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The New Republic: Has Hollywood Murdered the Movies?

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Antiochus

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Masterfully articulates what one can believe the film buff community here has been grumbling about in consternation. Perhaps one of the longest yet most substantive rants a film critic can give these days.

http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/107212/has-hollywood-murdered-the-movies?page=0,5

EARLIER THIS YEAR, The Avengers, which pulled together into one movie all the familiar Marvel Comics characters from earlier pictures—Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and so on—achieved a worldwide box-office gross within a couple of months of about $1.5 billion. That extraordinary figure represented a triumph of craft and cynical marketing: the movie, which cost $220 million to make, was mildly entertaining for a while (self-mockery was built into it), but then it degenerated into a digital slam, an endless battle of exacerbated pixels, most of the fighting set in the airless digital spaces of a digital city. Only a few critics saw anything bizarre or inane about so vast a display of technology devoted to so little. American commercial movies are now dominated by the instantaneous monumental, the senseless repetition of movies washing in on a mighty roar of publicity and washing out in a waste of semi-indifference a few weeks later. The Green Hornet? The Green Lantern? Did I actually see both of them? The Avengers will quickly be effaced by an even bigger movie of the same type.

This franchise-capping Avengers was a carefully built phenomenon. Let’s go back a couple of years and pick up a single strand that led to it. Consider one of its predecessors, Iron Man 2, which began its run in the United States, on May 7, 2010, at 4,380 theaters. That’s only the number of theaters: multiplexes often put new movies on two or three, or even five or six, screens within the complex, so the actual number of screens was much higher—well over 6,000. The gross receipts for the opening weekend were $128 million. Yet those were not the movie’s first revenues. As a way of discouraging piracy and cheap street sale of the movie overseas, the movie’s distributor, Paramount Pictures, had opened Iron Man 2 a week earlier in many countries around the world. By May 9, at the end of the weekend in which the picture opened in America, cumulative worldwide theatrical gross was $324 million. By the end of its run, the cumulative total had advanced to $622 million. Let’s face it: big numbers are impressive, no matter what produced them.

The worldwide theatrical gross of Iron Man 2 served as a branding operation for what followed—sale of the movie to broadcast and cable TV, and licensing to retail outlets for DVD rentals and purchase. Iron Man 2 was itself part of a well-developed franchise (the first Iron Man came out in 2008). The hero, Tony Stark, a billionaire industrialist-playboy, first appeared in a Marvel comic book in 1963 and still appears in new Marvel comics. By 2010, rattling around stores and malls all over the world, there were also Iron Man video games, soundtrack albums, toys, bobblehead dolls, construction sets, dishware, pillows, pajamas, helmets, t-shirts, and lounge pants. There was a hamburger available at Burger King named after Mickey Rourke, a supporting player in Iron Man 2. Companies such as Audi, LG Mobile, 7-Eleven, Dr. Pepper, Oracle, Royal Purple motor oil, and Symantec’s Norton software signed on as “promotional partners,” issuing products with the Iron Man logo imprinted somewhere on the product or in its advertising. In effect, all of American commerce was selling the franchise. All of American commerce sells every franchise.

Iron Man movies have a lighter touch than many comparable blockbusters—for instance, the clangorous Transformer movies, which are themselves based on plastic toys, in which dark whirling digital masses barge into each other or thresh their way through buildings, cities, and people, and at which the moviegoer, sitting in the theater, feels as if his head were repeatedly being smashed against a wall. The Iron Man movies have been shaped around the temperament of their self-deprecating star, Robert Downey, Jr., an actor who manages to convey, in the midst of a $200-million super-production, a private sense of amusement. By slightly distancing himself from the material, this charming rake offers the grown-up audience a sense of complicity, which saves it from self-contempt. Like so many big digital movies, the Iron Man films engage in a daringly flirtatious give-and-take with their own inconsequence: the disproportion between the size of the productions, with their huge sets and digital battles, and the puniness of any meaning that can possibly be extracted from them, may, for the audience, be part of the frivolous pleasure of seeing them.

Many big films (not just the ones based on Marvel Comics) are now soaked in what can only be called corporate irony, a mad discrepancy between size and significance—for instance, Christopher Nolan’s widely admired Inception, which generates an extraordinarily complicated structure devoted to little but its own workings. Despite its dream layers, the movie is not really about dreams—the action you see on screen feels nothing like dreams. An industrialist hires experts to invade the dreaming mind of another industrialist in order to plant emotions that would cause the second man to change corporate plans. Or something like that; the plot is a little vague. Anyway, why should we care? What is at stake?

