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Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)

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You know, gamers/developers always SAY this, but I never see it.

Better AI, they say. Except enemies are almost always dumb as shit to this day.

Better controls, they say. Except some of games still have laggy control.

More immersion, they say. Except I can practically see the invisible script barriers I cross that triggers the enemy spawns and story events.

Let's face it. The tech goes towards the presentation. For all we talk about tech improving games, all I'm seeing is the same games with more shaders.

Better go watch that new Last of Us demo then....
 

Mikey Jr.

Member
If Bayonetta 2 was truly cancelled and Nintendo stepped in to save it, they deserve the exclusivity.

I don't give a flying fuck about Bayonetta, but good on Nintendo for getting it.

Wonder how it's going to sell though. Small install base, plus a sequel to a game that wasn't even on the Wii.
 
To expand on my earlier mixed feelings:
- the exclusivity rubbed me the wrong way because any sane person would prefer a game they want to be on hardware they own. The BG3 analogy earlier is an apt one. As people have said earlier, that was never a choice because the exclusivity is a result of the game even existing at all. Which is amazing in itself.
- honestly, if the game had been PS360 and Kamiya had been confirmed as not directing it, the news would have given me mixed feelings. Why? Because I bought DMC2 on release. I know the situations are different but that would have been my knee jerk reaction anyway.

The bottom line is that I hope the game is good, if it's as good as the first game, it will be reason enough for me to buy the console eventually. Hell, buying any console is always a when, not an if for me. There's just a sweet value spot where price and differentiating features intersect that has to be reached.
 
have I said something wierd?

getting a few wierd replies.

It isn't wrong to want this game on other systems is it?

Also it isn't right to say it's awesome that the game is exclusive to one console and others can't play it, is it?

I think the poster you're talking was excited the game is actually being made considering it was cancelled before.
 
You've got that backwards. Zombi U is ABSOLUTELY remaining exclusive; you just can't do most of those controller things on other systems. Rayman? That might be going to another system.

Rayman will absolutely end up on an Xbox, possibly with SmartGlass tech. ZombiU is the Wii U's Red Steel (except good, probably).
 

Margalis

Banned
Anyway, this is getting off-topic. The thing is, Bayo 2 will flop, much smaller install base combined with being the sequel of a hardcore game that was on the competitions' systems... don't see how Bayo 2 will do well, at all. Only the Nintendo PR connection can save it.

As a gamer do you only buy games that you think other people are going to buy, or do you buy games because they are good and you want to play them?

It may flop. If it does that in no way prevents me from enjoying it.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
why is that awesome?

It pleases you that others can't play a 3rd party game on their console of choice?

Also does anyone find it wierd how nintendo is changing their direction with the wiiU?
I thought Nintendo were only about family friendly games.

I would submit that a reason why people are happy isn't to deny others a game, but because this is the kind of bold steps Nintendo needs to be taking. The critical thing to understand, that so many people just don't seem to be getting, is this:

Bayonetta was dead.

Nobody was getting it, anywhere.

Nintendo apparently saved the game. Nobody else was interested. Now to be fair, with how people tend to think, we really would have seen a similar reaction if say Sony or Microsoft had paid to take over funding Bayonetta and published it, as it would then still be exclusive to one console. But it would still be a situation of "either the game is exclusive or the franchise dies."

As for Nintendo's direction, this is what they said they were going to do when Wii U was first revealed. And this new perception of Nintendo as "casual" and "family only" is purely a meme from this generation.

Before the Wii, Nintendo straddled both sides. It was Nintendo who funded and published Eternal Darkness on Gamecube. Nintendo who supported initiatives like Resident Evil 4 on GC. And so forth. With Wii, Nintendo focused more on the expanded audience and people who don't play stereotypical hardcore games. This created the meme that Nintendo = casual/family only.

Wii U is actually restoring the balance Nintendo had previously moved towards. They seem to be making the correct motions now, to live up to the idea of content being balanced for all audiences. And to be truthful that's one thing that arguably only Nintendo could do, because Nintendo is the only company that takes seriously audiences other than 20-30 year old male North American gamers. Microsoft's constant 'casual pandering' with Kinect and avatars and family marketing comes off as insincere, cheap, and annoying because the products and games they put out towards those efforts are generally poor or castoffs. Nintendo will put AAA designers on making a game with Miis in it just as fast as they'll put them on making the next Zelda.

Of course, we also still have the powerful meme circulating that Wii U isn't a 'real' next gen console because it doesn't have the requisite CPU, because there are plenty of enthusiast gamers who even at this late date only judge generations by shader count. That noise is going to continue, there's nothing to be done about it.

But still, if Crisis Nintendo is Aggressive Nintendo, things are going to keep getting interesting. Especially if Wii U ends up becoming a home for what used to be mid-range Japanese games before the west turned things into "go big or go home, 10 million copies sold or your studio is shuttered" with every game.
 

SykoTech

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why is that awesome?

It pleases you that others can't play a 3rd party game on their console of choice?

Also does anyone find it wierd how nintendo is changing their direction with the wiiU?
I thought Nintendo were only about family friendly games.

