• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2012 (Dec 17 - Dec 23)

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Wow wiiu outsells ps3 and vita combined and the reaction is wiiu doomed?
But WiiU does not outsell ps3, vita and psp combined, so your argument is void.
 

Thoraxes

Member
Wait...

People are dooming over like a 4.1k drop?

What is going on? It's still double-ish the next best best selling console.
 

Sadist

Member
Maybe not bad, but a little underwhelming compared to previous week, seeing how 3DS and PSP had a boost whereas Wii U dropped.

On the other hand, Wii U software - I mean SMBU, NintendoLand and MH3U - is selling quite well all things being considered.
That was to be expected right?

In these threads we're mostly talking about handheld dominance and how consoles aren't as relevant anymore in Japan. All things considered, I'd say Wii U's performance isn't bad at all. A 4k drop for a console without the Wii Sports-like killerapp and a higher pricepoint than Wii needs to be considered here.
 
No need to contextualize? I just think the game would have sold more overall, and it would have helped them build the brand on the 3DS as well, is all.

Oh I see, the old "all games should be on 3DS, no other platform should get support"

That makes no sense, If you want to use the userbase argument then all games for the japanese market should be made for GREEE/Mobile/Etc.

So I will make this question, why you say 3DS & not the mobile platforms if their userbase is bigger?
 

Majmun

Member
Wow wiiu outsells ps3 and vita combined and the reaction is wiiu doomed?

Well, it's a new Nintendo console released three weeks ago during holiday season. And there don't seem to be any shortages, unlike with the original Wii.

Plus it launched with a new NSMB and a MH game. And this week usually goes with hardware + software getting a sales boost.

So yeah, I can image people being surprised by the Wii U HW drop...
 

Thoraxes

Member
Well, it's a new console released three weeks ago during holiday season. And there don't seem to be any shortages, unlike with the original Wii.

Plus it launched with a new NSMB and a MH game. And this week usually goes with hardware + software getting a sales boost.

So yeah, I can image people being surprised by the Wii U HW drop...

Where's the story about no shortages?
 
So uh, we're damning the Wii U to doomed status?

Well that was quick. Or my sarcasm detector must be broken. 3DS in beast mode.
No, GAF just has a big chicken little squad.

Week 1: Sold less than Vita!!!!! Just wait till next week when it really bombs .
Week 2: over 50% drop!!!! Just wait till next week where it drops below 100k.
Week 3: It dropped 4 K!!!!!! Just wait till the holidays are over and it is screwed.

For the record, I do expect dismal january sales. Unless Nintendo has a more complete release list for january.
 

Erethian

Member
Wait...

People are dooming over like a 4.1k drop?

What is going on? It's still double-ish the next best best selling console.

There was an expectation sales would increase over the previous week because this is the biggest sales week of the year.

Of course it also depends on what your expectations are for a console in Japan in this day and age.
 
Oh I see, the old "all games should be on 3DS, no other platform should get support"

That makes no sense, If you want to use the userbase argument then all games for the japanese market should be made for GREEE/Mobile/Etc.

So I will make this question, why you say 3DS & not the mobile platforms if their userbase is bigger?

You're paranoid. I'm not going to reply to you anymore from here on :p
 

yon61

Member
Wait...

People are dooming over like a 4.1k drop?

What is going on? It's still double-ish the next best best selling console.

The fact is that it dropped during the week before Christmas, and that really isn't a good sign for the weeks to come.

It's not that hard.
 

farnham

Banned
Well, it's a new Nintendo console released three weeks ago during holiday season. And there don't seem to be any shortages, unlike with the original Wii.

Plus it launched with a new NSMB and a MH game. And this week usually goes with hardware + software getting a sales boost.

So yeah, I can image people being surprised by the Wii U HW drop...

Well it also outsold psv and ps3 combined
 
Nice tries but it means low sales after holidays are inevitable.

No games until at least Feb (right now), 2D Mario (which only just came out on the 3DS), Nintendo Land and Monster Hunter not being the drives they thought (maybe), and a small amount of low selling 3rd party software.
 

wrowa

Member
Well, it's a new Nintendo console released three weeks ago during holiday season. And there don't seem to be any shortages, unlike with the original Wii.

Plus it launched with a new NSMB and a MH game. And this week usually goes with hardware + software getting a sales boost.

So yeah, I can image people being surprised by the Wii U HW drop...