Nolan’s movie was a whimsical, over-articulate nullity—a huge fancy clock that displays wheels and gears but somehow fails to tell the time. Yet Inception is nothing more than the logical product of a recent trend in which big movies have been progressively drained of sense. As much as two-thirds of the box office for these big films now comes from overseas, and the studios appear to have concluded that if a movie were actually about something, it might risk offending some part of the worldwide audience. Aimed at Bangkok and Bangalore as much as at Bangor, our big movies have been defoliated of character, wit, psychology, local color.

Apart from these movies and a few others, however, many of us have logged deadly hours watching superheroes bashing people off walls, cars leapfrogging one another in tunnels, giant toys and mock-dragons smashing through Chicago, and charming teens whooshing around castles. What we see in bad digital action movies has the anti-Newtonian physics of a cartoon, but drawn with real figures. Rushed, jammed, broken, and overloaded, action now produces temporary sensation rather than emotion and engagement. Afterward these sequences fade into blurs, the different blurs themselves melding into one another—a vague memory of having been briefly excited rather than the enduring contentment of scenes playing again and again in one’s head.

The oversized weightlessness leaves one numbed, defeated. Surely rage would seem an excessive response to movies so enormously trivial. Yet the overall trend is enraging. Fantasy is moving into all kinds of adventure and romantic movies; time travel has become a commonplace. At this point the fantastic is chasing human temperament and destiny—what we used to call drama—from the movies. The merely human has been transcended. And if the illusion of physical reality is unstable, the emotional framework of movies has changed, too, and for the worse. In time—a very short time—the fantastic, not the illusion of reality, may become the default mode of cinema.


APART FROM THAT dolorous autumn-leaves season (the Holocaust, troubled marriages, raging families, self-annihilating artists), American movies during the rest of the year largely abandon older audiences, leaving them to wander about like downsized workers. Many gratefully retreat into television, where producer-writers such as David Chase, Aaron Sorkin, David Simon, and David Milch now enjoy the same freedom and status, at HBO, as the Coppola-Scorsese generation of movie directors forty years ago. Cable television has certainly opened a space for somber realism, such as The Wire, and satirical realism, such as Mad Men and Lena Dunham’s mock-depressive, urban-dejection series Girls. But television cannot be the answer to what ails movies. I have been ravished in recent years by things possible only in movies—by Paul Thomas Anderson’s There Will Be Blood, Julian Schnabel’s The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, and Malick’s The Tree of Life, which refurbished the tattered language of film. Such films as Sideways, The Squid and the Whale, and Capote have a fineness, a nuanced subtlety, that would come off awkwardly on television. Would that there were more of them.

The intentional shift in large-scale movie production away from adults is a sad betrayal and a minor catastrophe. Among other things, it has killed a lot of the culture of the movies. By culture, I do not mean film festivals, film magazines, and cinephile Internet sites and bloggers, all of which are flourishing. I mean that blessedly saturated mental state of moviegoing, both solitary and social, half dreamy, half critical, maybe amused, but also sometimes awed, that fuels a living art form. Moviegoing is both a private and a sociable affair—a strangers-at-barbecues, cocktail-party affair, the common coin of everyday discourse. In the fall season there may be a number of good things to see, and so, for adult audiences, the habit may flicker to life again. If you have seen one of the five interesting movies currently playing, then you need to see the other four so you can join the dinner-party conversation. If there is only one, as there is most of the year, you may skip it without feeling you are missing much.

THE LANGUAGE OF big-budget, market-driven movies—the elements of shooting, editing, storytelling, and characterization—began disintegrating as far back as the 1980s, but all of this crystallized for me a decade ago, in the summer of 2001, when the slovenliness of what I was seeing that year, even in the Oscar-winning Gladiator, hit me hard. The action scenes in Gladiator were mostly a blur of whirling movement shot right up close—a limb hacked off and flying, a spurt of blood, a flash of chariot wheels. Who could actually see anything? Yet almost no one seemed to object. The old ideal of action as something staged cleanly and realistically in open space had been destroyed by sheer fakery and digital “magic”—a constant chopping of movement into tiny pieces that are then assembled by computer editing into exploding little packages. What we were seeing in Gladiator and other movies were not just individual artistic failures and crass commercial strategies, but was a new and awful idea of how to put a picture together.

