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Sony Q3: Game Operating Income $53M (PS3/PS2 15.6M in 2012)
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What about the regions outside those 3? We have no data and just pure guesswork but it is safe to assume that the PS3 does dominate the rest of Asia compared to 360.
Dreamgazer
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Baconsammy
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Yeah. Whoops. As for being on the road to recovery, yes. Games division not so much. Movie studio had a superb third quarter, which carried the company.
Said the kettle black.
You honestly think they're going to let the Vita limp along until the PS4 is released and then with a feature to stream PS4 games to it if it ever happens the sales is just going to jump up? The price of the PS4 is probably going to be $400 and more after buying games and accessories there's little hope that people will drop another $200 for a Vita. I just can't see a spike in Vita sales once the PS4 is released.
lol Starfall haha
That is accurate. They posted operating profit but the net number you see is because of an inventory adjustment in lieu to tax deferred assets
Raonak
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not that hard to do, since IIRC sony hasn't made money in years.
Worst idea ever. They should keep that clusterfuck as far away from the PS4 as possible.
grimshawish
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Its odd how Activision squandered the Bond rights with no Skyfall game. Could have been good too.
Sony games at this point can't do much until PS4. No PSP replacemeny will likely be felt for a while though.
If they can somehow get remote play to work on PS4 > Vita (Gaikai perhaps?) then it will be quite cool.
Oh good good. I'm guessing their are more Daniel Craig Bond movies coming? I wonder how Hotel Transylvania did..
Also with Gaming down its still one of the more profitable divisions right?
toddhunter
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Yes why not?
I didn't say it would work, but I think it is very likely Sony will at least try it. Is that scenario more far fetched then them throwing up their hands and trying nothing?
Remote Play isn't what he had in mind when he said keep the Vita away from PS4.
michaelius
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They could just port PSP games to it ;p
What would be the point of this? Except dumping money of course. Remote play is a completely uninteresting feature for most people. It only makes things more complicated and ads costs.
Baconsammy
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It's a bad idea, but the alternative is worse. I know all the Sony fans are hyping Kaz, but he's now clusterfucked the PSN fiasco and the Vita. I'm hoping there's a larger plan in place and he's not just sitting back waiting for something magical to happen to get people to buy his handheld. People keep saying price drop, but there was a pretty good amount of price drops during the holidays and it didn't seem to do much to help it. AC and CoD did very little either. They literally don't possess a system seller. Throw one free in every PS4 box. Or better yet, take all of the unsold Vitas, rip off their Dpads, and put those on whatever new PS4 controller they're making. Get something from the Vita.
Colonel Nasty
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I guess I never paid attention to it but considering where these to companys stand, about to launch the next generations consoles, from where they were when the Xbox launched only 11 years ago is pretty fucking crazy. If I went back in time and posted this in Nov. 2001 I would be banned immediately.
I think PS3 was on track to outsell Xbox 360 in Australia some time around the middle of last year, but nobody knows for sure because the sales tracking groups don't like releasing any info.
But I'm pretty confident given anecdotal evidence that it did occur and PS3 is doing quite well here.
bigtroyjon
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Instead of thinking you could read the earnings release we are discussing in this thread.
Like just about every other quarter for the past 5 years, Sony was carried by the Financial Services division.
AranhaHunter
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Someone correct if my math is wrong here, but taking into consideration the exchange rate sony used (80 yen to the dollar for 4-12 2012 and 81.2 yen to the dollar for the quarter), the big loser continues to be one of Kaz' pillars, mobile:
Mobile Product & Communication (04/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥72.6B (-$907.5M)
Mobile Product & Communication (09/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥21.3B (-$262.32M)
That is worse than last year when, still in the JV, it did -536M Euros
Considering the buzz around the xperia lineup lately, I'm a little surprised.
By comparison, the one that everyone thinks is a huge loser and tracks them down:
Home and Entertainment (04/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥33.8B (-$422.5M)
Home and Entertainment (09/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥8.0B (-$98.5M)
While still bad, that's a huge improvement from the last FY where the tv segment did -$2.803B
Mobile Product & Communication (04/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥72.6B (-$907.5M)
Mobile Product & Communication (09/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥21.3B (-$262.32M)
That is worse than last year when, still in the JV, it did -536M Euros
Considering the buzz around the xperia lineup lately, I'm a little surprised.
By comparison, the one that everyone thinks is a huge loser and tracks them down:
Home and Entertainment (04/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥33.8B (-$422.5M)
Home and Entertainment (09/2012 - 12/2012) = -¥8.0B (-$98.5M)
While still bad, that's a huge improvement from the last FY where the tv segment did -$2.803B
It's weird that Vita fans have so much faith in Hirai when he seemingly has no faith in the Vita.
If it works over the internet, then you can play your PS4 games on the Vita even if you're away from home. Who wouldn't want that?
Not according to the majority of WiiU owners in that thread saying they use off TV play more than not...
New Xperia line haven't been released yet. They probably spent a good amount researching, developing and marketing it mind.
Wow, dude. It really seems to me, a neutral observer, like your sole agenda in this thread is to shit on PS3 sales and make sure that they doooowwwwwwn because it makes you feel better or something.
