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Media Create Sales: Week 8, 2013 (Feb 18 - Feb 24)
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Doesn't sound too unlikely.
test_account
XP-39C²
Exactly
I was curious who called NES and SNES for kiddy system, but maybe it has been in recent times. I wonder which systems back then that wasnt concidered as a kiddy system if that is the case.i am pretty sure he meant it outsold 3ds the week the vita launched and not comparing the launches of both systems
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I dunno, I just find the revisionist take that Wii Sports and only Wii Sports ever sold Wii hardware a little hard to swallow. Sort of like when people used the same argument for Brain-Age/Nintendogs on DS back in 2011.
Sony's already lost the Japanese market. To 3DS. And they don't have those PS2 "good feelings" to try a leverage commitments for old time's sake this cycle either. Look at how Vita turned out, and this in a market where PSP nearly matched PS2 even.
Also, how did PS3 do day one with a 10x power increase and "no games"?
It didn't. These are the numbers of Vita's launch week.
This 3DS number refers to the week of Vita launch
Sammy Samusu
Member
Vita would have sold ~40k regardless of price cut, two popular games are out including a bundle and new color.
frankie_baby
Member
no way would it have done, 2 popular games they may be but they aint big system sellers
Sounds somewhat plausible, considering that the biggest game released, Persona 4 Golden, gave it a bump to 34k for a week.
frankie_baby
Member
these arent on the same scale as p4
electroplankton
Banned
Fanservice is: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8g4mlHDAbyU/UI4Px4aiSUI/AAAAAAAARmc/pd7jkQ1nXO4/s1600/ncDemonGaze_12.jpg (a screen from Demon Gaze).
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I just hope something catches on.
I mean... one successful platform in a market of a half a dozen would scare the shit out of me. At this point I don't really care what Japan buys. But the market does need to have some degree of growth. Even if it is only in one sector.
I mean... one successful platform in a market of a half a dozen would scare the shit out of me. At this point I don't really care what Japan buys. But the market does need to have some degree of growth. Even if it is only in one sector.
People are actually buying NGS2+ in Japan? The first one did like 5k on Vita opening week, no? Sigma 2+ is also supposed to be a really bad port.
electroplankton
Banned
In the last generation, we basically had just PS2 and GBA. A leading handheld and a leading home console to me seems fine, and quite reasonable. Less platforms to buy, more games concentrated just on two platforms.
Next week is shaping up to be interesting. Personally, I don't think the Vita will break 100k or outsell the 3DS, but it's going to make for interesting viewing regardless.
Lack of competition breeds complacency. Plus, handheld games would be limited by the 3DS' tech and that would suck.
Lack of competition breeds complacency. Plus, handheld games would be limited by the 3DS' tech and that would suck.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
What's so bad about it?
nvm then i stand corrected
Since we're not going to get a one console environment any time soon, I actually think it'd be more interesting if we could see how a one handheld market could work in the face of the mobile uprising and blurred lines between console/handheld output. But that's just me, and I don't own any handheld anyway.
When backing out of the menu the game's resolution drops, and can look like this:
I've heard the frame rate is also quite shaky.
It's not like that all the time, but when I imagine when it is ... yikes.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
it's it 60?When backing out of the menu the game's resolution drops, and can look like this:
I've heard the frame rate is also quite shaky.
It's not like that all the time, but when I imagine when it is ... yikes.
electroplankton
Banned
There's a lot of competition: browser and mobile phone games. It might be enough. And so far, I still have to see a game that would be heavily limited on 3DS. We're not in the DS-PSP era anymore, where MH wasn't possible on the former.
Not at all.
Here's a screenshot of the game when it's not looking hideous:
Seems Team Ninja were only concerned with Dead or Alive 5 Plus, as that's supposed to run at 60fps, and looks a lot better than this.
They had 3150 employees back in march 2006, after 6 years (03/2012) they have slightly more than 4900.
Of course I have no idea about their duties inside the company, but it doesn't seem that crazy to believe lots, if not all of those people could be developers.
Well, MH is a franchise that is still carrying over questionable design decisions based on its origins on the PS2, milking its fan base with mostly recycled stuff and a few new monsters and equipment, and limiting improvements mostly to cosmetic features, so I would really look for a different example. I would 100% still complain about those design decisions if it were still designed the same way and it was on the Vita, but I suppose system power could always be rolled out as an excuse for a lack of progress with MH and the 3DS.
It's the reason we won't be seeing a truly improved version of MH on the Wii U.
I've snipped and PM'd you my response because I feel it might derail the thread.
So all consoles are doomed since none of the system sellers on consoles?
The problem with this is that no matter how big a system seller is, it can't support one platform by itself. If Pokemon/MH/AC is released early in system life and leave it for 3+ months with no other games, they are not gonna sell many systems either. They will become the one game people who buy when they buy a system instead of buying the system for the game.
EDIT:
It's sold out so it must be selling a lot!
I guess you missed those MH4 trailers
AdventureRacing
Member
So long as smartphones and tablets exist there will be competition. That point may have meant something in the past, it doesn't now.
electroplankton
Banned
Probably you don't know much about MH4, which is adding a lot of new stuffs wrt previous entries: online, more action-focused battles, wider areas, an actual plot, et cetera. I don't think MH would have evolved differently if it was on Vita.
metalslimer
Member
Would be nice to see Vita actually do decently for a bit. I don't really think it has a chance of a sustaining any kind of bump at all with the release schedule it has, but I certainly hope it finds its place in the market. It deserves to keep failing in the west with those ridiculous memory prices and no price drop though.
