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I'm sorry but it had to be said, the comparison isn't even close.

MLG has put out greatness during H3 and even Reach became bearable when I played MLG. For one the Sanctuary they made performed better than the one the developers made. They put out good stuff, To hate on MLG for getting a playlist is just lame. Especially considering how many of you want a stripped/competitive playlist.

Where most Forge maps you generally hear things like "How the hell is this in MM?" "What were they thinking?". All they thought was that was the best of the best, because its such a miserable pool of filfth. Besides what Forge community? There are a few aren't there? and they all have different views on what the gametype would be...whereas MLG is a single entity you can work with them and get a single gametype nailed down.
 

Karl2177

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I'm sorry but it had to be said, the comparison isn't even close.

MLG has put out greatness during H3 and even Reach became bearable when I played MLG. For one the Sanctuary they made performed better than the one the developers made. They put out good stuff, To hate on MLG for getting a playlist is just lame. Especially considering how many of you want a stripped/competitive playlist.

Where most Forge maps you generally hear things like "How the hell is this in MM?" "What were they thinking?". All they thought was that was the best of the best, because its such a miserable pool of filfth. Besides what Forge community? There are a few aren't there? and they all have different views on what the gametype would be...whereas MLG is a single entity you can work with them and get a single gametype nailed down.

Don't forget though, the MLG Reach gametype was shit to start off with.
 
Don't forget though, the MLG Reach gametype was shit to start off with.

Elaborate.

I recall it was better than Arena...the competitive playlist the developers gave us. Really AR's in the first couple seasons? Have you learned nothing in the past two games and years of Halo Bungie?

DMR starts and less AA's. Bloom was the main reason it stunk and that was a game-wide issue.
 
I'll give you everything but gunplay.

I know its "realistic" but the guns feel inconsistent and innacurate to me. Like BC2's guns better.

Hmm interesting.

As awesome as the Battlefield series has always been, gunplay was never its strong suit, but in BF3 they really nailed the gunplay for me. Feels so good.
 

enzo_gt

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Hopefully MLG playlists aren't as snoozeworthy as they've been in the past and they inject some creative uses of more of the sandbox into them, not holding my breath though.
 

IHaveIce

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even MLG at start had armor lock, but I agree with juices, I take a mlg list anytime over a forge playlist. Eventhough the reach mlg list was in the last months not updated it was in the end the best playlist.
 

Karl2177

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Elaborate.

I recall it was better than Arena...the competitive playlist the developers gave us. Really AR's in the first couple seasons? Have you learned nothing in the past two games and years of Halo Bungie?

DMR starts and less AA's. Bloom was the main reason it stunk and that was a game-wide issue.

Better than early Arena isn't saying a whole lot. It still had AL. And the map selection was only marginally better than Arena's.
 

Overdoziz

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Better than early Arena isn't saying a whole lot. It still had AL. And the map selection was only marginally better than Arena's.
That's the 'Let's keep shitty elements of the base game so casual players will want to play and watch MLG' phase. They get over that eventually.
 

CyReN

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I don't think people have issues with the gametypes, but potential management. MLG goal is to get their name out there to the Halo community (who can fault them for that) If they are updated everyone for them for the most part, but if it's Reach again people will get mad. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt right now.
 
Yea I think they need to SKIP the lets try everything out phase and remove AA's from the game, make the no flinch perk universal and let people choose DMR Carbine or BR.

I also think if they go Social again it would be the dumbest move ever. Still cant believe Bungie didn't step in and say no we need MLG to be the new Arena ranking. Noone is going to care about MLG if you cant PROVE you kick ass at a video game. Not everyone can prove it at events, because kids are 10 and have 6 dollars. I kid but you see the point right?
 
Yea I think they need to SKIP the lets try everything out phase and remove AA's from the game, make the no flinch perk universal and let people choose DMR Carbine or BR.

I also think if they go Social again it would be the dumbest move ever. Still cant believe Bungie didn't step in and say no we need MLG to be the new Arena ranking. Noone is going to care about MLG if you cant PROVE you kick ass at a video game. Not everyone can prove it at events, because kids are 10 and have 6 dollars. I kid but you see the point right?

Light Rifle plz
 

JHall

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Yea I think they need to SKIP the lets try everything out phase and remove AA's from the game, make the no flinch perk universaland let people choose DMR Carbine or BR.

I also think if they go Social again it would be the dumbest move ever. Still cant believe Bungie didn't step in and say no we need MLG to be the new Arena ranking. Noone is going to care about MLG if you cant PROVE you kick ass at a video game. Not everyone can prove it at events, because kids are 10 and have 6 dollars. I kid but you see the point right?

Not being able to ping snipers out to scope is extremely annoying. Imagine that they don't flinch while not being knocked out of scope; the rage will be endless.
 
