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[D-e-f-]

But I'll want to run my Wii U through HDMI to get the best video quality, but it won't be much fun transferring over my VC purchases if they can't be played, especially on the same signal everyone else is likely to be using by this point.

I don't see why they wouldn't work all of a sudden just because you're outputting through a different kind of cable.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Not if you want it to output DTS

Edit: sorry, hit post before I finished, was going to say...

Not if you want output DTS-MA/Dolby True HD But if your receiver can decode True HD/DTS-MA then HDMI will be best, but if not then you'll want an optical cable to achieve best results.

HDMI can output anything optical can, there's no reason to ever use optical if you have a device that accepts audio through HDMI.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

Right now we know of FOUR Japanese developed third party games:

DQX (announced in 2011 when the Wii version was detailed- absolutely nothing further)

NG3 (announced at E3 2011)

Tekken (announced at E3 2011)

and Tanks (announced at E3 2012).

So basically in the last year we have seen the announcement of 1 game- Tanks, a low profile arcade port.

That is why I am expecting a lot of new game announcements in the next few weeks coming out of Japan. There simply has to be a lot more coming.

Really hope you're right schuelma.

 

[PuppetSlave]

But I'll want to run my Wii U through HDMI to get the best video quality, but it won't be much fun transferring over my VC purchases if they can't be played, especially on the same signal everyone else is likely to be using by this point.

Is this the issue you where talking about?

http://www.vc-forums.com/wii/2102-list-vc-titles-supporting-wii-component-cable-interlace-mode.html

That thread talks about a temporary fix Nintendo did so maybe that means Nintendo is aware of the upcoming issue and will make it work with the Wii U's HDMI? Probably not, lol.

 

[Hakai]

Not sure if Nintendo is holding a bunch of info, or they just don't have this much of info to show us.

 

[Aostia]

Wait, Nintendo will be at PAX Prime ? Okay, given how there's been not a single Wii U event in Europe (and that they ignored Gamescom) I'll join the pessimists and say Wii U won't be out in Europe this year. Or maybe they just don't give a fuck about us and know they'll get away with treating us bad anyway. It's not as if we pay more for our games and systems anyway*...

*Excluding Australians. They get treated even worse.

Nintendo skipped Gamescon very often, and this year they DID (or are doing) press event to promote Wii U (and 3DS) post E3.
I attended one of those in Italy.

 

[AOC83]

Not sure if Nintendo is holding a bunch of info, or they just don't have this much of info to show us.

If they had something they´d already shown it.

 

[schuelma]

Really hope you're right schluema.

Well, Iwata tweeted at E3 that Japanese 3rd party efforts would be revealed along with launch details, so we know something is coming. Also remember that Japan is very different from the U.S. in terms of announcing and releasing games. Last year for example, MH Tri G was announced in mid-September and released that same December.

I'm not expecting many megaton-ish exclusive titles or anything, but I expect a lot of HD ports like the rumored Orochi 2 and others.

 

[Sadist]

Has there been no Japanese developer announcements yet?

What Shuelma said and well... Capcom said they would announce a Wii U game very soon.

 

[The_Lump]

HDMI can output anything optical can, there's no reason to ever use optical if you have a device that accepts audio through HDMI.

Sorry, I've edited my original post immensely as I'm a few years behind on my info! Older PS3 models would only output encoded Dolby True HD over HDMI. So if your receiver couldn't decode it you were stuffed.

It would however output decoded True HD over Optical, so of you had an older/lower priced reveiver it wouldnt have to decode it.

They've fixed this now though.

Edit: Ignore all of this I'm talking sh*t. It's been so long since I researched all of this! HDMI ALL THE WAY!

 

[Dreamwriter]

I think people misunderstand what I mean. I'm not talking about upscaling Wii games, I'm talking about the Virtual Console games like Sonic The Hedgehog that won't play if you use a component cable. This may be, as I suspect, a European-only issue, but it exists and I'm wondering what will happen to those games if HDMI becomes the standard on the Wii U.

That's a really old problem, that happened with the oldest VC games; most games that had that issue should have been fixed by now. Not sure if Sonic specifically has, though.

Sorry, I've edited my original post immensely as I'm a few years behind on my info! Older PS3 models would only output encoded Dolby True HD over HDMI. So if your receiver couldn't decode it you were stuffed.

