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MS banning users over Halo 4 DLC debacle
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Palette Swap
Member
Welp, if splitscreen is what leads to bans, that would be consistent with how this game gives no fuck about couch coop/mp to begin with.
Why do you say that?
The graphics were not worth the sacrifices made to game play. The battles were much more toned down compared to its predecessors.
Inducing another to break a contract with a third party is against the law.
Some would consider that "shady." Just sayin'.
Palette Swap
Member
Off the top of my head:
- no campaign scoring/commendations.
- no campaign difficulty scaling in coop.
- some really stupid loading/teleporting points. I mean, there always are some but there were a number of places where we wondered if someone had actually tried the levels in coop.
- firefight could be played offline, you could use both player profiles and tweak it with skulls. It's replaced with spartan ops, an online only mode where the second player can't use their profile without gold and has to tinker with loadouts every time you start playing.
It might all seem minor but we honestly don't see ourselves replaying it as much as we've been replaying Reach or 3.
There's some great stuff in the game but if you're into splitscreen, on a number of points, it's a regression compared to 3/ODST/Reach.
That's something I noticed on my second playthrough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lM-yfeFUjcA
I mean, just take a look at that part of The Ark with the Scarab. Don't think anything in Halo 4 even gets close to how big that level is. Hell, a lot of levels in Halo 1 are much bigger than in Halo 4.
Ok .. are you trolling or not lol? This is the exact post that was used for Halo 3.
You can't even delevel in Halo 4
Irrelevant thing is totally irrelevant.
That's just their boilerplate text used for the ban-thread's first post - this isn't a text specific to these recent instances.
NinjaTehFish
Banned
......I.....Well......THANKS!
NinjaBoiX
Member
No, they fucked up, pretended it was on purpose, and then blamed the users.
Get it right, you're making them sound bad.
Wait what
Visualante2
Member
This kind of shit puts me off buying future consoles from Microsoft. Honestly.
It's the number one safest way to ensure you are compliant with Microsoft's bullshit.
It's the number one safest way to ensure you are compliant with Microsoft's bullshit.
dark_prinny
Banned
This whole thing is utterly disgusting.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Please don't tell me they mean not playing once in the game.
I know, and I'm not saying they are a charity. But they could have banned everyone who got the games for free, or at least deleted them from their accounts, and they chose to do neither. That was obviously nothing more than a PR move, but it still gained them a lot of respect from me.
Right but that really has nothing to do with what has happened the last couple days. That is their original post in that thread a while ago.
MMaRsu
Banned
FUCK. Some of you goddamn people on Neogaf piss me the hell off. Corporate buttlickers who would do anything to piss on legitimate customers.
If a STORE puts a game out, and SELLS it without a prior warning then it's not the consumers fault he bought the game, wether he or she is aware that Microsoft might ban your ass, the consumer is not in the wrong here.
It's not SHADY to ask for a game, and if you get it how is it SHADY if the store sold it to you?
People applauding people being banned for being legit customers is honestly disgusting and this is why we as consumers ( and especially gamers ) will continue to ploughed in the ass by the big companies.
If a STORE puts a game out, and SELLS it without a prior warning then it's not the consumers fault he bought the game, wether he or she is aware that Microsoft might ban your ass, the consumer is not in the wrong here.
It's not SHADY to ask for a game, and if you get it how is it SHADY if the store sold it to you?
People applauding people being banned for being legit customers is honestly disgusting and this is why we as consumers ( and especially gamers ) will continue to ploughed in the ass by the big companies.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Someone needs some paprika to calm down. A lot of people here do. Quite a lot of points can be directed without getting personal.
Yes, Microsoft has a fucked up policy.
Yes, people should be aware of it by now.
Yes, banning people for Halo 4 DLC is fucked up.
Yes, banning people for getting an early copy of the game is fucked up.
Yes, people should be aware of Microsoft banning for weird reasons by now.
Yes, Microsoft should honor the purchases made during this debacle.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Its going to be weird seeing consumers still supporting this awful company in droves when the 720 comes around because "all my xdudes are on that list already, mang, i can't leave them hangin".
MMaRsu
Banned
Yeah I'm skipping Xbox 720 or Xbox New whatever it's going to be called. You pay for Xbox Live and your dash gets plastered with ADS and you'll get banned if you idle in Halo 4 or buy a popular game pre-launch.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Which is why I:
1. Love PC gaming.
2. Love PS3 gaming.
Early copy? Who cares. Free copies via weird discounts? Always honored (and if not, at least they won't ban you). Online gaming? Always free. Downloading a game in multiple systems? Go right ahead.
Tiu Neo
Member
Yeah. I really loved my xbox, but can't support what Microsoft has made with it on the last few years. I'll skip 720, at least until Microsoft changes.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I aways end up getting every box because I'm a gaming fiend and there'll always be one or two exclusives I'll trick myself into feeling like I can't live without, but I started this generation really quite pro-Xbox. That feeling has disappeared entirely after shitty hardware failures, irrationally locking free apps behind pay subs (oh and keeping that pay sub going for peer to peer gaming), insane anti-consumer practicises like this, oh and of course gutting and shuttering a whole swarthe of studios.
