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The War Z: shady, misleading and false advertising.

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Parallacs

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“The major difference is that DayZ is a fantastic mod for a hardcore military simulation game, so it is all set in that type of environment. We are creating a standalone game, with the entire world designed around a zombie apocalypse, so that players feel completely immersed in that environment. We want players to see the signs of struggle and destruction from humans fighting with zombies and have that sense of fear and anxiety when they are exploring the world.”
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Players will have a sense of fear and anxiety about floating backpacks, walking down small hills, and shallow bodies of water.
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
Parallacs said:
Players will have a sense of fear and anxiety about floating backpacks, walking down small hills, and shallow bodies of water.
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In dayz players will have a great sense of danger about ghostly infected that trespass walls and doors that will crush your existence in a hemophiliac-ridden survivor country. the next town is only 40 minutes of real time running away anyways.

See? anyone can dumb down games.
 
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BlackJace

Member
blitzcloud said:
In dayz players will have a great sense of danger about ghostly infected that trespass walls and doors that will crush your existence in a hemophiliac-ridden survivor country. the next town is only 40 minutes of real time running away anyways.

See? anyone can dumb down games.
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Why are you doing this?
 
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railGUN

Banned
blitzcloud said:
In dayz players will have a great sense of danger about ghostly infected that trespass walls and doors that will crush your existence in a hemophiliac-ridden survivor country. the next town is only 40 minutes of real time running away anyways.

See? anyone can dumb down games.
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Free mod is free.
 
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Mahonay

Banned
blitzcloud said:
In dayz players will have a great sense of danger about ghostly infected that trespass walls and doors that will crush your existence in a hemophiliac-ridden survivor country. the next town is only 40 minutes of real time running away anyways.

See? anyone can dumb down games.
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Except DayZ's core map is interesting, detailed, and offers endless choices for strategy (WarZ's Colorado is excruciatingly bland and poorly laid out/designed). Best running simulator this side of fun town!

Zombies being glitchy... Sure, it's a mod of a military simulator. Not exactly built for that purpose. It's excusable. It's a mod. That's free.

So :p
SRTtoZ said:
Most likely a War Z dev.
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You must be some kind of internet detective.
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
railGUN said:
Free mod is free.
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That's it. It's free. No further discussion! You can't beat free.

Except I had to pay the company who hired rocket while the mod was in development, making it an official asset of the game almost for a game+expansion. Yeah, I could probably have bought arma 2 OA and have a worse looking game than warz on low

Mahonay said:
Except DayZ's core map is interesting, detailed, and offers endless choices for strategy (WarZ's Colorado is excruciatingly bland and poorly laid out/designed). Best running simulator this side of fun town!
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Of course it's well detailed and interesting, they copied real life buildings and locations. Omg, these devs have no shame! coming up with new stuff is the real hard thing.

Okay, that last sentence was trolling
 
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Mahonay

Banned
blitzcloud said:
Yeah, I could probably have bought arma 2 OA and have a worse looking game than warz on low
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blitzcloud

Banned
Mahonay said:
Uh
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Well, apparently arma 2 free assets are like the player clothing, completely low res (unless you buy the dlc). But I don't regret it one bit. While I regret getting war Z on alpha, I would not regret getting the basic pack now on steam. It can be fun if you embrace it rather than repel it with every nitpicky detail that surfaces about it, having that vicious circle that never ends.

But I do agree they lied about many things... and many things are blown out of proportion too.
 
onken

onken

Member
antitrop said:
Their removal of WarZ overnight shows that they do take customer satisfaction into account.

They can't be blamed for letting the game on there in the first place, they can only be blamed if they did not respond to the situation in an appropriate manner (which is not the case after today).
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Uh, yes they can. How hard is it for them to fire the game up for an hour or so to confirm it isn't totally broken?

Let's not be naive here. Valve played WarZ, they realized what a piece of shit it was and still decided to put it up because they figured the backlash wouldn't be so bad.
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

Banned
onken said:
Uh, yes they can. How hard is it for them to fire the game up for an hour or so to confirm it isn't totally broken?

Let's not be naive here. Valve played WarZ, they realized what a piece of shit it was and still decided to put it up because they figured the backlash wouldn't be so bad.
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Team Gaben has better shit to do than check up on some asshole's integrity issues IMO.
 
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DTKT

Member
onken said:
Uh, yes they can. How hard is it for them to fire the game up for an hour or so to confirm it isn't totally broken?

Let's not be naive here. Valve played WarZ, they realized what a piece of shit it was and still decided to put it up because they figured the backlash wouldn't be so bad.
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I really don't think they played it.
 