I don't think you can give people any of the specialization perks in custom loadouts.

Jokes... Right?
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I don't think you can give people any of the specialization perks in custom loadouts.

343 can, We can't

Why dont they get knocked out of scope? Are the two connected thats crazy!?

Snipers Flinch now but stay scoped. Its shitty. Team Snipers is a cluster fuck the best way to win is ping the body and then slow down your aim for the headshot or pop off a second quick bodyshot that way you can almost gaurentee the kill because the other guy is looking at the sky
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
Surely 343 would have the ability to do it though?

Well if they can't do it on LAN for custom games then they shouldn't put it in the playlist.

I wish we were getting a real competitive playlist rather than MLG even though I know the MLG playlist will probably be good. Still don't know how Ghostayame disappears for a couple years and then becomes the creator of MLG gametypes. Kinda curious about how that happened. AGL will probably use their own settings again so we're in this mess again. At this point I would rather MLG settings be the competitive standard and then everyone work with MLG to change it up when necessary. Especially because I don't see Halo 4 being successful with MLG again, or as successful as it has been in the past. Unless it's scaled back in some way.

This playlist should seriously be 343's to have control of. And that doesn't mean have them make the gametypes, it just means have them be the moderator with all these different communities.
 

CyReN

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Well if they can't do it on LAN for custom games then they shouldn't put it in the playlist.

I wish we were getting a real competitive playlist rather than MLG even though I know the MLG playlist will probably be good. Still don't know how Ghostayame disappears for a couple years and then becomes the creator of MLG gametypes. Kinda curious about how that happened. AGL will probably use their own settings again so we're in this mess again. At this point I would rather MLG settings be the competitive standard and then everyone work with MLG to change it up when necessary. Especially because I don't see Halo 4 being successful with MLG again, or as successful as it has been in the past. Unless it's scaled back in some way.

This playlist should seriously be 343's to have control of. And that doesn't mean have them make the gametypes, it just means have them be the moderator with all these different communities.

That would be the common sense solution, we have to think of ways on how to make it backwards then initiate that way. It's the only way on how to do things for Halo now.
 
Did 343 ever say why none of the 3 Forge maps were put into matchmaking?

And do we have an ETA of when we can expect them to be implemented?
 

Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
That would be the common sense solution, we have to think of ways on how to make it backwards then initiate that way. It's the only way on how to do things for Halo now.

Well I think if we organize and show well thought-out problems and possible solutions to this issue to 343, we can get it done. Because it doesn't really make sense for MLG to have control over a playlist if they won't be running tournaments, while AGL puts on a great show but they're left with their own unknown custom gametypes.

I would urge Bravo, even though I know he has had a great history with MLG, to take this approach of a unified competitive community Halo playlist rather than just an MLG playlist(potentially down the line). It's been talked about it for a while now and we're at the point in time where we can make the same mistake or we can learn from it, try something new and give the competitive community a chance to really grow.
 

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Yea I think they need to SKIP the lets try everything out phase and remove AA's from the game, make the no flinch perk universal and let people choose DMR Carbine or BR.

I also think if they go Social again it would be the dumbest move ever. Still cant believe Bungie didn't step in and say no we need MLG to be the new Arena ranking. Noone is going to care about MLG if you cant PROVE you kick ass at a video game. Not everyone can prove it at events, because kids are 10 and have 6 dollars. I kid but you see the point right?
H2 Gametypes w/ Forge H2 remakes, ship it.
 

Conor 419

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Also, as I haven't been paying much attention to Halo 4. How has it been received outside of HaloGaf? Is the user activity toe to toe with Reach? Higher/Lower?
 
Also, as I haven't been paying much attention to Halo 4. How has it been received outside of HaloGaf? Is the user activity toe to toe with Reach? Higher/Lower?

We don't really have solid numbers, but people here like to think it's lower. The disparity between how Bungie counted players and how 343 does makes it difficult.

My experience so far has been more of my friends are playing Halo than they ever did during Reach. Anecdotes are science, of course.
 

senador

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Also, as I haven't been paying much attention to Halo 4. How has it been received outside of HaloGaf? Is the user activity toe to toe with Reach? Higher/Lower?

Most people hate it because there is no custom server browser. Those people deserve felonies.
 
I am becoming increasingly frustrated by the lack of options in forge and custom gametypes. Shield doors can only be blue and you only get six. Dominion shields can be any color and you get 30, but there is no way to turn off collision for every team at the same time. There are very few options for windows and the tinted blue glass is more opaque than transparent. Trait zones lack the ability to change weapons. There is no forge map that allows maps to be at the surface of the water because the soft kill zones are several meters above. I could go on.
 
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