They will take us seriously when I and millions of others don't buy the SC2 and Diablo 3 expansions.
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Rob Pardo is sad about the community reaction [Jays departure from Diablo III]
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They will take us seriously when I and millions of others don't buy the SC2 and Diablo 3 expansions.
Midnight Bliss
Member
Skill and Stat progression is -very- important to me and many others I imagine.
You can tell how I show my love for this here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46310295&postcount=64
And correct me if I'm wrong because I admit I am rather ignorant on the subject so I apologize in advance if I am in the wrong but. From what I've heard, Diablo 3 was a testing the waters experiment for cash shops in games. Even though they've been done before, this was blizzards attempt at it.
As well I've heard the "loot" system isn't up to par. Statements that stay in my mind are the ones like "the loot doesn't trigger a dopamine effect", which I imagine was more common-place in previous entries to the series. Could these loot junkies have a point?
Another thing to consider was, weren't they working on a pvp system for 3 years and then scrapped it when they felt it wouldn't work and then shoehorned in something real quickly in less than a year? If so, I'm sure that went down well.
Almost forgot the always online thing. I do not need to explain why that is bad. This shouldn't even be on here, it should have never existed as an option to begin with.
Also, I don't need to add that offensive quote from a social networking site, everyone knows what was said, pretty sure everyone's tired of it. And I know I'm tired of being let down by companies I used to trust. :[
You can tell how I show my love for this here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46310295&postcount=64
And correct me if I'm wrong because I admit I am rather ignorant on the subject so I apologize in advance if I am in the wrong but. From what I've heard, Diablo 3 was a testing the waters experiment for cash shops in games. Even though they've been done before, this was blizzards attempt at it.
As well I've heard the "loot" system isn't up to par. Statements that stay in my mind are the ones like "the loot doesn't trigger a dopamine effect", which I imagine was more common-place in previous entries to the series. Could these loot junkies have a point?
Another thing to consider was, weren't they working on a pvp system for 3 years and then scrapped it when they felt it wouldn't work and then shoehorned in something real quickly in less than a year? If so, I'm sure that went down well.
Almost forgot the always online thing. I do not need to explain why that is bad. This shouldn't even be on here, it should have never existed as an option to begin with.
Also, I don't need to add that offensive quote from a social networking site, everyone knows what was said, pretty sure everyone's tired of it. And I know I'm tired of being let down by companies I used to trust. :[
The RMAH exists because the market for trading cash for in-game items exists, even if Blizzard does not regulate it. They made a call that it was better to have it available than not, in order to both protect players (in this era of rampant credit card/account fraud) and regulate it in order to profit from it. They weren't really wrong. It's similar to how prohibition (and parts of the "war on drugs") backfire spectacularly.
The problem was not having the RMAH- it was that instead of it being incorporated as a piece of the project, started to warp much of the design around it- things like the regular AH, the lack of an offline mode, and the lack of an incentive for players to do anything but essentially be gold farmers.
The problem was not having the RMAH- it was that instead of it being incorporated as a piece of the project, started to warp much of the design around it- things like the regular AH, the lack of an offline mode, and the lack of an incentive for players to do anything but essentially be gold farmers.
Forsaken82
Member
The Itemization was fine UNTIL Inferno difficulty in my opinion. I had absolutely no issues with the game until I hit inferno but maybe that is just me.
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Deleted member 17706
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No, it was never fine, because it was fucking boring.
All that ever mattered was Weapon DPS > Primary Stat > Life on Hit > All Resists > Vitality.
Everyone, of every class, was looking for the same shit. It was all about just getting bigger numbers on the small amount of stats that mattered for your class.
There was nothing interesting--no room for crazy experimental builds. Just more DPS.
Except that gamers demand perfection.
Most people know what they like due to games being made that they played and formed their tastes. Most people that have never developed games could not make a game they themselves would actually enjoy.
Well, come on now. It's not as if they don't have a fantastic track record.
VGChampion
Member
SatelliteOfLove
Member
The bad seeds know they rule the roost now. Good/interesting people keep their heads down and don't engage much at all outside their circles. Few reasons to, many reminders to "why bother".
Activision head honchos are less taskmasters and more a bad influence. Hubris and "returns on investment" vs brilliance and elegance having people throw money at them.
Anyone who played WoW thru the last 5 years saw this coming. Shackled character building cant run fast.
cRIPtion said:
And how did they get this way? Their behavior is reinforced by promises and lax standards of behavior (which is only brought up by the powers that be only to trojan horse in backfiring asocial networking hijinx); it's no surprise the inmates run the asylums, no?
hypostasis
Banned
I disagree. Look at the results of Bioware's receptivity to their hypersexual fan base in the form of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3. I wanted to fuck bisexual party members day and night, now I can; I wanted to get my skinny mini wet in some eelesque blue pussy, now I can. What marvels result from taking heed of the Gamer Community rather than using objective, means-tested criteria to design games. Would such escapades be possible if Bioware utilized the latter rather than the former? Methinks not. I rest my case.
spindoctor
Member
Have you forgotten the L4D2 boycott drama that happened a few years ago? That was one that managed to find it's way outside the SPUF. I remember there were many other such stupid things that remained on SPUF for the most part (the Halo hat from TF2 comes to mind).
