead "The greatest nation on Earth" proudly posting pictures and messages of their "support" for a company, and a company that has openly acknowledged to be against the rights of others is despicable. It makes me sick. To the people saying that they're not doing anything wrong, you're correct; they aren't. Not yet. Because I recall that randomly lynching black people, tossing every person of Japanese origin into camps, etc were perfectly fine too at one point.

Some of these people need to wake the fuck up and stop for a moment to think about what they're saying with their showing of support. You can have your "morals" all you damn well please. But don't push them on other people and stifle their lives. The difference between these two "groups" is one is advocating for people's ability to choose while the other is trying to restrict that ability. It doesn't matter your political beliefs, giving people a choice is good for all sides! People can choose to eat there if they want and support them. People can choose to ignore them. But only one side is actually fighting for choice for everyone. The Oreo story was about a company showing support for the rights of others. Not asking for them to remain buried or scrapped all together. There is a big fucking difference. And yet people are stupidly saying "Well what about my choice?" Unbelievable. What more choice do you want?! You can get married to anyone you want! You can move anywhere you want! You can say, eat whatever you want! What more do these people need to keep from others to make themselves feel worthwhile? It reeks of the highest level of GREED. Pure and simple. What type of morality do these people have that they would rather their fellow human beings suffer than to enjoy their lives fully? Shame on the Palin's and shame on anyone else who supports this company.

I can't believe how disgusting people are to be talking about chicken burger and fries as a mask to hide their true intentions. A fucking fast food item is not worth more than the rights of another person. And to those idiots saying that the people decrying these clowns aren't so "noble" or "fighting for every cause". You're damn well right they aren't. Because we recognize that we're not the fucking moral superiority and are human. Can we tackle Foxconn? No way. They're ingrained in every sector of the CE industry. It would take massive political pressure and the CHOICE to change for them to do so. But fucking chick-fil-a? They're in our midsts, they're easily noticeable and people can make the choice to raise their voice. We can't fight every damn battle, sure. But to say that we're wrong or some crap because the attention is focused on an easily identifiable entity is laughable.

Fuck the Palin's and fuck those people. How dare her and her putrid daughter expunge some wretched rotten lamb from her filthy crotch onto the world outside of marriage. Then turn around with their hollow, pale and ringing hearts void of all compassion and warmth, to grin from ear to ear, wickedly and contemptibly about morality? How dare they bring a child into this world and place their vile thoughts into such an innocent mind? How dare she have attempted to become vice president of the United States. To dance around the issue of gay marriage during her wolf in sheeps skin campaign . Only to limp back on her wicked heels when her accursed campaign failed to unravel her hideous and malformed hide onto the world?

I HATE THIS WOMAN AND PEOPLE LIKE HER, SO FUCKING MUCH! WHO THE HELL CAN SMILE LIKE THAT WHILE HURTING PEOPLE?!

Bravo sir. Bravo. My thoughts entirely. 50 years later we will look back on things like this and shake our heads at the discrimination and denial of choice against the gay community and feel ashamed about it.

 

[Bladenic]

Now imagine if someone shut down your ability to get married and visit your partner in the hospital!

AW YEAHHHHHHH

I would be pissed because the other choices are BK (ew), Sbaro's (ew), Quizno's (vomiting), and that's it.

What's this about hospital visits though?

 

[Trent Strong]

You know what I find disturbing about this most of all? Some fifty years ago, blacks in the U.S. weren't even considered human beings able to marry outside their "race" or even drink from he same fountains. And still to this day, some parts of America are still like that. And here we are, today. And I'm watching as history yet unfolds again for homosexuals and seeing people actually defending the corporations and people denying them their rights. I'm seeing it and living it. It makes me sick to see pictures of Sarah Palin and her family smiling and prancing about, talking about morality when they fail at it being "moral" themselves.

