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[Cipherr]

If it was more powerful it wasn't in an obvious or jaw dropping sort of way.

Nah man, it was unquestionably obvious in a ton of cases. But there was some give and take in others. But overall the best N64 graphical showpieces were >> PSX graphical showpieces.

But it didnt matter because overall my PSX game collection was >> N64 in pretty much every way except the incredible 4 player multiplayer games the N64 had. The RPG advantage that the PSX was embarrassingly huge. So.... many.... good.... rpg's.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

CD storage space was more useful than terrible 3d vs still terrible 3d.

What I said on the school bus 15 years ago:

I play games, not movies.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

That's just like your bad opinion man.

My well formed opinion, maybe. I was a day one adopter of both systems btw. I definitely give the PS1 props for the breadth of its software library, I just happen to think the 64's cream of the crop titles hold up amazingly well.

 

[cube444]

The N64 represented the future to me back in the day. Was so exciting!

The DC did that for me.

 

[apana]

Nintendo 64 games looked much nicer to me, something about the PS1 3D was very unappealing. I don't know how to describe it.

I haven't seen one PS1 game that looks as good as Mario 64 and that's a lunch title

It definitely looks tasty.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

My well formed opinion, maybe. I was a day one adopter of both systems btw.

Would you say you're an expert?

 

[WillyFive]

What I said on the school bus 15 years ago:

I play games, not movies.

Yeah, FF7 is pretty awkward to navigate, since most of the environments are incomprehensible CGI backdrops. The game knew this too, which is why they had a marker that would show the exits if you pressed the Select button.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

It wasn't.

If we're talking pure polycount pushing and 3D rendering (N64 actually had perspective correction, for one), it is. However, that was a weird generation, since the PS1 had advantages elsewhere - CD storage, easier development, a proper memory card system, etc.

What a weird generation.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Sub 20 frames per second powerful.

Eh, the N64 was more powerful for sure but man some devs (rare) liked to push their hardware... a little too much.

 

[Man]

What I said on the school bus 15 years ago:
I play games, not movies.

I wouldn't call *<25fps a decent game experience.

 

[WillyFive]

If we're talking pure polycount pushing and 3D rendering (N64 actually had perspective correction, for one), it is. However, that was a weird generation, since the PS1 had advantages elsewhere - CD storage, easier development, a proper memory card system, etc.

What a weird generation.

This was back in the day when you could actually tell which system the game was on just by looking at the screenshot.

 

[JordanN]

Well I never said one was better than the other, rather there were games on the PSone that held up, and many of those games were helped by FMVs and prerendered backgrounds. You sound a bit insecure, don't worry I am not dogging the N64.

I get annoyed when people falsely represent graphics (even if it's not intentional). I only want to see neutral and factually correct statements.

Also FMV's don't count since PS1 wasn't rendering them.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Would you say you're an expert?

Well, I do have an eagle eye for pixels, and I've seen quite a few shops in my time.

 

[SniperHunter]

I haven't seen one PS1 game that looks as good as Mario 64 and that's a lunch title

Ape Escape.

 

[KillerTravis]

I think PS1 was a stronger 2D machine, for some reasons 2D didn't look good on N64 at all compared to SNES. But 3D on N64 was just delicious for it's time.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

I wouldn't call *<25fps a decent game experience.

no one on the bus knew what fps's were.

Edit: lol, nice performance-downgrade-edit

 

[WillyFive]

Ape Escape.

The PSP version, sure....but have you played Ape Escape PS1 recently? It really showcased the problems the PS1 had with bright colors.

 

[MrChocolate]

Oh wow. You have to be lying to yourself if you think PS1 games were as clean and presentable as this.

40 Winks (ps1) looks on par to that.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

I think PS1 was a stronger 2D machine, for some reasons 2D didn't look good on N64 at all compared to SNES. But 3D on N64 was just delicious for it's time.

I think it was because the N64 automatically used hardware based AA on everything, which was shitty for sprites.