It would however output decoded True HD over Optical, so of you had an older/lower priced reveiver it wouldnt have to decode it.

They've fixed this now though.

But it would still output Dolby Digital or DTS over HDMI. And optical can't handle Dolby True HD's quality for anything more than just stereo, so it wouldn't have been worth it to output over optical since you'd be losing surround.

 

[D-e-f-]

Well, has there been any "experience tour" in Europe so far ? Has Nintendo themselves been at any European convention with Wii U so far ? My impression is that the answer on both is no.

We've had several "Wii U experience" events in the US and Nintendo has been at several conventions, nothing even remotely similar in Europe so far. I must admit I'm not sure how the situation is for Japan.

So far? No. The only public EU event they were at was Japan Expo in France back in July. They also had another press event in June but I guess that doesn't count.

http://www.lightningamer.com/?p=15208

It should be safe to assume they're going to start with these tours closer to launch. Europe is a very different situation since Nintendo has local offices in all "relevant" countries and since North America is crazy with game-centric conventions it makes far more sense to start the hype train earlier since they have more ground to cover.

Oh and there was also this event in Spain that spawned that one interview with the guy talking about possibly playing Wii games on the GamePad's sensor bar with Wiimotes but I don't know if that was a press event or a public event. (probably the former).

So just relax and don't panic because the lack of information doesn't necessarily mean bad things for launch. So far all they've said is global launch in 2012. Anything else is pointless speculation at this point.

You may also want to consider that they probably can't just ship around hundreds of demo units all over the world at the same time before the system is out.

 

[Aostia]

They had Wii U press events in Europe ? Well, seems like I have to take back what I said. I wasn't so much surprised they skipped Gamescom, but rather that - unlike when they did last time - they didn't have any public Wii (U) events. I think last time they had some Wii tour (in Germany).

So far? No. The only public EU event they were at was Japan Expo in France back in July. They also had another press event in June but I guess that doesn't count.

http://www.lightningamer.com/?p=15208

It should be safe to assume they're going to start with these tours closer to launch. Europe is a very different situation since Nintendo has local offices in all "relevant" countries and since North America is crazy with game-centric conventions it makes far more sense to start the hype train earlier since they have more ground to cover.

Oh and there was also this event in Spain that spawned that one interview with the guy talking about possibly playing Wii games on the GamePad's sensor bar with Wiimotes but I don't know if that was a press event or a public event. (probably the former).

So just relax and don't panic because the lack of information doesn't necessarily mean bad things for launch. So far all they've said is global launch in 2012. Anything else is pointless speculation at this point.

Yes, I agree. In Europe we had post e3 press event, apart from the French "open" one.
this plus the lack of "Experience tour" in Japan should be enough to say that, up to now, considering the official statements, Wii U will come out within the end of the year also in PAL regions.

 

[Always-honest]

How good are projectors these days? I was playing with the idea to buy one for a while now, but my experiences with those mainly came from work (university projectors) and they were all pretty shit when it came to colours, contrast, sharpness and noise.

There are Very good ones and the there have been for years now. You need to dive in to it a bit and not just buy one out of the blue ofcourse. And for most projectors it has to be dark in your room. Quality wise, hdmi makes a big difference over the analog signals that were used in the past.

My plasma (big panasonic full Hd) is better in colour and blackvalues (that's a given), but the projector makes up in pure experience. Movies, tv shows, sports, photographs and games are way more immersive.

I'd recommend it to anyone. Most people are in awe and surprised by the quality.

Anyway, read about it online and see if it is something you might like.

 

[bgassassin]

Link.

Means nothing. Just a rehash of stuff from a year ago.

If they had something they´d already shown it.

You are Luckyguy aren't you. He's the only person I've seen on GAF that would go out of his way to make posts like this about Nintendo.

 

[EuroMIX]

Maybe the WiiU firmware will handle/emulate it, who knows. If you have a free scart, AV composite then leave it plugged in and just swap the HMDI lead out at the back of the U when you want to play VC. Best way if worst comes to the worst?

It's not been as much of a problem with the Wii seeing as it only really affected certain games and I mostly used composite for a long time. But gradually trying out component and even HDMI and losing the ability to play my VC library makes me worried what will happen to these games when the Wii U's primary output will be HDMI.

Constantly switching cables isn't exactly ideal.