I'm actually horrified knowing that there are still people alive who vehemently despise minorities and would kill them if they could get away with it. And "now", homosexuals are thrown into the mix. I really am glad that we have the ability to archive so much information now. Hopefully in the next 50 years or so, we can look back on these people with all the clear videos and words they utter and shame them for all eternity.

How utterly disgraceful. People are arguing about a companies rights, freedom of speech and all these things while ignoring the fact that even if they're not doing anything technically wrong. They are still bigots of the highest degree and exist within our midsts. We can discuss law and whatnot all day. But to see high level politicians, people who lead and people who could have lead "The greatest nation on Earth" proudly posting pictures and messages of their "support" for a company, and a company that has openly acknowledged to be against the rights of others is despicable. It makes me sick. To the people saying that they're not doing anything wrong, you're correct; they aren't. Not yet. Because I recall that randomly lynching black people, tossing every person of Japanese origin into camps, etc were perfectly fine too at one point.

Some of these people need to wake the fuck up and stop for a moment to think about what they're saying with their showing of support. You can have your "morals" all you damn well please. But don't push them on other people and stifle their lives. The difference between these two "groups" is one is advocating for people's ability to choose while the other is trying to restrict that ability. It doesn't matter your political beliefs, giving people a choice is good for all sides! People can choose to eat there if they want and support them. People can choose to ignore them. But only one side is actually fighting for choice for everyone. The Oreo story was about a company showing support for the rights of others. Not asking for them to remain buried or scrapped all together. There is a big fucking difference. And yet people are stupidly saying "Well what about my choice?" Unbelievable. What more choice do you want?! You can get married to anyone you want! You can move anywhere you want! You can say, eat whatever you want! What more do these people need to keep from others to make themselves feel worthwhile? It reeks of the highest level of GREED. Pure and simple. What type of morality do these people have that they would rather their fellow human beings suffer than to enjoy their lives fully? Shame on the Palin's and shame on anyone else who supports this company.

I can't believe how disgusting people are to be talking about chicken burger and fries as a mask to hide their true intentions. A fucking fast food item is not worth more than the rights of another person. And to those idiots saying that the people decrying these clowns aren't so "noble" or "fighting for every cause". You're damn well right they aren't. Because we recognize that we're not the fucking moral superiority and are human. Can we tackle Foxconn? No way. They're ingrained in every sector of the CE industry. It would take massive political pressure and the CHOICE to change for them to do so. But fucking chick-fil-a? They're in our midsts, they're easily noticeable and people can make the choice to raise their voice. We can't fight every damn battle, sure. But to say that we're wrong or some crap because the attention is focused on an easily identifiable entity is laughable.

Fuck the Palin's and fuck those people. How dare her and her putrid daughter expunge some wretched rotten lamb from her filthy crotch onto the world outside of marriage. Then turn around with their hollow, pale and ringing hearts void of all compassion and warmth, to grin from ear to ear, wickedly and contemptibly about morality? How dare they bring a child into this world and place their vile thoughts into such an innocent mind? How dare she have attempted to become vice president of the United States. To dance around the issue of gay marriage during her wolf in sheeps skin campaign . Only to limp back on her wicked heels when her accursed campaign failed to unravel her hideous and malformed hide onto the world?

I HATE THIS WOMAN AND PEOPLE LIKE HER, SO FUCKING MUCH! WHO THE HELL CAN SMILE LIKE THAT WHILE HURTING PEOPLE?!

Oh snap.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

You know what I find disturbing about this most of all? Some fifty years ago, blacks in the U.S. weren't even considered human beings able to marry outside their "race" or even drink from he same fountains. And still to this day, some parts of America are still like that

Haha, NO.

You as a minority may do just as the white person does anywhere, and if the owner/naysayer says one thing.. so does the law.

 

[Timedog]

Wow, people bringing up completely separate issues about chinese labor and what not. If you're upset about completely separate issues (which you're not), make a thread about it.