Some people are indeed being ravenous Nintendo fanboys about this, and you should just ignore them.

However, there are also people who are acting like they'll never be able to play this just because it is exclusive to the Wii U, which is also stupid. If you really want the game, then just get a Wii U. That's what I did back when I was a GameCube fanboy but wanted Kingdom Hearts and Ratchet & Clank.

As for the whole "console of choice" thing, yeah. That does suck. But given the situation this game was in, it was either all or nothing. Surely not having it on the platform you're most comfortable with is better than the game not existing at all.

And Nintendo is mostly about family friendly games, yes. But that's certainly not all they do. Metroid never struck me as being all that family friendly, and that's one of their classic franchises.
 

Trevelyon

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Disappointing news for me personally, I have no real interest in the Wii-U, not at the price it is now and will probably even two years from now, especially with the next-gen twins bearing down.

Glad this game exists, big shame if it was a real multiplat contender at one point then moneyhat'd away and locked up tightly. But, if Nintendo did help bankroll or backed a troubled or unsure title, where others didn't than GOOD for them.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
As a gamer do you only buy games that you think other people are going to buy, or do you buy games because they are good and you want to play them?

It may flop. If it does that in no way prevents me from enjoying it.

Hell, Sega probably considered the original a flop which is why they didn't go ahead with the sequel themselves.
 
SOMEONE needs to count the money.

Gotta count fast

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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Looking at this broadly -- adding Monster Hunter in to the mix, for example -- it does appear Nintendo has a legitimate window to pick up games, particularly Japanese games, which can't reasonably make the leap to HD+ budgets, or whatever we want to call PS4/720 budgets, but are nonetheless not handheld games, and are "core" focused titles.

I'm not sure how large that swathe of titles is, but it exists, and Nintendo may be able to fit in to that space. As for major western developers, I feel their only real hope is to get multiplatform versions of the big games, and even that may be a stretch.

Yup. I have been saying this for a while. In general Japanese developers will be more hesitant to make another full leap. I think Nintendo has a real opportunity in Japan.
 

Mxrz

Member
The thing is, it's not limiting your options. The game wasn't going to exist before Nintendo picked it up.

And now it does, but only on a single console. That's still a limited choice. I'm not bagging on Platinum at all, its understandable. Doesn't mean I like it. Third-party series going exclusive is always going to be dicey.
 

spats

Member
Bayonetta was a boring game in my opinion, so I'm not too bothered by the sequel coming out on a system I'm never going to buy. Nice for Wii U buying fans though, I guess.
 
Wow, I was planning on getting a WiiU eventually, but this finally gives me something concrete to be hyped about other than Pikmin 3.

I hope that the enemy design keeps up the amount of creativity and variety that they had in the first game. I can't wait to see what kind of Weapons we get in the next game. If DmC ends up disappointing (I am willing to give it a chance depending on the reviews) at least I have this to fall back on.

I will most def pick up any art book they make before it becomes hard to find too.

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So I guess Bayonetta 2 has been trending for a good while right?
 
I bought, played, and nearly platinum'ed the first game. I reckon I'll voice my disappointment of it being exclusive to hardware I don't plan to buy if I want to.

Why though? You can see Nintendo is the publisher, its a done deal, and this game probably wouldn't have happened if not for this kind of deal. 'Voicing disappointment', to my mind, is only a small step away from port begging -- it's utterly pointless.

Gears of War is an exclusive third party title on 360, I haven't really seen people asking for those. Where is Left 4 Dead 2 on PS3? The first one was ported, where's the second? It happens.

What Wii-U needs, and people who ARE wanting to buy it, is MORE reasons to buy in, MORE plus points like this.
 

Zephyrus

Banned
He's referring to your surprise that a 'mature' game is coming to a Nintendo console. M-rated games have been on Nintendo consoles for quite some time now.

my surprise was that nintendo was the one to pick this game up. Many M-rated games are available on the wii. They're just 3rd party and not published by Nintendo. This one, if I'm not mistaken, was picked up by nintendo and is being published by them.

Hence me saying if Nintendo is changing direction.

Also in case anyone is wondering, I've wrote on another thread that nintendo is doing the right thing. Were it not for the new ps and xbox systems being released next year, I'd be all over the wiiU.

I've even said that I hope this change of direction pays up and that I hope that the wiiU doesn't become the wii which is just a system for nintendo games.

I know you guys have to deal with a lot of trolling from others, but please leave me out of it.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Yup. I have been saying this for a while. In general Japanese developers will be more hesitant to make another full leap. I think Nintendo has a real opportunity in Japan.

If they're willing to fully fund and publish them, I'll agree that they could pick up quite a few more Japanese exclusives.

Tri-Ace is in hobo land for example, and I'm sure they'd take a contract.
 
Bayonetta 2 being exclusive to the WiiU is reason to be excited because it gives people a reason to actually want to buy the damn system.

Is that not why we buy consoles? For the games?
 
So much portbegging, so less bans

However... This is how you do a megaton in 2012 :) I hope they have more such Megatons soon!
Shenmue 3 pls
 
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