I simply like the "herp derp" picture of that unfinished or unpolished trailer XD.
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VGleaks: Orbis Unveiled! [Updated]
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I simply like the "herp derp" picture of that unfinished or unpolished trailer XD.
Microsoft will be targeting 299$ with Kinect for Durango, we've known that ever since the powerpoint leak. Why is everybody forgetting about that one? So far the leaks have mostly confirmed what was already in that pdf.
Waldo Lydecker
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Durango = Johan Strauss Jr.
Orbis = Richard Strauss
WiiU = Andrew Lloyd Webber
Am I doing it right, GAF?
Orbis = Richard Strauss
WiiU = Andrew Lloyd Webber
Am I doing it right, GAF?
Clay Davis
Member
I wonder if the 4 compute units are on the main GPU, or if they're on an APU chip like was rumored wayy back when, with a separate discreet GPU. Maybe with a hybrid crossfire-like arrangement if a developer wants both for rendering. That would explain the smaller performance boost from adding them, the APU GPU could be clocked lower.
Glorified G
Member
I would love for a dev comment on this.
At this point, none of these specs really mean anything until we see what is actually running on the system. We can compare it to PCs all we want but like how this nearly 8 year old generation keeps popping out amazing looking games, we won't know what its actually capable of until someone shows off in game footage.
toddhunter
Member
It all looks promising. Hopefully price or something like a forced subscription doesn't bring it all down.
No, it's still an improvement upon Durango remored specs.
Not really, difference will be small, and tessellation make this number less relevant than before.
go back few pages and read Shifty Gazer quoted comment.
Spill it.
Can anyone inform me the function of Zlib Decompression hardware in layman terms, please? Thank you.
Did you really:
Did you really:
Glorified G
Member
I did. Had no idea he was a dev. thanks.
No. Another poster... Stew? Confirmed that the TFLOP number is well over a year old and has been Sony's goal for quite a while. Do you blame news organizations or viewers for being inaccurate? There are no insiders posting information on this board, just a few winks here and there. It's not the fact people are wrong but the illusion of being an insider that should be concerning. They aren't egregiously wrong as of late -- but each piece of info has less value as time passes.
Kun Aguero
Member
Thanks, that sounds really good. If they can improve on the performance of the 7870 then games should look fantastic.
What? Do it.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
How would this be reflected in what a gamer sees in a product?
Not just polygons, right? Vertex drawing is reflected in shaders/textures and the like? Or am I wrong here?
I don't believe it. Too much off-the-shelf for SONY.
These specs can do the Agni's Philosophy demo, with very little to no compromises.
Yet i find it hard to believe that nothing else than a global GDDR RAM is the wtf! element.
And while this
These specs can do the Agni's Philosophy demo, with very little to no compromises.
Yet i find it hard to believe that nothing else than a global GDDR RAM is the wtf! element.
And while this
is the most important spec. Something is missing...
Please please please please...
We are talking about a single digit percentage increase. nothing to fap over. Number is almost negligble.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Nah, just curious from a tech standpoint.
We need a Cisco HW thread so I can come in and be useful for once.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So, basically, we have a situation where Sony learned nothing from the $599 fiasco? Or are the materials in this enough for them to avoid being outrageously overpriced compared to the Microsoft console?
That's the only thing concerning me right now. I mean, if MS puts out their system at a target price of $299 like in the PowerPoint leaked, Sony could be in real trouble here :/
~2-5% presumably.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I seem to remember reading it was wizard jizz...
XtremeXpider
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Nope GTX680 vs 7850
Graphics Horse
Member
It means bald space marines could have curvier scalps.
nelsonroyale
Member
Wasnt this because an early devkit of durango had 680 or something..?
I lol
Lol no. Orbis specs are looking quite affordable actually. Nothing particularly exotic here at all. The 4gb GDDR5 is the juiciest price of this pie compared to what else is on the market.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
THIS. It seems like Orbis will still have still have GPU advantage, but even more so it will have a much larger compute advantage. This is before you account for the fact Durango may be reserving 2 cores of the CPU for the OS.