Please, please, please explain how piss poor attempts at deflecting on the topic at hand suddenly make it okay to give money to bigots.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Haha, NO.

You as a minority may do just as the white person does anywhere, and if the owner/naysayer says one thing.. so does the law.

And in some places said law gets together with said owner/naysayer and puts on sheets and burns crosses in yards on the weekends. CrushDance is correct in what he said, there are still places where "civil rights" is just a term. Not as many as there once was, but don't believe for a minute that there isn't plenty of ignorant people who feel we got it wrong fifty years ago.

 

[Artemisia]

Who needs Chick-Fil-A when you have Zaxby's?

Spoiler

Was someone just banned for saying the ate a chick-fil-a or was it because of how they said it?

I would be pissed because the other choices are BK (ew), Sbaro's (ew), Quizno's (vomiting), and that's it.

What's this about hospital visits though?

If you were in a committed homosexual relationship you still may not be able to visit your partner in the hospital because visits can be restricted to spouses and family only.

 

[Link]

Chicken during Sex is the best of both worlds. Try it...fucking awesome

I find chicken to be the most sensual of all the fried meats.

 

[Kusagari]

No, you don't. That is a logical fallacy of the highest order. There is nothing saying that if you chose not to support a company that is using its profits to fund bigoted groups that you must support a company or companies that use unfair labor. You can chose not to support either group, the world is not a Chose Your Own Adventure book, you have the freedom to chose your own path in life, including what you do and do not support. I choose not to support either, FYI.

If you don't support companies that use child labor, then what are you using to post on this forum? It's almost impossible to find a company making electronics that doesn't.

 

[IrishNinja]

Spoiler

Was someone just banned for saying the ate a chick-fil-a or was it because of how they said it?

yeah, i think it's the latter - there's people who've said they eat there and it's fine, but the MMM THIS CHICKEN TASTES BETTER THAN YO RIGHTS group has made this thread a graveyard. i don't think most of them are missed.

If you don't support companies that use child labor, then what are you using to post on this forum? It's almost impossible to find a company making electronics that doesn't.

maybe he's posting from a library, no idea at all what you think that has to do with the issue at hand though.

 

[Z_Y]

You know what I find disturbing about this most of all? Some fifty years ago, blacks in the U.S. weren't even considered human beings able to marry outside their "race" or even drink from he same fountains. And still to this day, some parts of America are still like that. And here we are, today. And I'm watching as history yet unfolds again for homosexuals and seeing people actually defending the corporations and people denying them their rights. I'm seeing it and living it. It makes me sick to see pictures of Sarah Palin and her family smiling and prancing about, talking about morality when they fail at it being "moral" themselves.

I'm actually horrified knowing that there are still people alive who vehemently despise minorities and would kill them if they could get away with it. And "now", homosexuals are thrown into the mix. I really am glad that we have the ability to archive so much information now. Hopefully in the next 50 years or so, we can look back on these people with all the clear videos and words they utter and shame them for all eternity.

How utterly disgraceful. People are arguing about a companies rights, freedom of speech and all these things while ignoring the fact that even if they're not doing anything technically wrong. They are still bigots of the highest degree and exist within our midsts. We can discuss law and whatnot all day. But to see high level politicians, people who lead and people who could have lead "The greatest nation on Earth" proudly posting pictures and messages of their "support" for a company, and a company that has openly acknowledged to be against the rights of others is despicable. It makes me sick. To the people saying that they're not doing anything wrong, you're correct; they aren't. Not yet. Because I recall that randomly lynching black people, tossing every person of Japanese origin into camps, etc were perfectly fine too at one point.

