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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2012 (Dec 17 - Dec 23)

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omonimo

Banned
electroplankton said:
I'm not calling a disaster either. I just pointed out how Sony failed to expand the userbase this holiday season with PS3. Software-wise, PS3 is really ok per se.
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imho I have the big suspect sony was not interested to expand the ps3 userbase this Christmas, but just to have more revenues possible, because I can't believe is that stupid to think to increase its userbase leaving the same price, it's simply illogic.
 
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Spiegel

Member
electroplankton said:
I'm not calling a disaster either. I just pointed out how Sony failed to expand the userbase this holiday season with PS3. Software-wise, PS3 is really ok per se.
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Yeah, that was my point earlier in the thread. They are doing big promotions in Europe and a few in NA but nothing for Japan.
 
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Shion

Member
Laguna said:
Why do you mix some 2012 releases when talking about next year releases?
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saichi said:
And why are you listing 2012 titles for PSV when comparing to 3DS 2013 titles?
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Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
 
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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The situations really are not comparable.
 
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Laguna

Banned
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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Obviously a lot of people actually see a huge difference and that´s one of the reasons the 3DS outsold PSV 20:1 last week.
 
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Hero

Member
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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I like how you so easily dismiss two titles that will easily sell over a million units as not a big deal after various posters even showed how the other games like AA, SMT, etc are all going to outsell the best selling PSV game.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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DQVII, MH4, Ace Attorney 5, Layton 6, Shin Megami Tensei IV, Super Robot Taisen UX...these are all at least mid-high level titles. We could also count Yokai Watch, since it's the next multimedia Level 5 franchise. And there are some mid / mid-low titles in the next months ( Dragon Ball, Magi, KAIO, Starry Sky, Gyrozetter...). But it's true that the Q1 lineup isn't that full of titles, even if probably Luigi's Mansion will fill it (and this is why I fell a ND will be broadcasted in the next few days: release dates and at least one brand new announcement). And in the future we can expect more announcements for sure: the platform is just too dominant in Japan and third party titles sell very well overall, there is no reason to skip it.
 
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Laguna

Banned
Shion said:
I'm sure they did, Nintendo games are good system-sellers.
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Maybe you should take a closer look, Nintendo games aren´t the only games selling well. Here a comparison between 3rd party games last week (Famitsu Top 30). And in case you wonder 7 out of these 8 3DS games are exclusives, while on PSV only a PSP port charted. But obviously there is no difference in support...

07./02. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go 2: Chrono Stone - Neppuu / Raimei <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.12.13} (¥5.500) - 96.013 / 266.993 (-44%)
13./00. [3DS] Magician's Quest: Magical Town <ETC> (Konami) {2012.12.20} (¥4.980) - 40.145 / NEW
15./13. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040) - 38.586 / 330.977 (+56%)
16./19. [3DS] Kobito Zukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 31.406 / 196.860 (+116%)
20./10. [3DS] Toriko: Gourmet Monsters! <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.13} (¥5.800) - 28.318 / 62.748 (-18%)
21./18. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 27.718 / 334.482 (+72%)
25./22. [3DS] Aikatsu! Cinderella Lesson <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.15} (¥5.040) - 23.404 / 65.262 (+72%)
26./14. [3DS] Professor Layton Vs. Ace Attorney <ADV> (Level 5) {2012.11.29} (¥5.980) - 21.109 / 214.728 (-7%)


18./00. [PSV] AKB1/149: Love Election # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.20} (¥7.329) - 29.943 / NEW
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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Yes, third parties are mainly releasing ultra-niche titles on Vita. That's not true for 3DS. 2013 line-up has games like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, Super Robot Wars, Inazuma Eleven that are all above 250k units as sales potential, some of them are above 400k, and two of them are likely multi-million sellers. Didn't you see a big difference? Well, so far only two third parties games sold over 200k on Vita, and only 3 games sold over 100k units (two of them are those that cross the 200k mark, in fact).

Probably, the only big Japanese third party company that has nothing important for 3DS is Konami, and still with Magician's Quest will see a 100k seller.
 