That summer of 2001 the shape of conglomerate aesthetics could be seen in the narrative gibberish of too many creatures and too many villains in the overstuffed, put-on adventure movie, The Mummy Returns; and it could be seen in the frantic pastiche construction of Baz Luhrmann’s musical Moulin Rouge, with its characters openly borrowed from other movies, its songs composed of many other songs—music that alludes to the history of pop rather than risking the painful beauty of a ravishing new melody. The conglomerate aesthetic seizes on the recycled and the clichéd; it disdains originality and shies away from anything too individual, too clearly defined—even a strong personality. (Angelina Jolie wasn’t required to be a person in the Lara Croft movies—she got by on pure attitude. Ewan McGregor in The Phantom Menace didn’t even have attitude.) The only genuine protagonist in big movies in that period was Russell Crowe’s Jeffrey Wigand in Michael Mann’s The Insider, from 1999, and that movie failed commercially. In Hollywood, the lesson has been learned: no complex protagonist unless he is a historical figure such as Howard Hughes, John Nash (of A Beautiful Mind), J. Edgar Hoover, or the like. As the visual schemes grow more complicated, the human material becomes undernourished, wan, apologetic, absent—or so stylized that you can enjoy it only ironically (Angelina Jolie as a svelte, voguing super-killer).

Constant and incoherent movement; rushed editing strategies; feeble characterization; pastiche and hapless collage—these are the elements of conglomerate aesthetics. There is something more than lousy film-making in such a collection of attention-getting swindles. Again and again I have the sense that film-makers are purposely trying to distance the audience from the material—to prevent moviegoers from feeling anything but sensory excitement, to thwart any kind of significance in the movie.

Consider a single scene from one of the most prominent artistic fiascos of recent years, Michael Bay’s Pearl Harbor. Forget Ben Affleck’s refusal to sleep with Kate Beckinsale the night before going off to battle; forget the rest of the frightfully noble love story. Look at the action sequences in the movie, the scenes that many critics unaccountably praised. Here’s the moment: the Japanese have arrived, dropped their load, and gone back to their carriers. Admiral Kimmel (Colm Feore), the commander of the Pacific fleet, then rides through the harbor in an open boat, surveying the disaster. We have seen Kimmel earlier: not as a major character, but as a definite presence. Before December 7, he had intimations that an attack might be coming but not enough information to form a coherent picture. He did not act, and now he feels the deepest chagrin. Dressed in Navy whites, and surrounded by junior officers also dressed in white, he passes slowly through ships torn apart and still burning, ships whose crews, in some cases, remain trapped below the waterline.

Now, the admiral’s boat trip could have yielded a passage of bitterly eloquent movie poetry. Imagine what John Ford or David Lean would have done with it! We have just seen bodies blackened by fire, the men’s skin burned off. Intentionally or not, the spotless dress whites worn by the officers become an excruciating symbol of the Navy’s complacency before the attack. The whole meaning of Bay’s movie could have been captured in that one shot if it had been built into a sustained sequence. Yet this shot, to our amazement, lasts no more than a few seconds. After cutting away, Bay and his editors return to the scene, but this time from a different angle, and that shot doesn’t last, either. Bay and his team of editors abandon their own creation, just as, earlier in the movie, they jump away from an extraordinary shot of nurses being strafed as they run across an open plaza in front of the base hospital.

People who know how these movies are made told me that the film-makers could not have held those shots any longer, because audiences would have noticed that they were digital fakes. That point (if true) should tell you that something is seriously wrong. If you cannot sustain shots at the dramatic crux of your movie, why make violent spectacle at all? It turns out that fake-looking digital film-making can actually disable spectacle when it is supposed to be set in the real world. Increasingly, the solution has been to create more and more digitized cities, houses, castles, planets. Big films have lost touch with the photographed physical reality that provided so much greater enchantment than fantasy.

Directors used to take great care with such things: spatial integrity was another part of the unspoken contract with audiences, a codicil to the narrative doctrine of the scriptorium. It allowed viewers to understand, say, how much danger a man was facing when he stuck his head above a rock in a gunfight, or where two secret lovers at a dinner party were sitting in relation to their jealous enemies. Space could be analyzed and broken into close-ups and reaction shots and the like, but then it had to be re-unified in a way that brought the experience together in a viewer’s head—so that, in Jezebel, one felt physically what Bette Davis suffered as scandalized couples backed away from her in the ballroom. If the audience didn’t experience that emotion, the movie wouldn’t have cast its spell.