Some of these people need to wake the fuck up and stop for a moment to think about what they're saying with their showing of support. You can have your "morals" all you damn well please. But don't push them on other people and stifle their lives. The difference between these two "groups" is one is advocating for people's ability to choose while the other is trying to restrict that ability. It doesn't matter your political beliefs, giving people a choice is good for all sides! People can choose to eat there if they want and support them. People can choose to ignore them. But only one side is actually fighting for choice for everyone. The Oreo story was about a company showing support for the rights of others. Not asking for them to remain buried or scrapped all together. There is a big fucking difference. And yet people are stupidly saying "Well what about my choice?" Unbelievable. What more choice do you want?! You can get married to anyone you want! You can move anywhere you want! You can say, eat whatever you want! What more do these people need to keep from others to make themselves feel worthwhile? It reeks of the highest level of GREED. Pure and simple. What type of morality do these people have that they would rather their fellow human beings suffer than to enjoy their lives fully? Shame on the Palin's and shame on anyone else who supports this company.

I can't believe how disgusting people are to be talking about chicken burger and fries as a mask to hide their true intentions. A fucking fast food item is not worth more than the rights of another person. And to those idiots saying that the people decrying these clowns aren't so "noble" or "fighting for every cause". You're damn well right they aren't. Because we recognize that we're not the fucking moral superiority and are human. Can we tackle Foxconn? No way. They're ingrained in every sector of the CE industry. It would take massive political pressure and the CHOICE to change for them to do so. But fucking chick-fil-a? They're in our midsts, they're easily noticeable and people can make the choice to raise their voice. We can't fight every damn battle, sure. But to say that we're wrong or some crap because the attention is focused on an easily identifiable entity is laughable.

Fuck the Palin's and fuck those people. How dare her and her putrid daughter expunge some wretched rotten lamb from her filthy crotch onto the world outside of marriage. Then turn around with their hollow, pale and ringing hearts void of all compassion and warmth, to grin from ear to ear, wickedly and contemptibly about morality? How dare they bring a child into this world and place their vile thoughts into such an innocent mind? How dare she have attempted to become vice president of the United States. To dance around the issue of gay marriage during her wolf in sheeps skin campaign . Only to limp back on her wicked heels when her accursed campaign failed to unravel her hideous and malformed hide onto the world?

I HATE THIS WOMAN AND PEOPLE LIKE HER, SO FUCKING MUCH! WHO THE HELL CAN SMILE LIKE THAT WHILE HURTING PEOPLE?!

This was....awesome!

 

[Shurs]

Once gays get the right to marry I'm going to take me a man to my nearest Chick-Fil-A and make out during lunch. Will be fun.

Why wait?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Now imagine if someone shut down your ability to get married and visit your partner in the hospital!

AW YEAHHHHHHH

lol

 

[Jintor]

You know what I find disturbing about this most of all? Some fifty years ago, blacks in the U.S. weren't even considered human beings able to marry outside their "race" or even drink from he same fountains. And still to this day, some parts of America are still like that. And here we are, today. And I'm watching as history yet unfolds again for homosexuals and seeing people actually defending the corporations and people denying them their rights. I'm seeing it and living it. It makes me sick to see pictures of Sarah Palin and her family smiling and prancing about, talking about morality when they fail at it being "moral" themselves.

I'm actually horrified knowing that there are still people alive who vehemently despise minorities and would kill them if they could get away with it. And "now", homosexuals are thrown into the mix. I really am glad that we have the ability to archive so much information now. Hopefully in the next 50 years or so, we can look back on these people with all the clear videos and words they utter and shame them for all eternity.

How utterly disgraceful. People are arguing about a companies rights, freedom of speech and all these things while ignoring the fact that even if they're not doing anything technically wrong. They are still bigots of the highest degree and exist within our midsts. We can discuss law and whatnot all day. But to see high level politicians, people who lead and people who could have lead "The greatest nation on Earth" proudly posting pictures and messages of their "support" for a company, and a company that has openly acknowledged to be against the rights of others is despicable. It makes me sick. To the people saying that they're not doing anything wrong, you're correct; they aren't. Not yet. Because I recall that randomly lynching black people, tossing every person of Japanese origin into camps, etc were perfectly fine too at one point.