Well, it launched with the 3rd release of MH3 and with the second NSMB in half a year when even the first one comparatively underperformed. The line-up is much weaker than it looks on first sight imo, especially because the software future is uncertain. Right now there's pretty much nothing announced yet.

Taking this into consideration and the console being quite a bit more expensive than the Wii at launch, I think it's easy to see why it's not selling as well.

Right now it's pretty solid, imo. I don't think it was reasonable to expect the Wii U to sell comparative to the Wii to begin with, though.
 

Bruno MB

Member
The biggest concern about Wii U launch figures is its abysmal software sales figures. All titles outside the big trio have bombed badly (sell-troughs for almost all of those titles are extremely shameful), on top of it even Monster Hunter 3G HD has failed to chart this week in the top 30, and it just needed to sell 17,000 units.
 

MrT-Tar

Member
Those 3DS sales surpassed even my high expectations. The marginally WiiU drop is nothing to be worried about, but sales next month probably will
 
Well, it launched with the 3rd release of MH3 and with the second NSMB in half a year when even the first one comparatively underperformed. The line-up is much weaker than it looks on first sight imo, especially because the software future is uncertain. Right now there's pretty much nothing announced yet.

Taking this into consideration and the console being quite a bit more expensive than the Wii at launch, I think it's easy to see why it's not selling as well.

Right now it's pretty solid, imo. I don't think it was reasonable to expect the Wii U to sell comparative to the Wii to begin with, though.


Not selling as well as what?

It OUTSOLD the Wii... Given there are shortages....
 

Thoraxes

Member
The fact is that it dropped during the week before Christmas, and that really isn't a good sign for the weeks to come.

It's not that hard.
I guess I should stop looking at it in comparison to the competition then.
There was an expectation sales would increase over the previous week because this is the biggest sales week of the year.

Of course it also depends on what your expectations are for a console in Japan in this day and age.
I usually play a bit more moderate in my estimations.
Read this thread and the previous one. Wii U consoles don't seem very hard to find...
I did, but I still don't see any actual shipment numbers proving this 100% the gospel. I'll gladly take my statements back if you can get them to me.
 

QaaQer

Member
Wii U will do fine in Japan no matter what. It's perfect for that consumer base: small, low power, cheap, and you don't need a tv.

so 100k per week sounds about right, approx 1.2 million consoles per year, 6 to 7.2 million lifetime. I'm sure nintendo will be fine with that.

Especially given the moribund economy of that country. 3rd recession in 5 years, GDP to debt ratio of 220% (for comparison, Greece is 170%), a disastrous lack of young people vs # of old people, no net immigration, and no political will to change any of these things.

The rest of the world is a big question mark, however.
 

Vazra

irresponsible vagina leak
People decided to buy cheaper consoles/Handhelds and probably waiting for more games to show up for the Wii U. Its doing fine looking at the numbers and lets remember Japan its more of a Handheld side than consoles for most of the part.
 

DrWong

Member
Nice tries but it means low sales after holidays are inevitable.

If we're not expecting Wii sales performances, low sales (lower than December) are inevitable, unless I'm missing something. By how much will it drop is the real question. Will ze Wii U be "Vitazified" in January?
 

gogogow

Member
Wii U will do fine in Japan no matter what. It's perfect for that consumer base: small, low power, cheap, and you don't need a tv.

so 100k per week sounds about right, approx 1.2 million consoles per year, 6 to 7.2 million lifetime. I'm sure nintendo will be fine with that.

Especially given the moribund economy of that country. 3rd recession in 5 years, GDP to debt ratio of 220% (for comparison, Greece is 170%), a disastrous lack of young people vs # of old people, no net immigration, and no political will to change any of these things.

The rest of the world is a big question mark, however.
How do they play MH3U?
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
well this just reinforces the theory about the WiiU being a slow burner, with the occasional spike jump when big games are released. Hopefully it will have reached a good amount of units sold by the end of its lifecycle but it's too early to declare anything expecially not knowing Japan's situation as a whole
 
Holiday boost vs post-launch decline = holding. The question is how much it was propped up I suppose.
Where's the story about no shortages?
There's been talk of shortages in the US, in the PAL territories and in Japan. So where exactly is Nintendo planning to ship 5.5M systems?

On a related note, given there's:
-Just a week to go of 2012; and if I'm to understand correctly sales can fall quite dramatically that week(?) - ergo the Wii U sell-through will be below 700K (cf Wii's 920-990K)
-European response has been tepid by most accounts.