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saichi

Member
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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When comparing to what VITA has in 2012, 3DS has way more "big projects" in 2012 in Japan.

What other "big project" are you expecting 3rd party to announce other than a main line FF and DQ titles? You keep insisting there is no big project announced but I simply do not see any other "big projects" can be announced.

Besides, when you compare Tales of Hearts R, Phantasy Star Online 2, Persona 4, God Eater 2 and Project Diva to Ace Attorney 5, Professor Layton 6, Shin Megami Tensei IV, Super Robot Wars UX on the same level, you lost all the credibility since it shows you have no idea what's popular in Japan.
 
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evangd007

Member
Shion said:
Because my original response was to a post suggesting that 3rd parties only release niche games on the Vita. And, I may be wrong, but, with the exception of 1-2 games, I don't see how the situation is SO different between the two.

So, while it's true that Japanese publishers seem to be hesitant when it comes to announcing big projects for the Vita, it's not as if they have been announcing many big projects for the 3DS either.
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They're niche to you because you are not from Japan. For example, SMT4 is as big as Persona 4. SMT just never became a cult hit in the West while Persona did.

Hell, Taiko no Tatsujin is a big series in Japan and I have no idea what the hell that even is.
 
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Dystify

Member
What I meant earlier is that it's of course nice for those two games to appear on 3DS next year, but there are seemingly a lot less releases compared to DS times. Not specifically talking about next year only; it's been like that for the past months already. I'm sure there will be some announcements for next year soon, it just feels like to me that it won't be as many as it used to be on DS, for obvious reasons.
 
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duckroll

Member
Strive said:
What I meant earlier is that it's of course nice for those two games to appear on 3DS next year, but there are seemingly a lot less releases compared to DS times. Not specifically talking about next year only; it's been like that for the past months already. I'm sure there will be some announcements for next year soon, it just feels like to me that it won't be as many as it used to be on DS, for obvious reasons.
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It isn't just a 3DS issue, but a Japan issue in general. There are far less interesting releases in the past few years compared to the years before that. As for sales, it also reflects that because when we look at big third party games in Japan, it has also fallen quite significantly from the PS2 era. There's only one million seller on the PS3 in its entire lifetime in Japan. I think that says a lot about the decline.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Strive said:
What I meant earlier is that it's of course nice for those two games to appear on 3DS next year, but there are seemingly a lot less releases compared to DS times. Not specifically talking about next year only; it's been like that for the past months already. I'm sure there will be some announcements for next year soon, it just feels like to me that it won't be as many as it used to be on DS, for obvious reasons.
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I don't have data now (maybe someone can help me) but to me it seems that 3DS is selling better third parties software with respect to the first two year of DS.
 
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Laguna

Banned
This years DQM is a remake of the first game so it wouldn´t surprise me if a new DQMonsters installment will be announced after DQVII with a possible 1Q2014 release. Also a DQVIII port is a possibility in future.
 
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Cosmo Clock 21

Banned
duckroll said:
It isn't just a 3DS issue, but a Japan issue in general. There are far less interesting releases in the past few years compared to the years before that. As for sales, it also reflects that because when we look at big third party games in Japan, it has also fallen quite significantly from the PS2 era. There's only one million seller on the PS3 in its entire lifetime in Japan. I think that says a lot about the decline.
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It's a symptom of higher development budgets, time, and manpower for progressively more powerful systems, I think. One I the reasons why I wish Japan would take up digital downloads quicker.
 
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Hero of Legend

Member
Laguna said:
This years DQM is a remake of the first game so it wouldn´t surprise me if a new DQMonsters installment will be announced after DQVII with a possible 1Q2014 release. Also a DQVIII port is a possibility in future.
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DQ8 wouldn't make much sense on the 3DS as it's a PS2 game, it'd be a port or completely rebuilt wit potentially weaker polys and textures, maybe more like DQ7r.