Some of these people need to wake the fuck up and stop for a moment to think about what they're saying with their showing of support. You can have your "morals" all you damn well please. But don't push them on other people and stifle their lives. The difference between these two "groups" is one is advocating for people's ability to choose while the other is trying to restrict that ability. It doesn't matter your political beliefs, giving people a choice is good for all sides! People can choose to eat there if they want and support them. People can choose to ignore them. But only one side is actually fighting for choice for everyone. The Oreo story was about a company showing support for the rights of others. Not asking for them to remain buried or scrapped all together. There is a big fucking difference. And yet people are stupidly saying "Well what about my choice?" Unbelievable. What more choice do you want?! You can get married to anyone you want! You can move anywhere you want! You can say, eat whatever you want! What more do these people need to keep from others to make themselves feel worthwhile? It reeks of the highest level of GREED. Pure and simple. What type of morality do these people have that they would rather their fellow human beings suffer than to enjoy their lives fully? Shame on the Palin's and shame on anyone else who supports this company.

I can't believe how disgusting people are to be talking about chicken burger and fries as a mask to hide their true intentions. A fucking fast food item is not worth more than the rights of another person. And to those idiots saying that the people decrying these clowns aren't so "noble" or "fighting for every cause". You're damn well right they aren't. Because we recognize that we're not the fucking moral superiority and are human. Can we tackle Foxconn? No way. They're ingrained in every sector of the CE industry. It would take massive political pressure and the CHOICE to change for them to do so. But fucking chick-fil-a? They're in our midsts, they're easily noticeable and people can make the choice to raise their voice. We can't fight every damn battle, sure. But to say that we're wrong or some crap because the attention is focused on an easily identifiable entity is laughable.

Fuck the Palin's and fuck those people. How dare her and her putrid daughter expunge some wretched rotten lamb from her filthy crotch onto the world outside of marriage. Then turn around with their hollow, pale and ringing hearts void of all compassion and warmth, to grin from ear to ear, wickedly and contemptibly about morality? How dare they bring a child into this world and place their vile thoughts into such an innocent mind? How dare she have attempted to become vice president of the United States. To dance around the issue of gay marriage during her wolf in sheeps skin campaign . Only to limp back on her wicked heels when her accursed campaign failed to unravel her hideous and malformed hide onto the world?

I HATE THIS WOMAN AND PEOPLE LIKE HER, SO FUCKING MUCH! WHO THE HELL CAN SMILE LIKE THAT WHILE HURTING PEOPLE?!

Bra-fucking-vo.

 

[Triple U]

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

I know why obviously but it seems kind of wrong. Im pretty sure there are people making some kind of living working there. Just stop eating it if you don't want to support them.

 

[Seanspeed]

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

Excellent. It may not work out, but its good to see that enough people care. Always a good first step.

 

[Wilsongt]

I'm curious if their profits were hurt recently.

Unfortunately, the anti-gay marriage profit train is substantially bigger than the boycotting train...

 

[Dead Man]

I know why obviously but it seems kind of wrong. Im pretty sure there are people making some kind of living working there. Just stop eating it if you don't want to support them.

That's a pretty poor reason to want to keep a company around. All sorts of companies employ people.

 

[Gaborn]

That's a pretty poor reason to want to keep a company around. All sorts of companies employ people.

Yep. It's not like the space being used by CFA would be abandoned and not used for any new business at all. Some other fast food joint would probably take its place.

 

[Kad5]

This whole scenario is dumb considering the government shouldn't even be regulating marriage in the first place.

 

[KtSlime]

This whole scenario is dumb considering the government shouldn't even be regulating marriage in the first place.

You understand the ramifications of the government not regulating marriage right? Not that I disagree with you, but as long as married couples want special benefits they will have to stay in it.

 

[Triple U]

That's a pretty poor reason to want to keep a company around. All sorts of companies employ people.

Thats kind of a poor reason to try to shut them down too. Like I said, you don't have to eat there...

