Zoso Achilles
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I thought the remake was supposed to cause the least amount of drama. Welp...
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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains
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Falcons can be seen in this screenshot, though we don't know if it's returning to multiplayer. I think that's the right one to bring back--they can afford to make it powerful since it requires 2 people.
Catching up on today's news, laser is disappointing. Hope it isn't final.
Guessing I caused 90% of that drama...
Sucks how there is always video lag in every event Halo 4 is in considering you guys did great work with the aiming system.
Also the level looked great!
I mean it isn't even that hard! Just set it to game mode, take off the Trumotion BS and to be extra sure just set the input label to PC.
Vire
Member
*shrug*
I'm really pleased with what I've seen.
Every Halo game needs a box canyon map, it just wouldn't feel right without it. This iteration has the classic feel of "Halo" and looks beautiful compared to the dull version of Forge World. The lighting and grass are bright and colorful and everything just pops. This is something I felt was lacking in forge world environments.
ElzarTheBam
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That's a pretty good point, the laser could have been a ordnance drop.
Edit: Although cant really see an ordnance meter on those screens because of the quality.
This is NeoGAF. We're basically a soap opera.
Zoso Achilles
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But the least amount of drama? We're already complaining about the laser on the map again (rightfully so), there's discussion/concerns of how true the remake is (ramps to top of the bases, etc.), and they threw a mech on the map. Man, I really wished it was death island lol
Slightly Live
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They brought back one of the most favourite maps from the original trilogy. But they kept the laser. And they added mechs. And they haven't had a chance to address why they think Valhalla works well with Halo 4's sandbox (but anyone with lick of common sense would easily point to the DMR on the map being a bad thing).
We need to wait to hear their explanations but there's a real chance they've brought back a beloved map and ruined it.
We're obviously pretty entrenched in our views here, so we're not going to come to agreement, and this has been argued for years in prior threads. But the short version of my take is:
The hill bisects the sight lines across the map and makes it so players cannot cross-map with the sniper rifle. You can't snipe base to base or from your side of the map to the other players base. This is an enormous flaw on BG.
The sides of the map on Valhalla got rid of the high ledges on BG that allowed for the cross-map sniping. On Hemorrhage you can spawn and get sniped from the other team's ledge (across the map) before you can get to cover. With frequency. Terrible design, fixed on Valhalla.
The central hill is nicely self-balancing in that you have a commanding position on the map - but are also exposed. The other team gets a sniper rifle in their base, and has other tools to flush you off the hill (power drain) or flank you entirely (side man cannon, Warthog, Mongoose). The BR didn't have the range to lock down the entire map from center. Ever hold up on the hill with your team and then watch the attackers drive around you with their Warthog to snag the flag? Yeah.
The base design on Blood Gulch is too binary and too cramped. It's a very small space, and since there are so few ways in, it's very easy to defend. Placing the flag at lower level meant attackers were a fish in a barrel. In a BTB context it's way too cramped.
Too much dead space on Blood Gulch, particularly with the DMR added in Reach. You get pinged from all angles, meaning the majority of the map - the middle - becomes a no mans land. Valhalla scaled the space down, added ravines and high rocks, and made the center as viable as the edges. The entire map plays well, unlike Blood Gulch/Hemorrhage which is basically a big bowl (with high sides!) for players to shoot guys in the center.
The Valhalla bases offer a larger number of ways in and strike good balance between the attacking and defending teams. Players can assault the base from the front ramp, two back ramps, jumping over the center gap in back, or sneak in from the two side entrances and work their way up. The floor is glass, so players can be seen from below, creating some tense cat and mouse moments. A coordinated assault on the base can be devastating, but so can coordinated defense. There's a risk/reward dynamic to the front ramp, and once the flag is taken two immediate ways to get some distance from the bases via the man cannons. The bases are large enough and with enough space within them to fan out players, so it's not a catastrafuck of guys piling into the lower level, as on BG/Hemorrhage.
The smaller scale of Valhalla means base placement is better. There's not a huge, open span between the bases and the sides of the map, so players on foot can actually sneak into them via the cave side or open side, and have cover along the way should they get spotted. That means base assaults on foot are more viable (how often do you walk into the bases on Hemorrhage?). Overall, Valhalla has dramatically improved infantry/vehicle balancing.
Okay, that wasn't so short. But it's actually the short version. You don't need to retort unless you really want to espouse your love of BG - like I said we're probably entrenched here. I hate that map, had few enjoyable games on it, and consider Valhalla the best BTB map in the series.
Incidentally, I think Valhalla will not play well at all with Halo 4's combat sandbox, but we'll see.
So I hear that the NFL replacement refs were working on Halo 4 before they switched to calling touchdowns.