Wii U makes far more sense for a remake. They could try a DQ9 remake near the end of the 3DS' lifespan to space it out more from the DS original? Or, actually attempt the first 3? Get Spike Chunsoft on them.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Hero of Legend said:
DQ8 wouldn't make much sense on the 3DS as it's a PS2 game, it'd be a port or completely rebuilt wit potentially weaker polys and textures, maybe more like DQ7r.

Wii U makes far more sense for a remake. They could try a DQ9 remake near the end of the 3DS' lifespan to space it out more from the DS original? Or, actually attempt the first 3? Get Spike Chunsoft on them.
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I think it all depends which platform will get the next main entry.
 
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Laguna

Banned
Hero of Legend said:
DQ8 wouldn't make much sense on the 3DS as it's a PS2 game, it'd be a port or completely rebuilt wit potentially weaker polys and textures, maybe more like DQ7r.

Wii U makes far more sense for a remake. They could try a DQ9 remake near the end of the 3DS' lifespan to space it out more from the DS original? Or, actually attempt the first 3? Get Spike Chunsoft on them.
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Actually it would make them a lot of money ;) A port for WiiU is a possibility (to bring the DQ fanbase over for DQ10) but a 3DS one might be more lucrative and obviously worth the effort. There is also the PS2 DQ5 remake to take into consideration which was developed by the same studio that is developing DQVII right now.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
They can save Dragon Quest VIII for the successor of 3DS, after Dragon Quest VII they should remake Dragon Quest III.

Regarding Dragon Quest XI we all know it is going to be on 3DS.

Of course, after Dragon Quest XI its successor could either go to Wii U or PS4 and then Dragon Quest VIII remake would make sense.
 
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herod

Member
SmokyDave said:
It has two sticks, for one. Supposedly easy porting from PS3. The chance to be a big fish in a small pond. Because you can't bear to optimise your beautiful art for a 240p screen.
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Might be easy to move the code over. Making it run smoothly at a decent resolution seems to be completely impossible however.
 
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jrDev

Member
the androgyne said:
You're right. The 3DS has 20x PSV hardware this week (and 10x any other) but it definitely doesn't have 10x or 20x the amount of support Vita has going into 2013. Disregarding the fact that certain 3DS games will obviously sell better than anything Vita has, the actual amount of upcoming releases is fairly even.
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No...link?
 
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Celine

Member
Bruno MB said:
They can save Dragon Quest VIII for the successor of 3DS, after Dragon Quest VII they should remake Dragon Quest III.
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Father_Brain

Banned
the androgyne said:
Nintendo can release their big hitters early, make a good ground for 3rd parties to jump in early as well, and build the install base very quickly. Sony can't so they just have to slow burn a solid catalog. The exact same reason is why the PSP is still around now and they tout the 10 year thing for PS3.
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A slow burn strategy would only work if third parties had made large investments in Vita development before the platform had even launched, as in the case of PS3 or, to a much lesser extent, PSP. Instead, you have a situation where three of the biggest Japanese third parties (Konami, Capcom, and SE) haven't announced any Vita support in over a year, the sole known future title from any of those publishers is a multiplatform PS2 port and vaporware at that (FFX HD), and one of those three (Konami) appears to have actively reneged on its previously pledged Vita support (ZOE HD, versions of Fox Engine titles).

As I noted earlier in this thread, the only two major third parties that have been continuously announcing new Vita titles in recent months are Tecmo Koei and Namco Bandai, and the only announced exclusive from either (IIRC) is Tales of Hearts R. PS3 and PSP really aren't comparable at all.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Father_Brain said:
A slow burn strategy would only work if third parties had made large investments in Vita development before the platform had even launched, as in the case of PS3 or, to a much lesser extent, PSP. Instead, you have a situation where three of the biggest Japanese third parties (Konami, Capcom, and SE) haven't announced any Vita support in over a year, the sole announced future title from any of those publishers is a multiplatform PS2 port and vaporware at that (FFX HD), and one of those three (Konami) appears to have actively reneged on its previously announced Vita support (ZOE HD, seemingly Fox Engine titles).

