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[Raven77]

DX9 vs DX11 is the new "I cant tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps!"

In all honesty i'll admit, i'm a bit of a graphics whore and I love scrutinizing this stuff.

For me, the DX11 should be pushing the foliage and geometry draw distances way out, from what i've seen in some DX11 vista shots, that isn't the case. Very dissapointing.

But then again, in Skyrim you could change the foliage distances and Ugrids to load and force it to render stuff from further away. Only a matter of time before you can do that here as well I would assume.

 

[Sethos]

In all honesty i'll admit, i'm a bit of a graphics whore and I love scrutinizing this stuff.

For me, the DX11 should be pushing the foliage and geometry draw distances way out, from what i've seen in some DX11 vista shots, that isn't the case. Very dissapointing.

But then again, in Skyrim you could change the foliage distances and Ugrids to load and force it to render stuff from further away. Only a matter of time before you can do that here as well I would assume.

That won't happen when it's ports, then they just use the obvious DirectX 11 easy implementable features and crowbar them in. It'll always come down to users tweaking the game, because developers will never really fully utilize the PC's capabilities and the DirectX API beyond what the consoles offer and what's easy to implement.

When games are build from the ground up to support these new APIs we'll see some real nice implementation and performance. I hope next-gen consoles are at least DirectX 11, that will benefit PC gamers as well.

 

[Riggs]

I can only really say so much here. Let's just say I am NA and plan to buy this 100% when Ubisoft lets me ... I would have it right now if I wasn't in america. THAT being said, I am playing the game right now .... I flew to Europe and am playing at a friends house of course.

All that aside, I am really really surprised that this game is running so well for me on my 680, I never drop below 45 fps, mostly 50-60 all the time with 1920X1080 everything on ultra/high, an HDAO, foil coverage enhanced. Very very surprised .... hoping when I purchase this on steam, after I fly back to America, that this is really how the game runs.

 

[MJLord]

I can only really say so much here. Let's just say I am NA and plan to buy this 100% when Ubisoft lets me ... I would have it right now if I wasn't in america.

Cheer up it's normally the other way around for us EU peasants...

 

[Sethos]

One thing that annoys me is the game is taxing my GPU more when you hit ESC and tab out than actually playing it

 

[JRW]

HDAO definitely seems the least intrusive, HBAO has overkill dark shadows under grass etc.

 

[iNvid02]

One thing that annoys me is the game is taxing my GPU more when you hit ESC and tab out than actually playing it

yeah i came back and my card was screaming - the fuck

also, im trying to locate jesus. gotta save him before a panther eats him

 

[YuriLowell]

Okay i'm super confused by these comparison shots.

Why again is there literally NO noticeable difference between DX9 and DX11???

Second guessing a PC purchase, may just get it on the 360 now.

360 version struggles to run at 25fps.

Don't get it.

 

[Xyber]

I can only really say so much here. Let's just say I am NA and plan to buy this 100% when Ubisoft lets me ... I would have it right now if I wasn't in america. THAT being said, I am playing the game right now .... I flew to Europe and am playing at a friends house of course.

You have no right to complain about waiting at all, this is how it is for us Europeans for almost every game release.

 

[Riggs]

Am I the only one that feels bad killing these animals? Like tigers and shit who cares, but Goats / Pigs / etc, poor little animals.

You have no right to complain about waiting at all, this is how it is for us Europeans for almost every game release.

I have every right to complain, as do Europeans. It's complete bullshit, it's all because of brick and mortar stores and horrible publisher rules. There is absolutely no reason to not have a world wide release date on video games in 2012, especially when everything is digital.

 

[LegoArmo]

Am I the only one that feels bad killing these animals? Like tigers and shit who cares, but Goats / Pigs / etc, poor little animals.

I saw some wolves chasing a goat, so I saved it. I'm allowed to kill all the animals in the world now after that good deed.

 

[Ledsen]

But... SMAA doesn't work. Even in DX9 the game just crashes on launch.

 

[Sethos]

I will admit, I'm slowly warming up to the game visually. Especially when you see the sheer size and scope of the game. I felt like I travelled an entire country by what I've seen so far but looking at the map I've travelled like 1/3 - 1/4 of the map.

 

[noomi]

Is it not possible to have any AO while in directx9 mode? or is directx9 limited to SSAO only?