This seems like plain common sense. Who could possibly argue with it? Yet spatial integrity is just about gone from big movies. What Wyler and his editors did—matching body movement from one shot to the next—is rarely attempted now. Hardly anyone thinks it important. The most common method of editing in big movies now is to lay one furiously active shot on top of another, and often with only a general relation in space or body movement between the two. The continuous whirl of movement distracts us from noticing the uncertain or slovenly fit between shots. The camera moves, the actors move: in Moulin Rouge, the camera swings wildly over masses of men in the nightclub, Nicole Kidman flings herself around her boudoir like a rag doll. The digital fight at the end of The Avengers takes place in a completely artificial environment, a vacuum in which gravity has been abandoned; continuity is not even an issue. If the constant buffoonishness of action in all sorts of big movies leaves one both over-stimulated and unsatisfied—cheated without knowing why—then part of the reason is that the terrain hasn’t been sewn together. You have been deprived of that loving inner possession of the movie that causes you to play it over and over in your head.


n recent years, some of the young movie directors have come out of commercials and MTV. If a director is just starting out in feature films, he doesn’t have to be paid much, and the studios can throw a script at him with the assumption that the movie, if nothing else, will have a great “look.” He has already produced that look in his commercials or videos, which he shoots on film and then finishes digitally—adding or subtracting color, changing the sky, putting in flame or mist, retarding or speeding up movement. In a commercial for a new car, the blue-tinted streets rumble and crack, trees give up their roots, and the silver SUV, cool as a titanium cucumber, rides over the steaming fissures. Wow! What a film-maker! Studio executives or production executives who get financing from studios do not have to instruct such a young director to cut a feature very fast and put in a lot of thrills, because for their big movies they hire only the kind of people who will cut it fast and put in thrills. That the young director has never worked with a serious dramatic structure, or even with actors, may not be considered a liability.

The results are there to see. At the risk of obviousness: techniques that hold your eye in a commercial or video are not suited to telling stories or building dramatic tension. In a full-length movie, images conceived that way begin to cancel each other out or just slip off the screen; the characters are just types or blurred spots of movement. The links with fiction and theater and classical film technique have been broken. The center no longer holds; mere anarchy is loosed upon the screen; the movie winds up a mess.

So are American movies finished, a cultural irrelevance? Despite almost everything, I don’t think the game is up, not by any means. There are talented directors who manage to keep working either within the system or just on the edges of it. Some of the independent films that have succeeded, against the odds, in gaining funding and at least minimal traction in the theaters, are obvious signs of hope. Terence Malick is alive and working hard. Digital is still in its infancy, and if it moves into the hands of people who have a more imaginative and delicate sense of spectacle, it could bloom in any one of a dozen ways. The micro-budget movies now made on the streets or in living rooms might also take off if they give up on sub-Cassavetes ideas of improvisation, and accept the necessity of a script. There is enough talent sloshing around in the troubled vessel of American movies to keep the art form alive. But the trouble is real, and it has been growing for more than twenty-five years. By now there is a wearying, numbing, infuriating sameness to the cycle of American releases year after year. Much of the time, adults cannot find anything to see. And that reason alone is enough to make us realize that American movies are in a terrible crisis, which is not going to end soon.
 

xbhaskarx

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Hollywood blockbusters have always been 98% crap, but this recent trend towards endless remakes and sequels and comic book superhero nonsense is really driving me crazy.
My friends convinced me to see The Avengers and after half an hour I moved to the back of the theater and messed around on my phone. Meanwhile the vast majority of people I have movie conversations with have never seen The Fountain or Jesse James or A Serious Man... and that's just recent films, they don't even know of Andrei Rublev or Rififi or Picnic at Hanging Rock. There should be a required humanities course in public high schools that covers art, literature, film, etc.
 
He may have some good arguments, but his opinion on Gladiator is extremely off base .
Yep, that's where he lost me was the Gladiator thing.

and xbhaskarx, I wouldn't fault anyone for not seeing A Serious Man... I didn't mind it myself but it was a tad monotonous.
 

Future

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Music buffs have similar complaints when Katy Perry and similar tops the charts. People need to start getting used to the fact that simple popcorn shit attracts the largest audience
 
He has some well articulated points, but really only the scale of the fluff has changed. Hollywood's big films have always been aimed at a broad audience, which has meant producing something with generalized appeal and an element of lowest common denominator. Frankly those Marvel films are a lot smarter than much of what we got in the 80s.