 

[Kadey]

It's funny that when you think about it, Nintendo pretty much gave Sony the 32 bit era. Would have loved to see the Nintendo Playstation.

 

[entremet]

Wave Race versus Jet Moto. Not even a contest.

I loved my PSOne way more, but the N63 was no slouch.

 

[KillerTravis]

40 Winks (ps1) looks on par to that.

No.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

It's funny that when you think about it, Nintendo pretty much gave Sony the 32 bit era. Would have loved to see the Nintendo Playstation.

nah... this way we got two great consoles and the PS2 !

 

[XANDER CAGE]

This was back in the day when you could actually tell which system the game was on just by looking at the screenshot.

And when multiplatform games were almost entirely different. I was so pissed when I found out the N64 version of Tony Hawk only had like 5 songs that weren't even complete.

 

[cube444]

It's funny that when you think about it, Nintendo pretty much gave Sony the 32 bit era. Would have loved to see the Nintendo Playstation.

Sticking to carts didn't help either.

Are the people harping about the N64 low fps assuming/implying the PS1 games ran at a buttery smooth 30 fps?

 

[dimb]

I wouldn't call *<25fps a decent game experience.

I don't even understand what system this is supposed to be a shot at. If you were playing console games during this era that's just something you had to deal with.

 

[Man]

Edit: lol, nice performance-downgrade-edit

Haha. Had to take PAL into account!

 

[Clemsontigers35]

Let's not ignore sound processing, either. Because of the Redbook audio, PS1 games usually had better sound tracks. I also recall PS1 games sounding better than N64 games.

 

[Anth0ny]

3D PS1 games looked like absolute shit compared to N64 games.

Graphics don't really matter doe

 

[cube444]

Wave Race versus Jet Moto. Not even a contest.

I loved my PSOne way more, but the N63 was no slouch.

Good call. I owned WR for the N64.

 

[SniperHunter]

The PSP version, sure....but have you played Ape Escape PS1 recently? It really showcased the problems the PS1 had with bright colors.

I played it in 2001 and it look good enough. The levels were large, the art was good, the frame rate held up well...

 

[Takao]

Let's not ignore sound processing, either. Because of the Redbook audio, PS1 games usually had better sound tracks. I also recall PS1 games sounding better than N64 games.

The benefits of a CD over carts. CDs provided more stoage so that audio wasn't as compressed.

 

[RedSwirl]

Yeah I'm gonna have to go with the consensus that while PS1 games had higher quality assets due to the CD format, there was something about real time rendering on the N64 that was just better. I felt this especially with Rare's and Acclaim's games. I don't think I've seen any shooter on the PS1 that looked as good as Turok 2.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Sticking to carts didn't help either.

Are the people harping about the N64 low fps assuming/implying the PS1 games ran at a buttery smooth 30 fps?

No, it is just that the games that come to mind naturally for the N64 - like (all of) Rare's games, the zelda games, any n64 fps have unplayable or unpleasant framerates. There were some high framerate games (2D games, F-Zero X) but most of the big hit titles have significant framerate drops constantly.

Yeah I'm gonna have to go with the consensus that while PS1 games had higher quality assets due to the CD format, there was something about real time rendering on the N64 that was just better. I felt this especially with Rare's and Acclaim's games. I don't think I've seen any shooter on the PS1 that looked as good as Turok 2.

Turok 2 for instance ran at horrific framerates, even with the memory expansion.

 

[nordique]

When I find a game on the N64 that's better looking than FFIX and Chrono Cross, I'll admit that it's a more powerful console.

Until then, I'm gonna be ignorant and say that the N64 was not more powerful!

Need not look further than the N64's launch then

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

No.

Doesn't even look on par with Banjo Kazooie, let alone Conker's Bad Fur Day.

 

[cube444]

No, it is just that the games that come to mind naturally for the N64 - like (all of) Rare's games, the zelda games, any n64 fps have unplayable or unpleasant framerates. There were some high framerate games (2D games, F-Zero X) but most of the big hit titles have significant framerate drops constantly.