I remember reading about that. It was pretty disgusting too. I still think it only reinforces my point though... there's only a certain amount of feedback (positive and negative) that is to be had from an online community. Beyond that it's pointless. When people go fucking crazy like they did with Diablo, they should just be ignored.
The game will still sell millions. It will still be among the highest selling PC games of whatever year it releases in. It will still entertain people. Here's the pertinent question though... will not buying it stop you from complaining about it?
hypostasis
Banned
Based on the amount of death threats leveled against certain Blizzard employees as a result of their latest work, it is conceivable such developers would die if they had fans like D2 or SC have!
Castor Krieg
Banned
AH destroyed the most important part of Diablo i.e. loot gathering. Nobody was farming for items, but for gold to go to AH and buy weapon 10x better than everything you could find.
It is mind-blowing how much fail this game had design-wise. I would love to learn if RMAH and the whole system was something that came from Activision or Blizzard.
It is mind-blowing how much fail this game had design-wise. I would love to learn if RMAH and the whole system was something that came from Activision or Blizzard.
If Jay Wilson would have kept some of his feelings to himself and not melt down on fans, the community, and developers of Diablo 1 and 2, he wouldnt have got the same treatment in return. He treated others like garbage and now it is coming back around. Personally I dont hate him as much as some, but understand why some do hate him. The game has come a long way since release and is improving with almost every patch. I cant complain too much, while the game was a disappointment at release I made my money back in the AH and enough to pay for all of the games I bought this year.
Sanctuary
Member
So basically they are going to scrap at least 50% of what's there and rebuild it? Sounds legit.
It wasn't just the AH by itself that was the problem, unless you think that the AH is the sole reason the loot itself was the most boring ever seen in an action/RPG grindfest like this. The leveling and skill progression was pretty terrible too, although it still wasn't as bad as the loot--which was the main reason to play.
I'm so sorry. Not sure how old you are, but you missed out pretty big not having played the first two prior to it.
oconnomiyaki
Member
My only issue with Diablo III was they offered it to WoW players as a reason to sub for a year and then released a game that wouldn't necessarily run on rigs that could run WoW. Just seemed totally disingenuous.
Sanctuary
Member
What on Earth are you talking about? Diablo III's minimum specs were LOW just like most Blizzard games. Unless you were playing on a laptop from 2002, I have no idea how you couldn't run the game.
oconnomiyaki
Member
You can run WoW on some pretty low-end machines. For ages I was playing it on a 2008 MacBook (not pro) with 2GB of RAM.
Currently, I'm rocking a Vaio S with an i5, 8GB of RAM, and a 6470M and I can't get anything worth bothering with out of Diablo III.
Although, weirdly, at launch I had a nice experience. 30FPS on medium. A couple of patches later and I was getting 10FPS on lowest settings... and just gave up.
Whats the FUCK YOU LOSER thing?
I havent been following D3 too much since launch cause it sucks so Im out of the loop.
Yeah Diablo 3 is a huge dissapointment riddled with horrible decisions but people saying Torchlight 2 is better are mad cray.
I havent been following D3 too much since launch cause it sucks so Im out of the loop.
Yeah Diablo 3 is a huge dissapointment riddled with horrible decisions but people saying Torchlight 2 is better are mad cray.
eot
Banned
The whole fact is that Jay didn't need to make a post about "leaving" the Diablo III team, he could've walked away from it quietly like many of the developers/designers when their product fails (or suffers backlash from loyal fans)
To make a public post is like saying, "Look I'm off the project now, find someone else to blame for the misdesigns".
Unfortunately, no matter who takes over, they're still building off this damn base game that can't get off the train of max-ing DPS.
Any additional content is purely story to play for me, I can't see myself spending more time getting another character to 60 or whatever their next level for expansion is.
To make a public post is like saying, "Look I'm off the project now, find someone else to blame for the misdesigns".
Unfortunately, no matter who takes over, they're still building off this damn base game that can't get off the train of max-ing DPS.
Any additional content is purely story to play for me, I can't see myself spending more time getting another character to 60 or whatever their next level for expansion is.
Do people aside from the hack'n'slash addicts even play D3 anymore? I played it for about 2 weeks after launch and completely lost interest. I couldn't imagine having any drive to play it 6+ months out. It'd be interesting to see the numbers. Lack of PVP, lack of replayability and the AH ruined it for me.
Doubt I'll buy an expansion.. Maybe down the road, heavily discounted.