Hopefully they'll hard region lock the 720 too so I can feel theyve reached their scummy lowest. Not that I expect the 720 to exist in Japan, so probly no big deal...
â Narayan
Member
As much as I like Halo, I'm pretty much done with Microsoft after this generation. Complete and total bullshit going on over here. My Xbox Live subscription terminates after this month. Good thing I removed all of my credit card information.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
While the situation has been poorly handled, Im more disgusted by the fact that people think this is the norm. The drive-by antics are the worst, they dont care for the users effected and plug away like a marketing firm. Truly disgusting.
MS should fucking man up for their mistake for fuck sake.
MS should fucking man up for their mistake for fuck sake.
Diablohead
Member
What a cockup for such a big title, broken specilization codes, banning split screen players using the crimson map pack and of course the whole double xp thing which only works in america.
it seems all the big games do something stupid when it comes to dlc and they never learn.
that's what you think now, wait until you get an auto confirmation for a new year of live!
it seems all the big games do something stupid when it comes to dlc and they never learn.
∀ Narayan;45508590 said:
that's what you think now, wait until you get an auto confirmation for a new year of live!
â Narayan
Member
That would piss me off beyond belief. I called Microsoft Support earlier in the year and had them remove my credit card info.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
∀ Narayan;45508905 said:
Did you specifically tell them you want to cancel the service? Removing credit card number isn't the same.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Trivia: The points that MS gives away always expire after a certain time if you don't redeem it. It's their way of avoiding people collecting them to buy something later down the road.
grimshawish
Banned
Halo's online set up is fucking horrible. What happened to Halo 3 was purely anti-consumer.
This is just more bullshit. And ON A PAID FOR SERVICE!
Its a truely horrible service; third parties are held in line but MS fucks over customers themselves.
This is just more bullshit. And ON A PAID FOR SERVICE!
Its a truely horrible service; third parties are held in line but MS fucks over customers themselves.
If you got no receipt, your points are not 100% "legit".
"almost certainly legitimate" <- what a hand wave.
Microsoft should be required by law to provide this information to anyone that is automatically banned. Legal action should be on the table here.
From a technical standpoint they should be obligated to explain the underpinnings of the automatic banning algorithm. Also a technical report explaining the false positive rate should also be required.
RpgN
Junior Member
While sometimes PSN feels like it's run by a bunch of morons (so many errors happen on their SCEE store, it's very unprof.), I'm glad that sometimes we also get benefits out of it. By that I mean temporarily being able to DL games for free and they don't ban you or take the games away from you once you have it on your DL history.
Sometimes consumers will have to deal with problems and a lack of communication (hello hacking scandal), but at the end of the day, consumers should always be treated like kings as long as they don't make any mistakes from their part.
I'm sure Microsoft did not do this deliberately, but they should think more about a consumer's satisfaction and loyalty. From what I'm reading, it sounds like they're too easy to use their ban hammers over what? Playing Halo 4 before official release date and DLing a DLC that's not supposed to be free? Now they might have set an automatic system or the DLC code itself is really messed up. In that case they should perhaps adjust the system so that problems like that don't happen as easily in the future.
Audioboxer
Member
I remember I downloaded Uncharted Golden Abyss for the Vita near launch for 69p or something. Sony accidentally linked the full game download to a Map Pack. Still have the game to this day.
When companies cock-up with digital content the best PR is just to suck it up and fix it for future purchases (stealth ninja fix and you're done). An exploit where there isn't otherwise a clear cock-up by said company is different (such as modifying code to get something). Simply going through the store and clicking buy is not the fault of the consumer, regardless of whether they knew about the problem or didn't - You cannot conduct any sort of check to factually find out, so playing the point the finger game is company suicide. As is listing generic T&C's bulletpoints like we live in a world of robots and not human beings.
I also remember From Software releasing super strong black phantoms to hunt down those playing Dark Souls early, such fun. Banning people for it is simply black and white bullshit. All that is needed for MP is a stat reset come launch day.
When companies cock-up with digital content the best PR is just to suck it up and fix it for future purchases (stealth ninja fix and you're done). An exploit where there isn't otherwise a clear cock-up by said company is different (such as modifying code to get something). Simply going through the store and clicking buy is not the fault of the consumer, regardless of whether they knew about the problem or didn't - You cannot conduct any sort of check to factually find out, so playing the point the finger game is company suicide. As is listing generic T&C's bulletpoints like we live in a world of robots and not human beings.
I also remember From Software releasing super strong black phantoms to hunt down those playing Dark Souls early, such fun. Banning people for it is simply black and white bullshit. All that is needed for MP is a stat reset come launch day.
Jim E. Rossler
Banned
First of all, from what I understand from Admins, [Wrongful bans] are really rare. If it’s not a legitimate DLC, Microsoft has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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