Fair enough.

 

[GDGF]

This thread reminds me of when I took an N64 to a friends house a few years ago who had no experience with one because he grew up on the Playstation.

Spoiler

showed him Starfox 64 and he was all like "Wow, I've been wrong all these years." as he just assumed the PS was a more powerful system

 

[SniperHunter]

Crash 3 also looked great. Naughty Dog was awesome back then too!

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Doesn't even look on par with Banjo Kazooie, let alone Conker's Bad Fur Day.

But comes close to Space Station Silicon Valley ;D

 

[Pimpbaa]

Powerful hardware that was gimped in many ways. It took too long for developers to get a hang of the hardware too (probably because there were so few of them for the n64).

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

The benefits of a CD over carts. CDs provided more stoage so that audio wasn't as compressed.

Even aside from the storage capacity the PS1 had a bad ass sound card at the time.

 

[KageMaru]

I know, I'm just reliving my youth. It had pretty colours, for Saturn 3D it was impressive. I remember reading that its transparency effects in the final chaos emerald course hadn't been matched by the other two consoles at the time.

The Quake and Duke comments I stand by, those ports were legendary work. The Dev studio decided to rebuild both games in their Saturn-optimised Powerslave engine, and they were a joy to play.

Not to mention netlink support for Duke. Loved playing online co-op in that game.

Of all the systems, what devs were able to pull off on the Saturn impressed me the most since devs were faced with so many obstacles.

 

[JordanN]

Let's not ignore sound processing, either. Because of the Redbook audio, PS1 games usually had better sound tracks. I also recall PS1 games sounding better than N64 games.

Eh, there really wasn't anything about the PS1's sound processor that the N64 couldn't do. Actually it should be better because the CPU and co-processor that handled sound where more powerful (N64).

Perhaps it was heavy compression or complete removal of some audio that could give the impression PS1 was better but it was far from being technical.

 

[Zombie James]

Even aside from the storage capacity the PS1 had a bad ass sound card at the time.

An audiophile's dream, apparently.

 

[nordique]

Oh wow. You have to be lying to yourself if you think PS1 games were as clean and presentable as this.

Instead, you got the definition of low res.

Good call

Conker was stunning when it came out

Nothing imo on PS1 even touched the Banjo games, I never saw any FPS come close to Goldeneye never mind Turok 2 and Perfect Dark

PSone, and I loved mine, had some great games graphically at the time (MGS, RE2, FF9, Gran Turosmo 2), but I always scratch my head when people say it had better graphics than N64. The cream of the crop of PS1 games graphically didn't really compare to the cream of the crop N64 games

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I preferred the PS1 but owned both. N64 was great for first party stuff. Oh, and party games, too. 4-player local gaming was awesome.

With that said, the PS1 had far more great games, obviously. FMV and pre-rendered backgrounds were awesome back then, too. Despite the low resolution and warping textures, I actually liked how a lot of PS1 games looked. Stuff like FFVIII, FFIX, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Metal Gear Solid, Tekken 3, etc. looked awesome, and that's not even talking about 2D games.

 

[chertipros]

Lots of late N64 games looked like dreamcast games to me back in the day. But from what i have seen, without getting into tech specs or whatever, the N64 was a beast in comparison. Conker's bad fur day, Turok 2, Perfect dark, banjo tooie, and the legend of zelda majora's mask looked stunning. And later on, when i Found out about games like Sin & Punishment I had no doubt in my mind the n64 was more powerful

 

[cube444]

Lots of late N64 games looked like dreamcast games to me back in the day. But from what i have seen, without getting into tech specs or whatever, the N64 was a beast in comparison. Conker's bad fur day, Turok 2, Perfect dark, banjo tooie, and the legend of zelda majora's mask looked stunning

In what way?

 

[jett]

Eh, not much powerful at all. The only thing the N64 had over the PS1 was superior image quality thanks to perspective correction, texture filtering and edge anti-aliasing. Texture quality on N64 was hideous and the machine was polystarved.