Worst day one purchase I've ever made.
Doubt I'll buy an expansion.. Maybe down the road, heavily discounted.
Worst day one purchase I've ever made.
Oh god, it's "Fuckthatlosergate" again. Along with the whole circus of ridiculous complaints.
There was one problem with D3. The itemization formulas had to account for a giant shared pool of loot. Which made the really cool drops, really really rare. It still wasn't that much worse than the situation with item trading in D2. With everything else I fail to see where the complaints are coming from. The writing is bad? Really? As opposed to the good writing of the previous games?
Did I play less D3 than D2? Sure. I will go so far as saying it's not as good a game. It's still the best ARPG since D2:LOD.
There was one problem with D3. The itemization formulas had to account for a giant shared pool of loot. Which made the really cool drops, really really rare. It still wasn't that much worse than the situation with item trading in D2. With everything else I fail to see where the complaints are coming from. The writing is bad? Really? As opposed to the good writing of the previous games?
Did I play less D3 than D2? Sure. I will go so far as saying it's not as good a game. It's still the best ARPG since D2:LOD.
Oh snap.
Fuck Jay Wilson indeed.
Can't really say anything about D3, only that, despite being a huge fan of Diablo II, I refuse to buy a game that I have to stay online to even play (The same goes to SimCity), so I can't deny that I'm enjoying a lot the fire the game and the team has been under these last months. Even though I have a good internet connection, I refuse to support this kind of bullshit.
Then call me mad, but Torchlight 2 is better than Diablo 3 on many key aspects of the genre, and the fact that they were able to deliver this kind of experience in only two years with a small team of only 20 people doesn't help D3's case and the time and resources put into it a single bit.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Ok after farming from Friday to today I got nothing but crap loot. My Templar is loaded with MF, monster level 2 for speed, and paragon level 30 +. I got a ton of yellows but nothing worth putting on the ah really. The Legendaries (Gladiator gauntlets, and 2 bad weapons) were sold to the NPC because I didn't even want to give them the satisfaction of being turned into brimstone (I imagine stones are dirt cheap now anyway).
I wanted the farming to be worthwhile by now but the most I got out of doing this was I got to watch some movies I was putting off watching for some reason. How are people still playing this, why? And how are people getting so lucky with these 100mil items, heck 50mil or whatever items.
Edit: I should start back playing Torchlight 2. I stopped because joining friends was a bit buggy near release. I tried to sync my levels with my friends so we could go through it.
I wanted the farming to be worthwhile by now but the most I got out of doing this was I got to watch some movies I was putting off watching for some reason. How are people still playing this, why? And how are people getting so lucky with these 100mil items, heck 50mil or whatever items.
Edit: I should start back playing Torchlight 2. I stopped because joining friends was a bit buggy near release. I tried to sync my levels with my friends so we could go through it.
Well pretty much people wanted Diablo 2 on 3D in a new engine, Blizzard made a brand new game with new mechanics, but fans hated it.
That is exactly the problem with it. It wasn't a badly made game. It was just very uninspired and paint by numbers in most regards. The storyline was bad (it got more and more absurd and unnecessarily verbose as it went). The artwork was drab. The mechanics tried nothing really new.
People expected more from Blizzard especially after so many years. Torchlight 2 came out amd essentially matched it in feature sets with better art and character design, better multiplayer and more flexibility and it was made by a tiny team and cost 1/3rd the price.
Uh.. That characterization is absurd.
Duxxy3
Member
I could see the D3 expansion flopping (relatively speaking). I don't see the SC2 expansion doing the same though.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Relatively, yeah, but not enough to matter. Not anything near a flop. Fans, bitching or not, will continue to buy Blizzard games and attempt to beg them to fix their shit. We want LAN. Please give it to us? We'll buy Heart of the Swarm. Please? And could you maybe add PVP to D3 and make the AH optional?
We could argue about how good the story is compared to the other games if you want, but they were actually trying to make a good story this time. It's apparent in how they shove it in your face when you play the game again in higher difficulties. I thought D2's story was decent anyway, though it was more just a reason to go to the next area and kill some shit, which is fine by me. It didn't get in the way.
scytheavatar
Member
Whether or not D3 sucks is debatable. What that is not debatable is the fact that Jay Wilson and the guys at Blizzard South was extremely disrespectful to someone who praised D3 and was just pointing out how he would have improved that game. Read the interview again:
Did David Brevik say anything that justified the "fuck that loser" response?
Yes. Liking the best game since the apex of genre is certainly indicative of lowered expectations. What?
Well, I can't say I blame Pardo for making a post like that. He's trying to protect his friend and employee, and trying to stamp out fires. He doesn't want Jay Wilson's reputation following him to his new post, especially if he's going to be visible. I don't think he can shake that rep now, but I can't blame Pardo for trying to spread the blame a bit.