The self referential, self deprecating thing is an element of modern Western culture as much as anything, we've grown up in an environment that's not just saturated with media, but media commentary that shows us all the seams. Playing it straight too often feels fake or insincere.
 

xbhaskarx

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Music buffs have similar complaints when Katy Perry and similar tops the charts. People need to start getting used to the fact that simple popcorn shit attracts the largest audience
From the excellent book Easy Riders Raging Bulls:

"Popcorn pictures have always ruled. Why do people go see them? Why is the public so stupid? That's not my fault."
- George Lucas on Star Wars
 
Hollywood blockbusters have always been 98% crap, but this recent trend towards endless remakes and sequels and comic book superhero nonsense is really driving me crazy.
My friends convinced me to see The Avengers and after half an hour I moved to the back of the theater and messed around on my phone. Meanwhile the vast majority of people I have movie conversations with have never seen The Fountain or Jesse James or A Serious Man... and that's just recent films, they don't even know of Andrei Rublev or Rififi or Picnic at Hanging Rock. There should be a required humanities course in public high schools that covers art, literature, film, etc.


Frankly, there's no point in making someone who is not interested in something sit down and suffer through it. Any time I've made a friend watch what I (and most film buffs) consider to be a good movie, they consider it boring, slow, and always ask me what's so good about it. Their reaction is never some wide-eyed awakening as they wonder what they've been missing out on all this time. As they say: different strokes for different folks.
 

Slavik81

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MDespite its dream layers, the movie is not really about dreams—the action you see on screen feels nothing like dreams. An industrialist hires experts to invade the dreaming mind of another industrialist in order to plant emotions that would cause the second man to change corporate plans. Or something like that; the plot is a little vague. Anyway, why should we care? What is at stake?
This sounds so incredibly cool. Was he trying to make it sound boring or something? Because if so, he failed.
 

Jackpot

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EARLIER THIS YEAR, The Avengers, which pulled together into one movie all the familiar Marvel Comics characters from earlier pictures—Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and so on—achieved a worldwide box-office gross within a couple of months of about $1.5 billion. That extraordinary figure represented a triumph of craft and cynical marketing: the movie, which cost $220 million to make, was mildly entertaining for a while (self-mockery was built into it), but then it degenerated into a digital slam, an endless battle of exacerbated pixels, most of the fighting set in the airless digital spaces of a digital city. Only a few critics saw anything bizarre or inane about so vast a display of technology devoted to so little.

I liked the Avengers because I had fun watching it, not because marketing told me to. Poser.
 
I actually think TV has killed the movies. Quality narrative storytelling in television has pretty much killed Hollywood. Movies have become theme park rides more than anything else. If I want to watch good acting and good writing these days, I watch TV.
 
It sucks that well made, well shot, well written and more "deep" films don't do so well but I've never been a fan of the dichotomy set up by many that it's because of the success of popcorn flicks. A basic film history buff should know that the first films were lauded by rich pretentious types as cheap shit for poor people, so when they act like the cinema is some grand affair that's now bogged down in shit it's like fuck off with your revisionist history.
 

Feep

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Ugh. I hate people like this.

The answer, obvious to anyone with a pulse, is that Hollywood is a business, that it makes movies that will sell tickets and keep the whole thing running. America (and generally the rest of the world) CLEARLY wants The Avengers, so Hollywood makes the Avengers. More than a handful of smaller, thoughtful, "artistic" films are released every year (The Master, recently), though they usually don't do nearly as well at the box office, so studios don't put too much into them. You might as well get mad at the entire population of Earth.

Moreover, modern popcorn flicks are probably the best they've ever been. Not that the Avengers is some paragon of plot, but the dialogue is sharp, the acting pretty spot-on. And what's this bullshit with "Why should we care?" in Inception? Were you even fucking paying attention? Ugh.
 
Spot on about Gladiator's fight scenes in my opinion, I thought the very same thing at the time.
Using Moulin Rouge however, I see what he's trying to say about unoriginality,though that film took familiar concepts and did use them creatively, so his point fell for me at that juncture.

Overall I'm in general agreement with his opinion.
 
i think more movie-goers are becoming like me.

When I want to see an big high-tech involved movies, I'll go to the movie theaters (Avengers, Batman, etc).

When I want to watch almost any other movie (drama, comedy, documentary, etc), I'll wait for it to come to rent.

I just don't see the appeal of watching a drama on a movie screen anymore. I got my 50 inch HDTV without the hassle of other people, noise, and prices to watch that stuff.