 

[WanderingWind]

I'm making my own spicy chicken sammich today. TBH, not going to Chick-Fil-A doesn't change my life too much, so it's easy to boycott. What, besides throwing money at the issue, are some active ways for us to get involved?

 

[lunch]

aside from pointing out which segment of the population should be freely ignored, im hoping this at least gets some small momentum going - i know you weren't keen on the boston mayor thing, but whether or not that goes down, at least it seems they're already starting to walk back those views a bit.

to the other posts on why you (x) and not (y & z):

i mean, again, for all i know, chicken kitchen down the road takes my money and uses it to curb-stomp pomeranians, but at least they're not bragging about it.

It seems like it has started some momentum, but that momentum has started protests from both sides. It's a lot easier for people who approve of Chick-Fil-A's views to show their support than it is for those of us who don't, so I don't know how effective me boycotting the restaurant (especially since I've never actually seen one of their stores) is going to be versus the people like Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum who will decide to support the restaurant even more. I hope they change their policies, but there are too many people who seem genuinely proud of Chick-Fil-A being vocal about gay marriage that I'm not going to hold my breath.

You take joy in the idea of Pomeranians being curb-stomped, don't you?

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

The college I'm going to be attending petitioned against having Chick-Fil-A on campus and was able to prevent them from starting a restaurant there. It made me proud of my college choice.

I'm making my own spicy chicken sammich today. TBH, not going to Chick-Fil-A doesn't change my life too much, so it's easy to boycott. What, besides throwing money at the issue, are some active ways for us to get involved?

I'd like to know this too. If you're gay or lesbian, you could do one of the kiss-ins, but I'm not sure how other people can actively show their stance, short of filling out comment cards (which probably won't be seen by anybody important).

 

[Bladenic]

Thats kind of a poor reason to try to shut them down too. Like I said, you don't have to eat there...

Exactly.

I doubt the petition will work though. It's been out for a week or more (not sure) but it only has 250 signatures and there are 26,000 students at my school. Of course it may be due to the fact it's summer vacation.

 

[empty vessel]

Why would boycotting Chick-Fil-A over the issue of gay rights necessitate that I should also boycott McDonald's because of the destruction of the rain forests? Leave aside the fact that I might not even consider one action as immoral as the other. I could make the argument that the best way to address opposition to gay rights is to bring pressure down to bear on the offending party, whereas the best way to address the rain forest question is in the policy arena, not necessarily by withholding my money from specific companies.

I just want to quote this because I think it's an important point. As a rule, I generally do not think boycotts are effective ways to regulate business behavior and prefer political organization to demand public legislation. So I will continue to patronize even companies that I think are acting unethically, because I think the solution to the problems lie elsewhere. But that does not mean that boycotts cannot be effective in certain contexts, and I think this is one of them. Even if the boycott itself fails to change the company's behavior, the noise being made over it only helps and constitutes a warning to other businesses looking to leverage and marshal their business earnings in the political arena. Sometimes it's good enough just raising hell, especially when it's loud.

 

[Kad5]

You understand the ramifications of the government not regulating marriage right? Not that I disagree with you, but as long as married couples want special benefits they will have to stay in it.

I suppose the government can regulate all kinds of things in the name of "benefits".

 

[Mercury Fred]

This whole scenario is dumb considering the government shouldn't even be regulating marriage in the first place.

I'm so fucking tired of this canard of an "argument." That's an entirely other discussion and an obfuscation of the issue at hand. To wit: people wanting the same rights that other people have isn't "dumb."

 

[KtSlime]

I suppose the government can regulate all kinds of things in the name of "benefits".

Yeah, that's kind of the point of government - Make sure everyone gets a voice in the regulations, when the popular voice is trampling on the rights of the minorities expand regulations to balance the power. Government is a collaborative tool to ensure the proper balance between freedom and security of its constituents.