Can Nintendo realistically meet its target of 5.5M Wii U's for the FY? (Given they'd presumably need to ship and sell the majority of that in the Holiday and Launch period.)
 

BowieZ

Banned
I still think Nintendo doesn't particularly mind what sales minutiae are experienced for Wii U over the next year or so.

They just sent it out into the wild with Mario and Monster Hunter in time for some decent Christmas sales, while they put all their might into 3DS, which has now successfully killed Vita (unless Sony goes into overdrive resuscitation mode, which they are unlikely to do), and is battling on against iOS/iPhone, its biggest competitor.

Meanwhile, Wii U has a good 12 months, possibly 18-24 months to build positive word of mouth before PS4 threatens it (and 720 in the West), at which time they will have the software line-up and advertising budget (and probable price cut, colors and bundles etc) ready to go, to stifle the PS4.

Nintendo is doomed with a 4K drop this week = embarrassingly short-sighted, or trolling.

Having said that, I may be wrong, and if a Wii U heavy Nintendo Direct is announced for this weekend, that could mean they are sweating bullets.
 

SgtCobra

Member
The 3DS is king and dominating everything combined wow.
And the Vita..yeah.. It's over I guess, Sony really screwed themselves by not having a better third/first party support but this is common sense.

time to engage panic mode Sony, ASAP
 
Dragon Quest X Wii U beta comes out in FEB correct? Well, at least there's that. Still, nothing releasing in January is worrying. Not even eshop games....
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Wii U will do fine in Japan no matter what. It's perfect for that consumer base: small, low power, cheap, and you don't need a tv.
You will most likely need a TV in the long run. Not every game supports on-controller play, and other games will use the TV/controller combo (some games in NintendoLand already does this for example).
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
If we're not expecting Wii sales performances, low sales (lower than December) are inevitable, unless I'm missing something. By how much will it drop is the real question. Will ze Wii U be "Vitazified" in January?

The story for Wii U sales at first quarter is written so clearly that I fail to understand how anyone even with zero experience in Japanese sales can't see it. We are looking at sub 50k numbers already from January, maybe even lower, with zero software releases soon that can slow down the continued hardware drop.
 

BowieZ

Banned
You will most likely need a TV in the long run. Not every game supports on-controller play, and other games will use the TV/controller combo (some games in NintendoLand already does this for example).
Would be cool if the eventual second GamePad could be used as the second off TV screen!
 

Thoraxes

Member
There's been talk of shortages in the US, in the PAL territories and in Japan. So where exactly is Nintendo planning to ship 5.5M systems?

On a related note, given there's:
-Just a week to go of 2012; and if I'm to understand correctly sales can fall quite dramatically that week(?) - ergo the Wii U sell-through will be below 700K (cf Wii's 920-990K)
-European response has been tepid by most accounts.

Can Nintendo realistically meet its target of 5.5M Wii U's for the FY?

I would see January with some major drops (the post-launch lull), followed by a period of small growth once a release schedule actually begins outside the launch window, so March on. Most companies tend to over-promise on sales estimates, and despite maintaining rather realistic forecasts in the past generation (because honestly who the hell expected that kind of popularity), Nintendo has not yet changed with the Wii U and 3DS (I would assume it's hard for anyone to guess accurate proliferation for anything that's brand new though) and misjudged the difference in marketplace.

I think they definitely over-estimated projections in EU and NA, but think they will probably be the most near their forecasts for Japan (once we see those reports at the end of FY).

It's a pretty fine line though, and lines up with a lot of opportune moments, while at the same time is going to go through the cycle every new console does.
 

QaaQer

Member
You will most likely need a TV in the long run. Not every game supports on-controller play, and other games will use the TV/controller combo (some games in NintendoLand already does this for example).

Of course you will need a tv for some games. But off tv play is still a great selling feature for densely packed urban dwellers. & I believe you can own and use the console without ever hooking it up to a tv, you just cant play every game.
 

Majmun

Member
Can Nintendo realistically meet its target of 5.5M Wii U's for the FY? (Given they'd presumably need to ship and sell the majority of that in the Holiday and Launch period.)

With Europe paying it dust? No way.
Unless there's a major pricedrop and Nintendo gets their WiiU marketing on different level.

I still think that NSMBU has the potential to sell a lot of WiiU consoles. But everything about the WiiU has been handled so poorly...
 

Sadist

Member
Everybody is expecting low sales for Wii U in January.

The real question is will it fall down to Vita levels of low?
 
Top Bottom