Is this the issue you where talking about?

http://www.vc-forums.com/wii/2102-list-vc-titles-supporting-wii-component-cable-interlace-mode.html

That thread talks about a temporary fix Nintendo did so maybe that means Nintendo is aware of the upcoming issue and will make it work with the Wii U's HDMI? Probably not, lol.

Yes. Only certain games were ever updated. Games like Sonic 1 still won't work.

 

[Aostia]

Well, Iwata tweeted at E3 that Japanese 3rd party efforts would be revealed along with launch details, so we know something is coming. Also remember that Japan is very different from the U.S. in terms of announcing and releasing games. Last year for example, MH Tri G was announced in mid-September and released that same December.

I'm not expecting many megaton-ish exclusive titles or anything, but I expect a lot of HD ports like the rumored Orochi 2 and others.

You already know what I'm about to post, right? ;p

 

[Kacho]

Heh, I knew a Nintendo Direct was coming. No way was Nintendo going to abandon their bimonthly schedule. 3DS only (Wii too lol) as expected, but I would like to throw my hat in the 'Iwata announces Japan WiiU conference at ND' bowl.

Spoiler

hey guys I mentioned Nintendo Direct yesterday, so I must have inside information even though it was bound to happen!

Yep, good call. I hope we receive word of a NoA ND later today as well. If Nintendo announces an October Fatal Frame 2 release as well as MHTriG it will be good times. I need both!

 

[The_Lump]

That's a really old problem, that happened with the oldest VC games; most games that had that issue should have been fixed by now. Not sure if Sonic specifically has, though.



But it would still output Dolby Digital or DTS over HDMI. And optical can't handle Dolby True HD's quality for anything more than just stereo, so it wouldn't have been worth it to output over optical since you'd be losing surround.

Yep, sorry you are correct. I've got myself totally mixed up. Think I need a drink.

 

[AOC83]

You are Luckyguy aren't you. He's the only person I've seen on GAF that would go out of his way to make posts like this about Nintendo.

No i´m not. And i don´t really know what you mean with "posts like this". Care to elaborate?

 

[The_Lump]

Heresy. The PS3 audio output is insanely high quality and deserves HDMI.

You are correct, my bad.

 

[Agent Unknown]

 

[mimho]

oh sorry, I didn't quote that right.

I meant the possible leaked date. I think that got covered in the old thread yesterday.

No problem , easy that i've not noticed, too many posts and so little time.

 

[chris3116]

Right now we know of FOUR Japanese developed third party games:

DQX (announced in 2011 when the Wii version was detailed- absolutely nothing further)

NG3 (announced at E3 2011)

Tekken (announced at E3 2011)

and Tanks (announced at E3 2012).

So basically in the last year we have seen the announcement of 1 game- Tanks, a low profile arcade port.

That is why I am expecting a lot of new game announcements in the next few weeks coming out of Japan. There simply has to be a lot more coming.

You forgot P-100 made by Platinum games.

 

[schuelma]

You forgot P-100 made by Platinum games.

That list is 3rd party.

 

[Aostia]

Yeah, probably right (even though I don't quite agree with everything you/D-e-f wrote). I mean it seems insane to miss out on Christmas, there's just too much money to be made. That said I do find the lack of public events or information a bit frustrating, so hopefully we'll get confirmation of all Wii U release dates at the conference. I guess the focus lies on the US because any events there create significantly more media coverage than something in Europe.

Well, but you have to consider that there have been no Japan open event, too.
So, do you think it will miss Japan launch too?
I don't think so.

 

[1-UP]

Means nothing. Just a rehash of stuff from a year ago.

So, official press release means nothing?

IBM Microprocessors to Power the New Wii U System from Nintendo

ARMONK, N.Y., June 7, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- IBM (NYSE: IBM) today announced that it will provide the microprocessors that will serve as the heart of the new Wii U™ system from Nintendo. Unveiled today at the E3 trade show, Nintendo plans for its new console to hit store shelves in 2012.

The all-new, Power-based microprocessor will pack some of IBM's most advanced technology into an energy-saving silicon package that will power Nintendo's brand new entertainment experience for consumers worldwide. IBM's unique embedded DRAM, for example, is capable of feeding the multi-core processor large chunks of data to make for a smooth entertainment experience.

IBM plans to produce millions of chips for Nintendo featuring IBM Silicon on Insulator (SOI) technology at 45 nanometers (45 billionths of a meter). The custom-designed chips will be made at IBM's state-of-the-art 300mm semiconductor development and manufacturing facility in East Fishkill, N.Y.