 

[JRW]

Am I the only one that feels bad killing these animals? Like tigers and shit who cares, but Goats / Pigs / etc, poor little animals.

First thing I noticed was your avatar and couldn't help but read your post with Ricky's voice in mind, hilarious.

But ya I was thinking the same thing last-night but then just kept telling myself it's only a video-game.

 

[Sethos]

Is it not possible to have any AO while in directx9 mode? or is directx9 limited to SSAO only?

Every AO mode is available in DX9 except HDAO, however there are config tweaks that can produce a result closer to HDAO.

The DirectX 11 benefits in this game are miniscule, due to poor implementation imo.

 

[Riggs]

I saw some wolves chasing a goat, so I saved it. I'm allowed to kill all the animals in the world now after that good deed.

First thing I noticed was your avatar and couldn't help but read your post with Ricky's voice in mind, hilarious.

But ya I was thinking the same thing last-night but then just kept telling myself it's only a video-game.

Haha I was just swimming and a fucking bullshark bit my arm, so I hopped out the water and killed it with my SMG. Then some asshole bandit dude ran down the hill with his 2 guard dogs and I had to kill them to. I love this game.

 

[noomi]

Every AO mode is available in DX9 except HDAO, however there are config tweaks that can produce a result closer to HDAO.

The DirectX 11 benefits in this game are miniscule, due to poor implementation imo.

Gotcha, so I would have to edit config to have AO work in that case? The options are greyed out for AO ingame after switching to directx9

 

[Sethos]

Gotcha, so I would have to edit config to have AO work in that case? The options are greyed out for AO ingame after switching to directx9

Yeah, the GamerProfile.xml in C:\Users\NAME\Documents\My Games\Far Cry 3 and then the SSAOLevel="X" field. Goes from 0 to 6 afaik, 4 is apparently a sweet spot in DX9 according to other members.

 

[erbazzone]

I'm the only one that the game CRASHES EVERY TWENTY MINUTES?

 

[LemonGremlin]

I'm the only one that the game CRASHES EVERY TWENTY MINUTES?

No there's a lot of us. Try DirectX9?

 

[scitek]

Gotcha, so I would have to edit config to have AO work in that case? The options are greyed out for AO ingame after switching to directx9

Set your config to Read-only and stay out of the video options once you're in-game. It resets SSAO to default if you do.

Downsampling does wonders.

 

[Paradicia]

Would anyone have a gamerprofile.xml with settings that allow a card like a 8800gt run smoothly? Just see settings for high-end cards posted everywhere.. no love for the low end.

 

[Ledsen]

But... SMAA doesn't work. Even in DX9 the game just crashes on launch.

Anyone know how to get it to work?

 

[erbazzone]

No there's a lot of us. Try DirectX9?

I'll try. There's no difference though...

 

[scitek]

Anyone know how to get it to work?

It works for me in DX9. I put all the files in the bin folder.

 

[nashb81]

Game is already starting to feel repetitive.

That's the case with most Ubi games. Is it bad enough to put you off the game though?

 

[Ledsen]

It works for me in DX9. I put all the files in the bin folder.

Are you using nVidia? Settings?

 

[scitek]

Are you using nVidia? Settings?

Yeah Nvidia. Are you using SweetFX? I'm using the normal SMAA injector set at Ultra.

 

[Ledsen]

Yeah Nvidia. Are you using SweetFX? I'm using the normal SMAA injector set at Ultra.

I downloaded injectSMAA from the author's site. I'll try SweetFX.

edit: SweetFX still makes the game crash on startup

 

[Sax Russel]

Switched over to DX9, SSAO level 4, no DoF, no motion blur, SMAA, 2240x1260 and keeping 60 fps all the time. Only really lose out on softer shadows going down from DX11 (unless that's also tweakable?) but definitely better overall.

 

[Sethos]

That's the case with most Ubi games. Is it bad enough to put you off the game though?

No, not right now. There's still the core story that keps you intersted, some variation in how you approach stuff, lots of terrain to explore and new situations. However the core of the gameplay experience is already giving you that "*Sigh* again?" feeling of killing a commander with a knife board challenge, hunt and skin animals, go there and do this hunt challenge etc. plus despite having a huge island it all looks kinda the same.