Big Screen HDTV is killing the success of quality Hollywood movies in theaters.
 
I just don't see the appeal of watching a drama on a movie screen anymore. I got my 50 inch HDTV without the hassle of other people, noise, and prices to watch that stuff.

Big Screen HDTV is killing the success of quality Hollywood movies in theaters.

This is me, except I saw Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy in theaters some time ago. I don't even seen too many big blockbuster stuff in theaters much either. I'm tired of people on phones and obnoxious assholes. During a drama/more intellectual film they're even more distracting.
 
It sucks that well made, well shot, well written and more "deep" films don't do so well but I've never been a fan of the dichotomy set up by many that it's because of the success of popcorn flicks. A basic film history buff should know that the first films were lauded by rich pretentious types as cheap shit for poor people, so when they act like the cinema is some grand affair that's now bogged down in shit it's like fuck off with your revisionist history.

He's mostly talking about CGI, quick-cut action scenes, marketing and movies being made for kids instead of adults. These are all new phenomena. He's not doing any revisionist history.


Ugh. I hate people like this.

The answer, obvious to anyone with a pulse, is that Hollywood is a business, that it makes movies that will sell tickets and keep the whole thing running. America (and generally the rest of the world) CLEARLY wants The Avengers, so Hollywood makes the Avengers. More than a handful of smaller, thoughtful, "artistic" films are released every year (The Master, recently), though they usually don't do nearly as well at the box office, so studios don't put too much into them. You might as well get mad at the entire population of Earth.

Moreover, modern popcorn flicks are probably the best they've ever been. Not that the Avengers is some paragon of plot, but the dialogue is sharp, the acting pretty spot-on. And what's this bullshit with "Why should we care?" in Inception? Were you even fucking paying attention? Ugh.

Not at all. Movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark were popcorn flicks, and Raiders is so much better than The Avengers it's not even funny.
 
This is me, except I saw Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy in theaters some time ago. I don't even seen too many big blockbuster stuff in theaters much either. I'm tired of people on phones and obnoxious assholes. During a drama/more intellectual film they're even more distracting.

Yup, I agree. I've only seen 3 movies this year in the theaters (Promethus, Avengers, and Batman) and that's more than last year. TTSS I rented like most everything else.

And it's so expensive here in LA. $13 normally. Batman on IMAX was something like $18 not counting parking because it's fucking Universal Studios (1 of only 2 true IMAX here). Parking split helps, but that's still over $20 just to see a fucking movie! Thankfully, I can afford it but I'd rather get 4-5 beers at the bar and rent the movie...

A family of 4 going to see a kids movie in IMAX costs like $70+. Such a waste.

And as a funny aside, related to Gladiator, some asshole brought their 2 year old to the movie. That was fun. nearly 1 hour non-stop crying. Wouldn't even bother to take the kid out. people...
 

Feep

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Yup, I agree. I've only seen 3 movies this year in the theaters (Promethus, Avengers, and Batman) and that's more than last year. TTSS I rented like most everything else.

And it's so expensive here in LA. $13 normally. Batman on IMAX was something like $18 not counting parking because it's fucking Universal Studios (1 of only 2 true IMAX here). Parking split helps, but that's still over $20 just to see a fucking movie! Thankfully, I can afford it but I'd rather get 4-5 beers at the bar and rent the movie...

A family of 4 going to see a kids movie in IMAX costs like $70+. Such a waste.

And as a funny aside, related to Gladiator, some asshole brought their 2 year old to the movie. That was fun. nearly 1 hour non-stop crying. Wouldn't even bother to take the kid out. people...
Wait, what? There's a second true IMAX theater in LA? Is it that one "The Rave" off the 405?
 

Kikujiro

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Hollywood blockbusters don't represent movies in general, they are aimed to the biggest kind of audience to make money, nothing more. It has always been like this and it will always be like this, but if you look elsewhere you can still find great movies from every part of the world (US too). If you are a movie buff you look for film festivals like Venice, Cannes, Berlin, Montreal, Sundance etc. Most of the people only know about Hollywood movies and its stars, but this is true for all kind of art entertainment, from music to literature.

But I agree with the article that popcorn movies nowadays follow a shallow copy/paste formula, this wasn't the case during the '70/'80, Jaws, Star Wars and Indiana Jones were all typical Hollywood blockbuster, but they were fresh, interesting with great direction. This is why they are highly regarded by critics.