The relationship between IBM and Nintendo dates to May 1999, when IBM was selected to design and manufacture the central microprocessor for the Nintendo GameCube™ system. Since 2006, IBM has shipped more than 90 million chips for Nintendo Wii systems.

"IBM has been a terrific partner for many years. We truly value IBM's commitment to support Nintendo in delivering an entirely new kind of gaming and entertainment experience for consumers around the world," said Genyo Takeda, Senior Managing Director, Integrated Research and Development, at Nintendo Co., Ltd.

"We're very proud to have delivered to Nintendo consistent technology advancements for three generations of entertainment consoles," said Elmer Corbin, director, IBM's custom chip business. "Our relationship with Nintendo underscores our unique position in the industry -- how we work together with clients to help them leverage IBM technology, intellectual property and research to drive innovation into their own core products."

Built on the open, scalable Power Architecture base, IBM custom processors exploit the performance and power advantages of proven silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology. The inherent advantages of the technology make it a superior choice for performance-driven applications that demand exceptional, power-efficient processing capability – from entertainment consoles to supercomputers.

45 nm SOI... POWER7.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

That list is 3rd party.

Ninja Gaiden 3 probably shouldn't count then, either.

 

[schuelma]

Ninja Gaiden 3 probably shouldn't count then, either.

I suppose, though I think it is a different scenario than P-100.

Any insights as to what to expect from Japanese 3rd parties?

 

[miksar]

That list is 3rd party.

P-100 is 3rd party. Nintendo doesn't own Platinum, it only publishes its game.

 

[schuelma]

P-100 is 3rd party. Nintendo doesn't own Platinum, it only publishes its game.

I realize that. But Platinum is not a 3rd party Japanese publisher, which was what I was trying to show.

 

[Javier]

Hoo boy. September 13 can't come soon enough.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I suppose, though I think it is a different scenario than P-100.

Any insights as to what to expect from Japanese 3rd parties?

Parity+

 

[WillyFive]

P-100 is 3rd party. Nintendo doesn't own Platinum, it only publishes its game.

That would make it 2nd party.

 

[schuelma]

Parity+

So..enhanced HD ports galore and possibly a nice original title or two?

 

[The_Lump]

So, official press release means nothing?



45 nm SOI... POWER7.

Just says Power Based and Power Architecture. No mention of Power7 unless I'm missing it?

 

[miksar]

That would make it 2nd party.

2nd party is for partially-owned developers, if I remember correctly. Rare used to be 2nd party.

 

[nordique]

So, official press release means nothing?

45 nm SOI... POWER7.

I don't know how long you've been following the Wii U threads here but I am going to side with bg on this one.

A lot of this discussion regarding the CPU happened way back, especially last fall and early this year...we still don't know 100% and likely won't until we get concrete tear downs and spec details but don't be so certain with it being a POWER7

If anything, I'd go with bg's opinion. I'm not disregarding your point or anything, because it might very well be the case, but so far it doesn't seem like it.

That press release is fairly vague, too.

 

[bgassassin]

^ I don't think some know the original WUST started as a POWER7 thread.

No i´m not. And i don´t really know what you mean with "posts like this". Care to elaborate?

I only went through three pages of history and I'm ignoring things said in the Remedy thread since that was semi-on topic.

Just like Nintendo.

WiiU is going to bomb.

The little arrow will take you to the thread for context on the first one. And you don't have that many post yet, but you're already establishing an identity.

So, official press release means nothing?



45 nm SOI... POWER7.

When IBM uses Power (not in all caps) that means it can either be PowerPC or POWER. If they used POWER (all caps) then there would be no denying it would be POWER7-based. Also the PowerPC 476FP some of us have talked about is also on 45nm SOI. PowerPC A2 is on 45nm SOI, but it's an in-order processor.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I realize that. But Platinum is not a 3rd party Japanese publisher, which was what I was trying to show.

This platinum project isn't technically first or third party. So yea, Platinum isn't owned by Nintendo but the IP is going to be owned by Nintendo, which means I hope Toilet Bowl Man ends up in Smash 4.