I don't know about doomed, but I have doubts about a console selling over 15 million in Japan anytime soon with Japan's biggest sellers on handhelds, or more specifically right now the 3DS. If the 3DS didn't exist, I imagine Wii U would be doing much better than it is, but when it comes to choosing between the two there is no comparison.
I don't know about doomed, but I have doubts about a console selling over 15 million in Japan anytime soon with Japan's biggest sellers on handhelds, or more specifically right now the 3DS. If the 3DS didn't exist, I imagine Wii U would be doing much better than it is, but when it comes to choosing between the two there is no comparison.
I've read about what they're planning. Capcom will probably RE6 MH in the process of "evolving" it. Those changes struck me as doing everything they can to avoid dealing with fixing tiny zones and a mediocre online system.
You guys expect Senran Kagura and Ninja Gaiden to be better system sellers than P4G or Hatsune Miku? The previous Ninja Gaiden on PSV bombed really hard in Japan and Senran Kagura won't do crazy numbers either (although the anime might help, I don't know if it's popular or not).
80k seems outlandish.
80k seems outlandish.
metalslimer
Member
I think pent up demand for the system will shoot it to around 50k. Senran Kagura and Ninja Gaiden will just be the beneficiaries of the price drop. The fun part will be PSO2 and Soul Sacrifice sales. 80k is possible, but I think closer to 60k is what will happen.
CoachKevin
Member
It seems like Vita is getting lines in Japan because of the price drop and also a few models are sold out at a few retailers:
http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/02/28/64293.html
http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/02/28/64299.html
Bodes well for next week but also for the upcoming weeks considering the rich lineup in March.
Shit, I hope I can find a Silver Vita next week...
electroplankton
Banned
Online is new for an handheld entry. Also: there are no much detail now. Also: tiny zones won't be tiny anymore, but larger. Not an open-world, but not even as in the previous entries. They're trying to evolve the game around gameplay ideas, at least.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I think people are saying combination of those + price drop + pso2 + games in march will combine for a decent week.
I agree with you though, 80k is not happening. I predicted 20k, which seems a little low now,but I'll stick with it.
Certainly online is new, but are you going to be satisfied with pre-set shout-outs like "I'm setting a bomb!" and dancing gestures or do you think that you're going to be writing out chat messages to your on-line buddies?
Or maybe there will be left over horsepower on the 3DS to support voice chat because the memory they're saving on ground textures has to be going somewhere?
You're apparently a much more optimistic person than I am.
I don't think PSO2 will do that well... Certainly people know they can get the game for free?
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah ok, like that. Thanks.
I think it will do pretty well.
I feel I should mention that a $30 version of Angry Birds is the best selling third party 3DS game in the US, so there definitely are examples of people being willing to pay far more than they have to for something.
The $40 console versions did pretty well too.
frankie_baby
Member
out of all this wave of vita games it will do the best
Expect surprise next week when PSO2 fails to sell as much as PSP.
I mean, there's still people who says DQX is a disappointment because it didn't sell as much as IX...
stealth edit: quote barrage...
It may not be represented in the Media Create charts with the physical releas,e but I suspect PSO2 will do well on Vita. Kawano (SCEJ's head) said SEGA's other F2P Vita game, Samurai & Dragons, has done very well on PSN.
BlackLagoon
Member
The pre-release images focused on fanservice, but the reports from people who played the game noted there was actually very little of it. Considering the game is still charting, I would say it's success was more from good word of mouth than marketing tricks.
Demon Gaze is a vaguely related spin-off from Students of the Round, which was originally released on PC, and then ported to 360 and PSP (selling 5k each).
I don't think a whole lot would drop either amount just to play it, but it is a system seller to a certain crowd at the right price, so the lower they can get that total price, the more of that crowd will buy it. Still hoping for a 10K Yen/$100 drop, even though that would basically kill Nintendo's profitability in the next year. If the system is going to turn around, that drop has to come before any other systems get implanted in the public mind. Japan seems to have a very "everyone go do this together" mindset. Works great when they need to all pull together to do something for the greater good. Also works against the idea of having two simultaneously successful competing consoles (e.g. I don't consider either Wii or PS3 as having been "successful" over most of/the entire generation in Japan).
That's my take, anyways. Wii Fit U is a system seller but not at any price, and the price is too high, in my opinion.
Oh I'm sure the game itself will do fine (the PC version is doing really well isn't it?). I was talking about the expensive physical release.
I honestly doubt anyone expects PSP numbers for PSO2, there's optimism and then there's delusion... But then again as you said, people were saying DQ X bombed despite the completely different business model so who knows...
It would be pretty sad if Soul Sacrifice sold worse than a F2P game.
Holy shit that makes me really sad :/
No, it wasn't wii sports per se. It was the idea of motion controls that got consumers excited. I would wager most wii u buyers in the first 2 years didn't even know what the name of the pack in game was.
People conflate home consoles and handhelds all the time, and I don't understand why. Home consoles are not the same as handheld consoles any more than bikes are the same as cars. The home console market in Japan has not disappeared.
Besides, the denouement to the Vita's story has not been written yet.
I think it did OK until the price cut boosted sales. It's not like it ever wii u'ed.