You can "educate" the viewers to appreciate the greatness of an art, but it's a lost battle, because some people (I guess the majority of them) just want to be entertained. My problem is when these same people call you "pretentious" because you watch something different, which is an ignorant and stupid attitude.
 
I actually think TV has killed the movies. Quality narrative storytelling in television has pretty much killed Hollywood. Movies have become theme park rides more than anything else. If I want to watch good acting and good writing these days, I watch TV.

To go along with this, now that we have stations like AMC, HBO, Starz, and Showtime, television is simply a better medium for character and universe building in adult dramas. The well-known, water-cooler characters of our generation are Dom Draper, Walter White, or Liz Lemon. Kids have their Harry Potter and their Katniss and their Bellas, but at least they are reading before they go soak up those "empty" blockbusters.
 
Yup, I agree. I've only seen 3 movies this year in the theaters (Promethus, Avengers, and Batman) and that's more than last year. TTSS I rented like most everything else.

And it's so expensive here in LA. $13 normally. Batman on IMAX was something like $18 not counting parking because it's fucking Universal Studios (1 of only 2 true IMAX here). Parking split helps, but that's still over $20 just to see a fucking movie! Thankfully, I can afford it but I'd rather get 4-5 beers at the bar and rent the movie...

A family of 4 going to see a kids movie in IMAX costs like $70+. Such a waste.

And as a funny aside, related to Gladiator, some asshole brought their 2 year old to the movie. That was fun. nearly 1 hour non-stop crying. Wouldn't even bother to take the kid out. people...

Yeah someone brought someone really young to see one of the earlier Pirates of the Caribbean movies I went too. I was just appalled.
 
The well-known, water-cooler characters of our generation are Dom Draper, Walter White, or Liz Lemon. Kids have their Harry Potter and their Katniss and their Bellas, but at least they are reading before they go soak up those "empty" blockbusters.

Agreed about the social space TV takes over, more people talk about TV characters than movie characters since they're constantly changing and can have viewers in suspense. Movies seem like a one-stop show while TV shows are so good now that they're more invested in the next episode or season than a new movie from some great filmmaker.
 

Dead Man

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His point about Pearl Harbour is interesting though. If you have to change your shot becuase it will be unconvincing otherwise, the technology you are using is probably not ready.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
Yep, could not agree with him more. If you want decent storytelling and characters, you have to go to TV these days.
 

The Technomancer

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I don't particularly feel like blockbusters specifically have changed that much, barring the occasional extreme exception from the past like E.T. It could be that we're getting less interesting lower-budget movies, which I would buy.
 

JoeBoy101

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Its that time that the benefits of escapism escapes snob cinema GAF.

Look, I love more cerebral films myself but the public is more often than not looking for a fictional story to feel good about because they are unhappy with their own lives or trying to remove themselves from the stress in them. If you're looking to have a 2 hour fictional getaway, No Country For Old Men is not really it.
 

Tobor

Member
He writes this as if it's a new phenomenon of the last decade. This argument has been made since the 80’s.

Everyone knows that the big studios don't make movies for the sake of selling the movie. They are building licensed properties. Blame Lucas, or Spielberg, or Micheal Cimino, or Coppola, it doesn't matter.

The golden age of the auteur has been dead for 40 years.
 

Slayven

Member
Only thing worse then a movie snob is a music snob. In a time when more content is being made then any other time in history, if you can't find something you like. Then it's your own damn fault.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
Exactly right.

There was a time when a film like The Godfather, The Graduate, or Lawrence of Arabia could be a box office hit.

Even look at a great film like Raiders of the Lost Ark. Spielberg's Tin Tin featured a lot of the structure, levity, and sense of adventure that Raiders did, but even he couldn't keep Tin Tin from devolving into a dizzying, boring, and endlessly monotonous mess at the end.
 
I'm not going to pretend that there aren't a whole assload of crappy movies out these days, but I dunno if Avengers is the best example. What they did with the franchise was pretty unprecedented and risky, at least moreso than bi-annual sludge like the also-mentioned Transformers films. If I'm going to enjoy a popcorn film, something like that is going to heighten the experience considerably.

There are plenty of worthwhile films out there still...you just need to avoid the local ultramegacineplex in order to find them.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
He may have some good arguments, but his opinion on Gladiator is extremely off base .