 

[nordique]

^ I don't think some know the original WUST started as a POWER7 thread.

memory lane?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434824


for anyone who is just joining in the Wii U party, this is where it really kicked off imo

Its a good look back at some of the initial discussions regarding tech and whatnot. Some really funny things back then.

edit: actually, its interesting to read over some of the industry quotes within the context of what we know today

 

[DaSorcerer7]

memory lane?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434824


for anyone who is just joining in the Wii U party, this is where it really kicked off imo

Its a good look back at some of the initial discussions regarding tech and whatnot. Some really funny things back then.

Good times.

 

[AOC83]

I only went through three pages of history and I'm ignoring things said in the Remedy thread since that was semi-on topic.

The little arrow will take you to the thread for context on the first one. And you don't have that many post yet, but you're already establishing an identity.

I only expressed my opinion that a) i´m not really fond of Nintendos "Wii-Strategy" which they continue with the WiiU and b) i don´t expect them to be successful with it a second time.

I´m probably not the only one who feels this way and i also don´t see where the problem lies with this. If you don´t like my opinion, fine, but you should rather try to argue than accusing me of being person xy then.

 

[bgassassin]

memory lane?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434824


for anyone who is just joining in the Wii U party, this is where it really kicked off imo

Its a good look back at some of the initial discussions regarding tech and whatnot. Some really funny things back then.

edit: actually, its interesting to read over some of the industry quotes within the context of what we know today

Haha. After removing the POWER7 stuff to make room for news bits, some of early posts seem out of place.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Yep, good call. I hope we receive word of a NoA ND later today as well. If Nintendo announces an October Fatal Frame 2 release as well as MHTriG it will be good times. I need both!

I don't see Fatal Frame 2 coming to America, but it would indeed make for a nice October release. MHTriG should eventually come over, and this seems like a good place as ever to announce it (if there is a NOA ND).

The Nintendo Direct to get really excited for is the December one. Unless Nintendo announces its Spring WiiU lineup on Sept. 13th, December ND is the best time to do it. The October one should be outlining the remaining titles coming this holiday for the 3DS, and a more in-depth look at what will be launching this holiday season for WiiU.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Project 100 looks so fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr4D4YZQ9uY

And playing Mario as your Mii is an inspired idea. Metroid needs to happen sooner than later - having the map and quick touch access to items on the controller screen would be great.

The only question - black or white? I generally prefer white, but that shiny black finish is so slick...

 

[bgassassin]

I only expressed my opinion that a) i´m not really fond of Nintendos "Wii-Strategy" which they continue with the WiiU and b) i don´t expect them to be successful with it a second time.

I´m probably not the only one who feels this way and i also don´t see where the problem lies with this. If you don´t like my opinion, fine, but you should rather try to argue than accusing me of being person xy then.

I'll put it to you like this to help you out then. People who post like that don't last long on GAF. Your points don't fit the context of those posts. If you want your posts to be taken as what you are saying in those points, then you should do a better job of making them equivalent. As for arguing them, there's nothing to argue because they come off as being nothing more than trolling. I don't have an issue with you having a differing opinion on Wii U or anything else. But the way you are going on about it will get old very quick.

 

[MadeInBeats]

So were the words Power7, Power-PC, Power-Based ever banded around with the Wii's CPU?

 

[chris3116]

This platinum project isn't technically first or third party. So yea, Platinum isn't owned by Nintendo but the IP is going to be owned by Nintendo, which means I hope Toilet Bowl Man ends up in Smash 4.

We don't know if Nintendo will own or already own this IP. For me, it's a Platinum games IP which it is a Japanese developer support (so 3rd party) even if Nintendo publishes the game.

Nintendo published many games in the past that they don't own the IP. Recently, there was Dragon Quest 9 on DS and Monster Hunter Tri on Wii. Could they count as Japanese support?

 

[schuelma]

Nintendo published many games in the past that they don't own the IP. Recently, there was Dragon Quest 9 on DS and Monster Hunter Tri on Wii. Could they count as Japanese support?

Dragon Quest was published in the West by Nintendo, most likely as part of the deal between Nintendo and SE.

MH Tri I believe was published by Nintendo in Europe but was published by Capcom in Japan and the U.S.

This is such a minor point in the end, but Nintendo publishing a game by a 3rd party *developer* is really significantly different from the examples you mention.

My initial point was to show how so far there has been virtual silence from Japanese *publishers* and how that means we should expect a lot of announcements in 2 weeks. I don't think P-100 is really relevant.