Aside from the Valhalla base thing, you've pretty much been spot on with me today. For the Valhalla bases, to get from the base to the middle of the map, BG gave you a teleporter that lacked danger, but it also gave you a wall of protection from the middle. Valhalla has the mancannons, plus it is a bit more open. If you are going to camp your base in a CTF game, you can't unless you have a slight form of out-of-base control. If you don't they just sweep in and grab the flag and launch it halfway across the map.
I'd say Coag's bases are on par with Valhalla, but one major improvement would be to create a way from the middle floor to the roof of the base.
Valhalla could of course use some improvements, but mainly with weapons. Swap out Laser because it is shit, and spawn everyone with a BR.
email me every Tuesday and I will tell you your rank.
Still literally true.
I would dearly love to see the Hornet back, but with a (purely aesthetic) makeover. That thing is a joy to fly.
I hear you, but really, what if the mech is just a tall, armored missile pod? That's what it looks like to me in the action shot of it: two missile pods on either side. So largely an anti air role. And it walks, it stomps on things near it, and it has such a high profile that it gets team shot with no way to effectively respond. We need to know more.
As for the laser, I will happily support team NoSplaser, since I can't hit anything with the damn thing anyway.
But We want to know our rank naoooooo
I love this.
I don't get it...
Yes, I totally wasn't top 5 on the head to head leaderboards. I totally didn't beat Karma in the only 1v1 we played. You got me there; never played Halo 2.
"nonexistent" was hyperbole, obviously. However, the shooting skill gap in Halo 2 was not good. The game had MASSIVE aim assist.
TagHeuer Aquaracer WAF2110-0 but it looks weird because I hate metal bands because they tear out your wrist pubes, so I swapped it for a rubber strap from one of their proper diving watches. BTW, this is the only nice "thing" I have ever owned. Apart from my TV. I have a crap car, crap clothes, etc, etc.
Gabotron ES
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Mantis looking awesome, can't wait to attack a fortified base on Dominion with that shit.
mhi
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So you were good pre update ?
Well you'll always have your wrist pubes.
Oh, that's been perfectly clear all along.
BAM!
Instant death from any range; invisible red warning beam over XBL; Halo 3's could graze your toe and you'd be dead.
Ragnarok Flames
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Your car is probably better than my '98 jeep grand cherokee
Hypertrooper
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Hoodie says no?
One of my gripes with these gaming events is when they show off new gameplay, and the production director get's it in their head that they are shooting a indie movie or something. Slowly fade out to the crowds and the back of theirs heads, then slowly pan onto Frankie concentrated face. I just want gameplay..
squidhands
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Thanks, I completely forgot about that screenshot. I preferred the Falcon to the Hornet myself and hope that if it comes back, it could be adjusted to allow flag carriers to be passengers by disengaging one of the side guns.
It was so completely satisfying to 'catch' your flag carrier coming off the mancannons on Avalanche.
Why do you strive to hurt my feelings with posts like this?! /dramasquid
ruthless, I love it.
ElzarTheBam
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You would still be the most extravagant person in Scotland right now.
Vire
Member
Sure, it's a power weapon. If it wasn't in place the Warthogs would have been terribly overpowered and you could have been easily spawn camped much like the Banshee on Boneyard.
But now you have a DMR so you could easily fight back against a guy with a Spartan Laser.
Ragnarok Flames
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It was confirmed weeks ago, when they showed Exile.
Water looks good - much better than reachI was wrong, there's two cannons. It was hard to make out but I found a clearer view.
Still no frontal ramps. =/
Bregmann Roche
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Don't talk shit about the Fit.
Vire
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Demoncarnotaur
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Man, the input lag strikes again, haha. Ah well, they game looks amazing. I guess the part you missed involved the dead Elites with Ghosts around that Knight? It struck me as something that probably had a little more importance.
If you're the driver in a vehicle, you can't fight back. It's also very frustrating when you lost the fight for the middle hill in one engagement and now they have control of it. Then you can't use your Hog, Banshee, or two Mongeese; while they still have 1 shot after destroying those vehicles.
Dax has a variant where it is swapped for a Rocket and it works very well. I'd also throw a few more Brute Shots on the map, to mess with the drivers even more.
Wait, you don't find it oddly hilarious that they go to pretty much a still shot of Frankie in gamer mode? I was hoping he would have his tongue out at one point during that presentation.
I know I'm late to the Eurogamer demo party, but it looks good. I'm really liking the multiple enemies fighting each other while you fight them as well concept. It could result in some mass chaos which I'm excited for.
Poker Face
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No. It's slower now and has more HP. I think that's it.
I'm not sure why they would keep the banshee bomb in MP, but we'll see
FUNKNOWN iXi
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ncsuDuncan
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Such clever wordplay! Is it okay with you guys if I add these images to HaloGAF.com?
I didn't create it, found it on google. Was gonna use the Stewie Griffin one, but would of probably got banned for the word 'bitch' in it.