Baconsammy
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What a wonderful demeanor you have. Sorry, I was merely reading the wire reports that said Sony is now in the black.
Yep. Streaming cloud gaming to the Vita could be really cool. I'd definitely keep re-upping my PSN+ account for that.
The point is, the Vita can´t be safed at all. The only thing it can do is causing even more harm than it alreay did. Every cent spent for something Vita related would be better spent somewhere else. This platform shold´ve never seen the light of the day.
You must be new to these kind of threads. It sometimes feels there are Sony and MS PR's planted in neogaf.
It´s not going to work that way.
I always thought they weren't lowering the price on Vita because they literally can't afford to have it sold at a loss given the financial situation they're in. And I agree with them, it might sell like hotcakes if they lower the price drastically, but a slight price drop isn't going to do much at all. The problem is lack of compelling software.
It's a shame because I want to pick one at when the price is right and there's good software I want. It looks like a great system, but its prospects don't look very good at all.
Hydrargyrus
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Not bad I guess, at least for PS3
That´s probably because the majority of the WiiU owners at this point are fanboys that like off TV play just for the sake of it. General interest in the Gamepad is very low, just look at the sales numbers or the all around hype level of the WiiU. It´s not a well reveived platform at all.
PS3 remote play has that option IIRC. But because of Gaikai, cloud gaming may even be a better option.
yurinka
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Some Sony guy said that Vita price cut was going to wait until this year. We have 2 PS events this month so maybe they say something there. If not, let's say it's announced in Q2 (E3?).
There is also PS4 to be announced, and Sony has a history of console and handheld integrations, always improving with each iteration. Unlike PS3 now PS4 can be designed with this in mind, which would make sense considering WiiU and Smartglass trends. Just with wifin and the extra PS4 horsepower we'll see an improvement here. Depending how are they integrated, if PS4 works well (likely considering PS4 and Durango rumors) it would push Vita sales.
Regarding games, they have some cool ones coming. Depending how the PS4 and Gaikai integration works (wouldn't be rare to see Gaikai running on Vita, even with PS4 games) we can get a boost in Vita value here.
Yes, most devs will be focused on PS4 instead of in Vita. Both Sony and the 3rd party. But if the stated above comes true Vita is going to get more attention from everybody without needing magic things.
Vita also pioneered some areas that seems to be important in the Sony strategy : to integrate several devices through multiplatform digital services or a new way for game submissions are some examples. That maybe aren't important as of now in Vita itself, but will help them to learn and test before moving them to other Sony platforms (in some cases PS4, in some cases phones, tablets, etc) so they may prefer to have them running in as much as places as possible, and to kill Vita would affect them in the other services too (example : PSM).
It doesn't make sense to kill it now, just following its natural path Vita will improve. The question is how much depending on how much they push it. And Sony -as Kaz said- plans and evalute things for the long term, so I'm pretty sure that they were considering these things before its release. Vita numbers are a under initial estimations, remember that they come from PSP and PS3, where they really tanked vs what everybody was expecting for their first years.
So they should be ok with current Vita numbers looking at the long terms.
toddhunter
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Maybe or maybe not, but that is a completely different argument then Sony thinking it is still a really great idea and trying to take advantage of it.
Looks like we are thinking along the same lines. There are plenty of reasons they will keep the Vita around and keep pushing it. It would be a long road back for sure, but there is still certainly a path.
Or any other handheld with that logic. Vita is way more expensive than the 3ds including memory cards and thats the main issue. I use my vita daily. I have no short in games.
I don´t think it would be technically possible to stream PS4 games to the Vita, especially not when you´re using it as a real handheld and leave your house.
grimshawish
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Ouch at mobile, but it is arguably an Investment.
TV looks surprisingly 'okay'. Good spot.
Baconsammy
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I think the main issue is 3DS has Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter etc etc and Vita doesn't. What's a price cut going to do? Make a handheld that most people don't want more attractive, when what people probably want is a reason to buy one. Perhaps streaming cloud-based gaming is the answer. I'd hate to see the Vita just get price cut after price cut and slowly die (literally death by a 1000 cuts).
No not every handheld, the 3DS does just fine. But that´s about the only platform that can succeed in this environment. There is no place for other dedicated gaming handhelds anymore.
And as i said earlier, the Vita is available for 199€ including a game, that´s about the price region of the 3DS.
Ouch
Whiteshirt
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I have no idea how Sony did it during the joint venture but Mobile Product & Communication includes Vaio laptops (which probably sell shit all these days) and tablets (which Sony hasn't released a single good model and thus hasn't sold any).
So the losses from utterly unproductive sectors might have been rolled together. I can't check your numbers because I'm on my phone but a quick check shows that Sony Mobile has, at least, significantly increased sales and operating revenue whether through selling more hardware or having a higher average selling price.
Yep, the 3DS has all the franchises that are big in Japan or big for children below 14 in EU/US. These two are the key to a successful handheld.
With cloud gaming, it's not impossible.It is of course just a possibility. We'll see what Sony has in store for PS4-Vita connectivity.
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