As I noted earlier in this thread, the only two major third parties that have been continuously announcing new Vita titles in recent months are Tecmo Koei and Namco Bandai, and the only announced exclusive from either (IIRC) is Tales of Hearts R. PS3 and PSP really aren't comparable at all.
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Which is not even a brand-new game.
 
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AniHawk

Member
electroplankton said:
They're running out of titles to remake, by the way...
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x's getting a remake right off the bat, but they can do vii, viii, and ix this generation pretty easily for the 3ds. of course, i would prefer viii for a console but what are ya gonna do.

then they can start over again and do remakes with voice acting and cel-shaded graphics.
 
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JoshuaJSlone

Member
StreetsAhead said:
What is more concerning, frankly, is their 25m non-bundled software prediction given the current sales although that number is supposed to include any and all(paid) downloads.
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I still say the software one is easier. It represents a lower shipment tie ratio than Wii's first months, in a situation where fewer consoles have a pack-in.
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gconsole said:
WiiU software sale number remind me of GC. Even Super amario Bros doesnt help.
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NSMBU will shortly surpass the lifetime numbers of the GameCube launch games.
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AdventureRacing said:
This is pretty much what i'm getting at. I think if sony hadn't completely fucked up and if nintendo hadn't basically left the wii for dead we would have saw this generation easily eclipse the last one.
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In total it's really not all that different. Take away half of PS2 and give most of it to GameCube and a little to Xbox, and it looks a lot like this most recent gen.
AzaK said:
Does anyone have any idea why it's bombing in EU?
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Looking broadly, Europe has historically been Nintendo's weakest territory. So it doesn't surprise me much that without a Wii-like phenomenon that region could be more trouble again. Wii outsold all their previous consoles combined there.
electroplankton said:
I don't have data now (maybe someone can help me) but to me it seems that 3DS is selling better third parties software with respect to the first two year of DS.
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This doesn't get to other interesting stuff like number of titles, averages, how many reached 300K, what the userbase sizes were, etc., but
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Man God said:
People are acting like the 3DS doesn't already have PS2 ports on it, cute.
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Whether 3DS can handle a PS2 port isn't the issue, but that they tend to have more than a port to a machine of similar capabilities when making their first big rerelease of a Dragon Quest. I wouldn't be too surprised to see it come to Wii U. If they've decided it's fine to split the mainline games up among portable/home machines, I don't see why the mainline remakes can't too. Though I was also one of those on the boat expecting VII to hit Wii as warmup to X.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
DNF said:
am i understanding ths graph wrong or did you include firstparty ?
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Effectively, the number I have right now fot total 3DS software sales ( first + third party) is 21.127.884
 
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Gianni Merryman

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Man God

Non-Canon Member
I'm expecting DQ VIII 3DS with much improved load times and maybe an extra dungeon or immigrant town or something in the next two years or so.

I don't care if it looks any better, hard to improve on how it looks already.
 
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31 Flavas

Banned
GCX said:
[race to 2M graph / ACNL pwnage.gif]
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I almost feel bad for the other games how AC just comes out of nowhere and spoils the race that's been going on for the past year.
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These people are to be referred to as casual assholes. Not because of something they've done like teabagged you in Wii Sports or because they smack talked you over WiiSpeak in Animal Crossing. But, they're assholes just because they play those games that murder traditional game sales.

Who do they think they are. Gamers and the GAF hivemind are not to be trifled with. Double standards exist for a reason.
 
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ShellyDeKiller

Member
31 Flavas said:
These people are to be referred to as casual assholes. Not because of something they've done like teabagged you in Wii Sports or because they smack talked you over WiiSpeak in Animal Crossing. But, they're assholes just because they play those games that murder traditional game sales.

Who do they think they are. Gamers and the GAF hivemind are not to be trifled with. Double standards exist for a reason.
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Uncalled for.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
31 Flavas said:
These people are to be referred to as casual assholes. Not because of something they've done like teabagged you in Wii Sports or because they smack talked you over WiiSpeak in Animal Crossing. But, they're assholes just because they play those games that murder traditional game sales.

Who do they think they are. Gamers and the GAF hivemind are not to be trifled with. Double standards exist for a reason.
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