 

[Kad5]

Of course I believe in equal rights. It's such a shame that the government allows this discrimination to take place and be ALLOWED legally. I think the idea of these anti-gay organizations trying to reform the regulations to make a federal prohibition against gay marriage is "dumb". Marriage should be neutral in all aspects.

Yeah, that's kind of the point of government - Make sure everyone gets a voice in the regulations, when the popular voice is trampling on the rights of the minorities expand regulations to balance the power. Government is a collaborative tool to ensure the proper balance between freedom and security of its constituents.

I will also point out that the definition of a "state" (how most government institutions are) is an institution with a monopoly on the use of force.

So the fundamental purpose of the state is to have this monopoly whether it is efficient at using it or not.

So the primary function of the state isn't necessarily to benefit people. People can attempt to make such a state but there are implications to consider such as the Iron Law of Oligarchy.

 

[Demon Ice]

Haha, NO.

You as a minority may do just as the white person does anywhere, and if the owner/naysayer says one thing.. so does the law.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/19125864/black-wedding-banned-by-baptist-church

 

[CrushDance]

Haha, NO.

You as a minority may do just as the white person does anywhere, and if the owner/naysayer says one thing.. so does the law.

Just because people are equal in the law, does not man that they're equal in reality. Did you miss the recent thread about how two black people, not even black and something else; were denied their marriage ceremony in a Mississippi Church? You can't sign equality into law. It takes time and personal as well as societal growth to recognize the worth of others.


Edit: Beaten

 

[metalslimer]

This whole scenario is dumb considering the government shouldn't even be regulating marriage in the first place.

Why shouldn't they? Marriage was never owned by religion. And gay people can still get religiously married if they want. They just don't get any of the benefits.

 

[Wilsongt]

Augh. Why is it when a pro-gay organization/people get upset about bigotry and stupidity and tries to do something about it it is considered "pushing an agenda", "shoving their beliefs down our throats" and "going after me and my children", yet when an organization is clearly going towards an anti-gay agenda it is applauded?

 

[IrishNinja]

This whole scenario is dumb considering the government shouldn't even be regulating marriage in the first place.

this is a pretty tired talking point - if civil unions for everyone was even on the table for the last 5+ years, we wouldn't be having this conversation. it's gained exactly the same amount of ground in that time, too.

You take joy in the idea of Pomeranians being curb-stomped, don't you?

Spoiler

you know, a few years ago, maybe. they're annoying!
but then i had to dog-sit one for a few weeks and got attached. now i kinda want one, and will definitely not tolerate such brutality towards them.

I will also point out that the definition of a "state" (how most government institutions are) is an institution with a monopoly on the use of force.

So the fundamental purpose of the state is to have this monopoly whether it is efficient at using it or not.

So the primary function of the state isn't necessarily to benefit people. People can attempt to make such a state but there are implications to consider such as the Iron Law of Oligarchy.

congratulations, you read the first few chapters of Leviathan! keep reading, Hobbes makes some important points if ou continue.

 

[Jea Song]

How many times is homosexuality referenced in the bible. Allot of things are said in the bible. But why do Christians cherry pick which ones they want to obey and others they completely ignore? I know this isn't a religious thread but isn't religion the stem of this topic?

People can believe in an invisible sky god and read an ancient book written thousands of years ago all they want, but it's when they start pushing it to me is where lies the problem.

It seems the republicans are on this side of the issues but ever consider they don't give a crap about morals, who's gay, who's illegal, but only say the things they say to get votes because a huge portion of the population think this way?

 

[LuCkymoON]

Why would boycotting Chick-Fil-A over the issue of gay rights necessitate that I should also boycott McDonald's because of the destruction of the rain forests? Leave aside the fact that I might not even consider one action as immoral as the other. I could make the argument that the best way to address opposition to gay rights is to bring pressure down to bear on the offending party, whereas the best way to address the rain forest question is in the policy arena, not necessarily by withholding my money from specific companies.