This is a GOOD thing because some of those 18 CU's would of been used for GPGPU tasks anyways, but now they'll more efficient at doing so and programmers will be able to get a lot more out of them. Another wards, if used properly, this makes PS4 a lot more powerful overall then if they had just just all the 18 CU's together in the rendering pipeline. I would also think if for some reason devs wants to use them for rendering they could and should get the same level of performance out them as the other CU. It just would be a lot more work to equal performance out of them cause it would have to be done manually. Like someone said before, it seems like the engineers are drawing a path for the devs, and saying heres how this system will perform the best.
Something I'd like to add that I thought was quite funny the more I thought about it...
What I find hilarious, is the fact Sony cant RESIST going exotic somehow with their architecture is their systems. Even when it sounded like they couldn't have gone any more simple than this(unified memory, high bandwidth gddr5, x86, ect) they find a way to make it complex that programmers will still have to work to get the most out of the system. I could still see some multiplatform devs not taking full advantage of this set up, just like they did in the past with the SPU's on PS3.
I swear Sony is like the alcoholic beer drinker, whos trying to quit, and may quit for a few months at time, but when they walk past that bar they cant resist and need that beer cause its in their DNA. It's in Sony's DNA to design exotic hardware.
(im sure theres a better analogy to come up with, but you get the idea)
Triangle set up is at the very top of the pipeline. Shading etc. happens further down the pipe, the responsibility of compute units in AMD/GCN parlance.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Then why are people in this thread saying $450-$500?
Zlib is a form of compression that can be used to keep assets smaller on disk or in memory. Hardware decompression is fast.
When you put these two together it means you can read someone from hard drive and store it in memory in compressed form, then when you need it can use hardware to quickly decompress it.
Durango has something similar IIRC.
TheGuardian
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Well, on that quote he is comparing the specs of the Orbis dev kits with the specs someone told him about for the Durango. So you should really not ready anything into it. ( No first hand knowledge and early dev kit specs )
So it is most definitely exists to function during streaming assets during gameplay.
SneakyStephan
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If I see another bald ANYTHING i'm going to throw my controller out of the window and go back to playing with a hoop and stick.
If there is one thing devs need to do next gen to un-uncanny and un-generic the looks of their games it is to have proper hair on characters.
The agni hair demo shows there is tech to do hair that looks good and not uncanny.
http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/01/luminous-studio-new-tech-demos-get-all-hairy/
Just look at the first video, when they split between the 'unreal engine style' UNHAIR and their own thing , it becomes instantly impossible to deal with the shitty version.
Fascinating video in it's own right, because the char models crawl out of the uncanny valley it becomes really jarring to see them manipulated with all the effects.
Baconsammy
Banned
It's best to remember that these threads are full of nothing but wishful thinking until Sony and Microsoft actually say anything official.
XtremeXpider
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That's what I'm trying to explain, maybe things have changed.
Not sure, but it very well could be. I just meant compared to what it could have been, and compared to the PS3.
Dead Prince
Banned
Nothing wrong with that price. I make that in half a day.
Graphics Horse
Member
Is GDDR5 actually "confirmed"? Even these specs don't list the RAM type. I trust the bandwidth but I thought there was a possibility of stacked DDR3 providing the same?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't see that as "wishful thinking" at all, though. That would be a horrendous price to launch at. We'd have another PS3 launch.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm curious where the difference comes from. Usually these triangle setup numbers are simple to calculate and don't involve any efficiency comparisons.
8 jaguar cores (tablet level CPU cores) vs High end intel CPU
7850 vs GTX680
Closed box efficiencies simply won't make up for these discrepancies.
Orbis would likely run a version that is cut back from 60fps to 30fps and 8xMSAA to 2xMSAA.
Throw some money our way if your so ballin'.
TheGuardian
Member
You could have tri SLI 680 levels of triangle setup, but if you don't have enough computation to actually get the vertices and pixels through the whole pipeline, it doesn't do you any good.