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Sysgen

Member
Green Yoshi said:
Sergey Titov has the record for lowest scoring metacritic game of all time with an 8/100.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/big-rigs-over-the-road-racing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Stone

But at least it had almost four times the user rating than WarZ currently has. ^^
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So if you read the Gamespot review:

In theory, Big Rigs is supposed to be a racing game based on big trucks that speed through various US trucking routes in some kind of effort to deliver cargo before the competition gets there first--or else the truck gets busted by the law. At least, this is what the back of the game's box would have you believe. Let us make it very clear that these statements are all horrible, horrible lies. There is no coherent goal in Big Rigs. There is no cargo to be delivered. There are no police chases. In fact, there really isn't anything much in the game.
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DownWithTheShip

Member
At this point I have zero confidence in the game

Unfortunately Paypal says the due to the type of transaction involved they can't help me with a refund, and that I should contact Xsolla, which I have done. Not sure why since it was paid through Paypal.

I hope I can at least get a refund for the difference in price. It's quite lower than what I paid.
 
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CzarTim

Member
DownWithTheShip said:
At this point I have zero confidence in the game

Unfortunately Paypal says the due to the type of transaction involved they can't help me with a refund, and that I should contact Xsolla, which I have done. Not sure why since it was paid through Paypal.

I hope I can at least get a refund for the difference in price. It's quite lower than what I paid.
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I just filed a complaint for mine too. Hope it goes through.
 
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Darryl

Banned
i bet the internet community is going to follow the path of outrage, excessive outrage, "hold up guys, it isn't that bad", followed by "it was all a mistake" after the developers hold some charity fundraiser and then the game becomes massively popular. just throwin it out there
 
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Parallacs

Member
blitzcloud said:
In dayz players will have a great sense of danger about ghostly infected that trespass walls and doors that will crush your existence in a hemophiliac-ridden survivor country. the next town is only 40 minutes of real time running away anyways.

See? anyone can dumb down games.
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Relax. It's just a joke. I'm glad you enjoy the game.
 
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WedgeX

Banned
MacGurcules said:
Your link is busted. Not hard to track down the article, though. Dude actually comes off as half reasonable in that interview. I still won't ever buy his game, but at least he doesn't seem to be blaming his customers anymore.
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And PC Gamer acting as a press release mouth piece.

2. Map Size—We have always stated that our maps would range from 100—400km squared and that we would launch with one map "Colorado," and then follow up with additional maps in the first quarter of 2013. Nothing has changed, however I believe the wording on the Steam page could have been interpreted as there currently being more than one game world available
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No follow up whatsoever to the map actually being 10 sq km. Unless he's being super crafty by saying "would range" as in the distant future.
 
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antitrop

Member
His English is much better and far more coherent in the PCGamer interview.
I feel like the GameSpy interview was really Titov, but the PCGamer interview was with a PR rep pretending to be Titov.
PC Gamer claims the interview is unedited, there's no way it's really him.

PC Gamer interview:
"Yes, we think this is the best way to serve their customers and we respect their decision. As you know we’ve been publicly available since October 15. Over that time I think we (the developers) got used to and took it for granted that players knew what state the game was in and how it was a constantly evolving project, with new features being added on and ongoing basis."

GameSpy interview:
"Max players -- I'm not sure why this is even an issue. [The] text clearly stated "up to 100 players." And 50 players [which] we have right now -- is what our players -- our community feels is comfortable level for them to play."

Look at the difference. I suppose it's possible that he was really tired and stressed when he gave the GameSpy interview, but had a night's rest and a shitty day behind him to give the PC Gamer interview, I don't know.
 
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Card Boy

Banned
A War-Z fansite is no longer supporting the game and shut down the site because of the contraversy and dodgy practices the game has surrounding it.

You may have noticed that warzcentral.com stopped posting (and playing) around the Thanksgiving update. We could no longer promote a game company that consistently misleads it's customers. We should know we are also customers. We also tried to report news and provide editorials but there was no consistency and too many contradictions. This made our job of reporting facts EXTREMELY difficult. We reached out MANY times to get facts and feedback from the source(s) to no avail. After the update to the clan system and how that whole thing was handled left us with a bad taste in our mouth. We felt the line of thinking that the war z was now "released" and now a service after the foundation release (Sergey's words) combined with lack of proper management and strange business practices (like passing the burden of cost of features that use data backend to the customer) was a huge red flag. We are not surprised by the recent news that steam has dropped the war z and is looking into deleted posts and unwarranted bans on their forums, something we are way too familiar with here on their own forum (we will see how long this one lasts, maybe a while since Kewk (Community Manager) is currently in LasVegas). Again no surprise. We think this game had potential but has essentially been ruined by poor management and poor business decisions/practices.