Gladijator is a Hollywood spectacle of the kind they've been doing for almost 100 years. There is nothing newly ruinous about it, and almost everyone enjoys it. Not only that but the CG he is complaining about let us explore Ancient Rome and the movie was chock full of brilliant characters and actors. What a weird film to bring into his rant. If he'd simply said Transformers or Battleship he'd have a point. But I agree with him about Inception, not tht it was bad, but that it was the worst realization of dreams I can recall, in a movie about dreams. Should have been about something else, like drugs or hypnotism.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
Doctor Zhevago was a big hit too. It was the Avatar of its day. Long, bloated, built for popcorn munchers. Pauline Kael famously dissed Lean saying he made films to impress the sort of person who is impressed by seeing running water on stage.

I know someone who refuses to see any movie more than a decade or so old, because they're boring, or lame, or something. David Lean made films that critics attacked as being shallow, and that audienced flocked to.

David fucking Lean.

My God fucking Transformers holy shit.
 

swoon

Member
He writes this as if it's a new phenomenon of the last decade. This argument has been made since the 80’s.

Everyone knows that the big studios don't make movies for the sake of selling the movie. They are building licensed properties. Blame Lucas, or Spielberg, or Micheal Cimino, or Coppola, it doesn't matter.

The golden age of the auteur has been dead for 40 years.

so since it started?

Gladijator is a Hollywood spectacle of the kind they've been doing for almost 100 years. There is nothing newly ruinous about it, and almost everyone enjoys it. Not only that but the CG he is complaining about let us explore Ancient Rome and the movie was chock full of brilliant characters and actors. What a weird film to bring into his rant. If he'd simply said Transformers or Battleship he'd have a point. But I agree with him about Inception, not tht it was bad, but that it was the worst realization of dreams I can recall, in a movie about dreams. Should have been about something else, like drugs or hypnotism.

well if you think about the idea of spatial relationship, like how the characters move in the seen in gladiator vs like raiders or spartacus i think you'd understand.

i really wish he had tied together both hollywood's desire to appearl across the globe and how that approach is making this movies dull and without a "local feel," to the indie's new pocketbook which is the middle east. but it's a fine and really on point article.
 
While I also think there are way too many special effects fests that are ultimately dull, he totally lost me at hating on Inception, that film is special effects done right; it uses them to bring an interesting and otherwise impossible premise to life without neglecting character development.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
He writes this as if it's a new phenomenon of the last decade. This argument has been made since the 80’s.

Everyone knows that the big studios don't make movies for the sake of selling the movie. They are building licensed properties. Blame Lucas, or Spielberg, or Micheal Cimino, or Coppola, it doesn't matter.

The golden age of the auteur has been dead for 40 years.

Maybe so, but CG and ADD action scene cutting has really ruined action movies for me.
 

Tacitus_

Member
i think more movie-goers are becoming like me.

When I want to see an big high-tech involved movies, I'll go to the movie theaters (Avengers, Batman, etc).

When I want to watch almost any other movie (drama, comedy, documentary, etc), I'll wait for it to come to rent.

I just don't see the appeal of watching a drama on a movie screen anymore. I got my 50 inch HDTV without the hassle of other people, noise, and prices to watch that stuff.

Big Screen HDTV is killing the success of quality Hollywood movies in theaters.

Doesn't even have to be big screen HDTV. The movie ticket prices are just appalling (13€ for a ticket, YAY!) so no way I'm going to see a film that isn't guaranteed to be an audiovisual spectacle.
Although I do agree with the article that the recent direction of shaky cams and extremely fast cuts sucks ass. Old action films actually allowed you to see the action instead of a whirling mess of shapes.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
I understand why many in this thread think it's BS (they're the comic book loving target audience), but I completely agree with the article. It's clearly nothing new, true. Movies were "dying" in the 70's and Star Wars came along and the blockbuster genre "saved" it. The problem is the blockbusters from that period still had their foundation on story. The typical blockbuster of today has had story completely ripped out. At best, you'll get a little story in the original movie (of a planned series) to set things up. And after that, it's just retarded physics, tons of fighting, and super fast edits. In the last couple years, I've pretty much given up even trying to care anymore. It's futile.

The only real emotion I can even muster on the subject is critics who blame this on video games. Hollywood was always been in the driver's seat on this. And they're the ones who've influenced video games negatively. So don't wrongly assign blame, Mr. Critic.
 
Only thing worse then a movie snob is a music snob. In a time when more content is being made then any other time in history, if you can't find something you like. Then it's your own damn fault.

this. its as if hes trying to say the big budget movies are keeping serious, not-for-the-masses stuff like There Will Be Blood from being made. Which is clearly nonsense.
 
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