By the way, regarding the InjectSMAA - Do you need to configure anything in the files to set it for your resolution etc. ? I've seen that mentioned before or does it work out-of-the-box with all resolutions.

 

[Ledsen]

I can't figure out why SMAA doesn't work... I'm on DX9, and I closed D3D Overrider and FRAPS in case they were causing problems... what gives?

 

[scitek]

I downloaded injectSMAA from the author's site. I'll try SweetFX.

edit: SweetFX still makes the game crash on startup

Are you putting just the dll file in the bin folder and the other files in the main directory? Cuz I did that at first and it DID cause the game to crash.

 

[Ledsen]

Are you putting just the dll file in the bin folder and the other files in the main directory? Cuz I did that at first and it DID cause the game to crash.

well no I put everything in the bin folder, like the readme says.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Use Print Screen. Takes a PNG image without HUD and puts in the Far Cry 3 folder in your Documents library.

Really? Is that how it's implemented in the game? That's pretty rad. I've been using Dxtory. Would rather HUD less ones.

 

[jrcbandit]

So is the general consensus to run the game in DX9 mode with some sort of FXAA injector and changing the SSAO setting to 4 (make read only to keep)? I do have a DX11 card (7970) but it sounds like I should expect only 30 fps or less to use DX11 ultra, 2x MSAA, HDAO at 2560x1440.

 

[dark_inferno]

I'm the only one that the game CRASHES EVERY TWENTY MINUTES?

Played like 4 hours today... without any crashes. Do you have DX9 enabled? If yes try DX11. When you used DX11 then try DX9. And do you have 1.01?

I changed from D9 to DX11 today and voila... everything at medium/1024xblabla and 30 fps more (better then the normal 10 fps with everything on low and 800x600 i had befor)

 

[scitek]

well no I put everything in the bin folder, like the readme says.

Hmm... some games (like Crysis) crash if you use an injector unless you put only the dll in the bin folder and the rest of the files in the main directory. That caused this game to not even start for me, but maybe try it anyway.

 

[Ledsen]

Hmm... some games (like Crysis) crash if you use an injector unless you put only the dll in the bin folder and the rest of the files in the main directory. That caused this game to not even start for me, but maybe try it anyway.

Tried it, the game works but there is no SMAA.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

I can't figure out why SMAA doesn't work... I'm on DX9, and I closed D3D Overrider and FRAPS in case they were causing problems... what gives?

Both were crashing my game as well. I don't understand why; yet there are people running smaa?

 

[KyleN]

Tried it, the game works but there is no SMAA.

Disable the in-game FXAA. FXAALevel="0"

 

[Sethos]

If I disable FXAA, add the DX10 injector .dll ( Which should also work for DX11 ) I only get a black screen during startup however I can hear the sound and the hear the menu options being selected.

 

[Ledsen]

Disable the in-game FXAA. FXAALevel="0"

Did that... still crash on startup. Sigh...

 

[scitek]

Tried it, the game works but there is no SMAA.

Both were crashing my game as well. I don't understand why; yet there are people running smaa?

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[Ledsen]

lol I can't even enable FXAA through that .xml... I can disable DoF so I know I did it right, but if I put FXAA=0 or 2 there's no difference.

 

[Sethos]

I just read that DX9 actually has more distant objects / trees compared to DX11

DX9: http://www.abload.de/img/dx95sx6a.jpg

DX11: http://www.abload.de/img/dx11viz7e.jpg

Someone up for a comparison to see if this is true?

 

[thabiz]

Same picture Sethos.

Edit: Is that seriously the difference between the two. They look practicaly identical, expect for the aforementioned trees.

 

[scitek]

Same picture Sethos.

Edit: Is that seriously the difference between the two. The look practical identical, expect for the aforementioned trees.

Yeah, it's not much of a difference just because the game's designed for consoles and has DX11 features added after the fact. The DX11 AO looks pretty nice, though.

 

[JRW]

Is it weird that I'm playing FC3 @ 1280x720 in order to achieve solid 60fps @ Ultra / DX11 / Vsync enabled, or should I be trying to figure out a better balance of settings at my monitors 1920x1080 native res.

Not sure but I'm really enjoying the smoothness of 60fps , at 1080p even at Very High it hovers around 40fps