To the players and friends we have made here. We wish you luck in finding a game that lets you play with your friends and have a good time without a bunch of sophomoric drama, misleading promises, features that cost more money, and censorship in a public forum. Look for us there because we can't find it here.

WarZCentral.com Crew
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http://www.warzcentral.com/?index

You cannot make this shit up.

Also Kewk's twitter, there are afew choice quotes from there.

https://twitter.com/KewkD

You guys will get a good laugh out of this one. A screenshot from the current game in a safezone (read the tiny writting)

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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/...hlights-need-for-better-player-communication/
 
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Truant

Member
It sucks for the honest people working on this game, but I'm glad that consumers are letting developers know that shit like this don't fly.
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
Truant said:
It sucks for the honest people working on this game, but I'm glad that consumers are letting developers know that shit like this don't fly.
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by many of them not even being consumers trying to shit on the game till everyone has no game at all because they shut it down?

Sounds appropriate.
 
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Truant

Member
blitzcloud said:
by many of them not even being consumers trying to shit on the game till everyone has no game at all because they shut it down?

Sounds appropriate.
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The game truly sucks, so I really don't see a problem with that. I played it for a couple of hours and it felt like a bottom shelf gameloft game in all aspects.
 
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BurnOutBrighter

Banned
blitzcloud said:
by many of them not even being consumers trying to shit on the game till everyone has no game at all because they shut it down?

Sounds appropriate.
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Yes it does. Let this be a warning to developers trying to scam us with overblown promises and empty alpha releases passed off as feature-complete games.
 
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Sethos

Banned
Damn, there's so many defenders of the game and the practices on their forums.


Seriously, have we really reached a point where everything will be defended no matter how shit, shady and shocking it is?
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
Sethos said:
Damn, there's so many defenders of the game and the practices on their forums.

Seriously, have we really reached a point where everything will be defended no matter how shit, shady and shocking it is?
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Or maybe they feel attacked by outsiders of the community/game that in many times talk out of their ass?

I know, that's inconceivable

Truant said:
The game truly sucks, so I really don't see a problem with that. I played it for a couple of hours and it felt like a bottom shelf gameloft game in all aspects.
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opinion, again. What if I have fun when I'm playing it? Oh that must be impossible too, because the internet told me so.
 
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Sethos

Banned
blitzcloud said:
Or maybe they feel attacked by outsiders of the community/game that in many times talk out of their ass?

I know, that's inconceivable



opinion, again. What if I have fun when I'm playing it? Oh that must be impossible too, because the internet told me so.
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Shill?
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
Sethos said:
Shill?
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hater?

Sorry I fail to see your point. Apparently it's find that people make a parade on the internet against the game they never bought and judge upon videos of some internet persona. But hey, that's alright with me, I would not post for either side in the official forums as they're normally the bottom line of human intellect (almost any official forum for a game turns out like that ).
 
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Sethos

Banned
blitzcloud said:
hater?

Sorry I fail to see your point. Apparently it's find that people make a parade on the internet against the game they never bought and judge upon videos of some internet persona. But hey, that's alright with me, I would not post for either side in the official forums as they're normally the bottom line of human intellect (almost any official forum for a game turns out like that ).
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Sorry, I can't take you seriously.
 
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ittoryu

Member
I thought I did play many horrible games, but this is way worst than expected.
Bugs, empty... the real definition of "unpleasant".

Also: if that guy can be a community manager, then I should really think of stepping up my career and become the next Pope.
 
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blitzcloud

Banned
Sethos said:
Sorry, I can't take you seriously.
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Not that I even remotely care. I have the dayzgaf group to attest that I played (and I am playing dayz) but also mentioned War Z to them and what is it like.

my damn avatar is an insider joke about me and grenades in Dayz, for starters.

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I have always talked about how they are different experiences in terms of scope. WarZ is drop-in, drop out. Small movement because it has a greater sense of danger that doesn't come with "kilometric" snipers... a more down to earth situation, more akin to the walking dead.

I also recently posted about how the devs factually lied to the playerbase. The reasons specified warrant rage over steam description (and website description), because it is misleading to say the least, game development time lies and pricing structure lies. Is that enough to bury the game dragging the playerbase out of a game they are playing and reasonably enjoying? Just because "big rigs" "LoL tos" and all that information that people copypasta everywhere by (mostly) people who didn't touch the game with a 10 foot pole?

Get off your high horse, please.
 
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Dawg

Member
I've always wondered something about War Z. I saw that quote from the 2 year dev cycle, but...

DayZ was basically quite unique, sure it had zombies like Left For Dead, Killing Floor and loads of other zombie games, but it was open world and the creators didn't even expect it to get this huge and popular. Then, all of a sudden the game gets popular and The War Z pops up.

To me, it just feels like a "f2p (+base game price) moneygrab" version of Day Z.
 
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