I actually don't know if McDonalds has any connection to the destruction of the rain forests, but there was a campaign a few years ago that caused Nestle to cave on the issue of palm oil, so that sort of thing isn't unprecedented. On a more general level, though, I think we know why this issue, more than any other, has touched a huge nerve: gay rights is a lot more personal for most people.

The rain forest is fucked, it's a Brazilian issue and unless we plan on taken over their country we should let it go.

 

[LaserBuddha]

It seems the republicans are on this side of the issues but ever consider they don't give a crap about morals, who's gay, who's illegal, but only say the things they say to get votes because a huge portion of the population think this way?

There are true believers out there, but I don't think the Bohemian Grove-league politicians really care about these kinds of social issues.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

There's a petition to shut down the Chik Fil A on my campus. I will be pissed if it works.

Poor fucking baby. Now you might get to feel 1/50th of what homosexuals in states where gay marriage isn't legal go through daily.

 

[Wilsongt]

Poor fucking baby. Now you might get to feel 1/50th of what homosexuals in states where gay marriage isn't legal go through daily.

Psst. I think Chris25 is gay... Unless he is one of those rare, elusive, straight guys who is part of PopGAF.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

yeah, i think it's the latter - there's people who've said they eat there and it's fine, but the MMM THIS CHICKEN TASTES BETTER THAN YO RIGHTS group has made this thread a graveyard. i don't think most of them are missed.

hopefully it's perma

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Psst. I think Chris25 is gay... Unless he is one of those rare, elusive, straight guys who is part of PopGAF.

Well I don't know what to think then. Excuse me while I shoot bottle rockets into my shower.

 

[speculawyer]

It seems the republicans are on this side of the issues but ever consider they don't give a crap about morals, who's gay, who's illegal, but only say the things they say to get votes because a huge portion of the population think this way?

This is exactly what they do. It is called demagoguery.


You ever notice that abortion never gets banned, pornography never gets banned, the culture keeps becoming more liberal, etc. But those taxes do get cut, the regulations get slashed, the wars they want get started, etc. The culture war stuff is mostly window dressing, the plutocracy is real.

 

[Gaborn]

This is exactly what they do. It is called demagoguery.


You ever notice that abortion never gets banned, pornography never gets banned, the culture keeps becoming more liberal, etc. But those taxes do get cut, the regulations get slashed, the wars they want get started, etc. The culture war stuff is mostly window dressing, the plutocracy is real.

I completely agree with you but you're also only telling half the story if you're only blaming the Republicans. Remember the outrage among liberals and libertarians with the PATRIOT Act? The TSA? The FISA bill that gave immunity to the Telecomms for disclosing personal information of their customers? Remember how that all faded when Obama became President? I think that there is too much temptation to focus on one side and make it a partisan issue but BOTH parties support things that their rhetoric may belie.

 

[killertofu]

One of my friends put
"support chick fil a on august 1st? I WILL BE THERE."

Sigh.

 

[jstevenson]

I just don't understand the strategy here. Chik-Fil-A is an organization so principled it gives up millions of dollars a year to be closed on Sunday. What's the purpose of the boycott/kiss-ins/demonstrations? To hurt their revenue? They aren't motivated by that. If their revenue goes down, it's probably a badge of honor to them for sticking to their principles. If it stays the same or goes up (which I think is more likely due to exposure / riling up the religious right), then it reinforces their principles to them even more.

Folks have every right to protest (and Chik Fil A has every right to support the politicians / policies / principles - as long as they don't discriminate in their stores or break the law - yay 1st amendement), but regardless, it feels like it's a lot of effort that isn't really going to hurt or effect chik-fil-a, and even if it does, chik-fil-a would rather be hurt sticking to its principles than break from them for the sake of business expediency.

I guess I just don't get it. Feels like all the effort would be better spent going towards demonstrations to change / law and policy instead of going after the chicken stand that's closed on Sunday. Maybe it's just the culture war.