Based on impressions both positive and negative explaining how ds3 is I already know outside of morbid curiosity I do t want it. That's before dealing with external bullshit I don't want on top of that.
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Rumour: Dead Space 4 Cancelled Following Poor DS3 Sales [EA: "Patently False"]
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Based on impressions both positive and negative explaining how ds3 is I already know outside of morbid curiosity I do t want it. That's before dealing with external bullshit I don't want on top of that.
partyphone
Banned
I loved Dead Space 1 and 2 but the changes made to the formula in Dead Space 3 were completely unappealing to me. I won't even be buying the game when it gets cheap. And while I agree that the formula did need some shaking up making it covered based shooter is not a direction I'm interested in right now. Same reason I'm not picking up the new Tomb Raider. I would have had no qualms about spending $60 on a game that was primarily about raiding tombs.
I disagree. Halo, Zelda, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, you know the brands that last, are way more varied and distinctive than Dead Space. Even Assassin's Creed offers brand new settings for every installments. Also Mario is 25 fucking years old and the mainline series offer unmatched diversity and creativity in the medium.
Anonymous source saying everything that forum posters on the EA hate bandwagon have been assuming seems a little convenient. Dead Space 3 was the weakest in the trilogy (though still quite enjoyable) and it wouldn't surprise me if it underperformed but I'd take this with a grain of salt.
gamergirly
Member
It saddens me greatly. Especially when you look at the original and all of the potential. That's why I dont understand why some people want most of these so called "AAA" titles on Wii U when they're traitorous to the series' origins and dedicated fans.
RE6: Chris of Duty
Dead Space of Honor
RE6: Chris of Duty
Dead Space of Honor
Assassin's Creed is probably the next big franchise to fall if you ask me. Sure the settings and characters change, but the gameplay for me feels hyper stale.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
DAT BUBBLE.
I hope EA suffers more than anyone in the impending industry crash.
I hope EA suffers more than anyone in the impending industry crash.
Well...
I'd rather have EA committ more resources to Mass Effect anyway rather than bleed money on another space franchise.
EA could make a Mass Effect "horror" side story, that plays like a survival horror game and share assets and stuff with the main Mass Effect games for efficiency.
I'd rather have EA committ more resources to Mass Effect anyway rather than bleed money on another space franchise.
EA could make a Mass Effect "horror" side story, that plays like a survival horror game and share assets and stuff with the main Mass Effect games for efficiency.
The Horror the horror
Banned
I'd like to see EA try half the stunts they pull with their IPs on Madden. Sucks when you have the NFL watching over you for that sort of BS, huh, EA?
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
Its really frustrating how EA seems to feel entitled to the past audience of their games within a franchise when projecting their expectations for new games in a franchise. Like, they go out of their way to market Dead Space 3 as being less scary or horror based and more co-op friendly and action oriented and yet they still expect the people that bought Dead Space 1 or 2 based on the horror aspect to just buy it?
If they're constantly changing up and morphing the direction and tone of a series, then perhaps they shouldn't have these sky high sales expectations for each sequel. Something like Call of Duty didn't get where it is by radically changing its core features. Change the setting, sure. Add features that reinforce the core experience? Sure. But with Dead Space, it seemed like they were at least trying to downplay the horror aspects of the game, ending up sort of making a game in DS3 that tried to appeal to everyone and ended up just not strongly appealing to very many people.
It really seems like EA and Ubisoft want to emulate Activision in having only 2 or 3 huge titles and then just milk those to death. But what happens when one of those huge titles dries up? It would be silly to think that won't happen eventually.
I understand these big publishers want gigantic CoD style profits from each of their increasingly limited games, but that just seems an insane expectations and quite frankly a huge risk.
You'd think not every game needs to have some massive budget and massive marketing bloat to be a niche success. And then if you keep iterating on that niche game, maybe it starts to attract more people once it gains more positive word of mouth?
Its like Dragon Age for instance. They seem intent on trying to make that some massive thing but I don't know if it will. Yet, I can bet if BioWare made an old school Infinity Engine style Dragon Age game a la Project Eternity, that would do pretty well for them! But it wouldn't make CoD profits so that kind of a game will never be made by EA. And that's a shame.
If they're constantly changing up and morphing the direction and tone of a series, then perhaps they shouldn't have these sky high sales expectations for each sequel. Something like Call of Duty didn't get where it is by radically changing its core features. Change the setting, sure. Add features that reinforce the core experience? Sure. But with Dead Space, it seemed like they were at least trying to downplay the horror aspects of the game, ending up sort of making a game in DS3 that tried to appeal to everyone and ended up just not strongly appealing to very many people.
It really seems like EA and Ubisoft want to emulate Activision in having only 2 or 3 huge titles and then just milk those to death. But what happens when one of those huge titles dries up? It would be silly to think that won't happen eventually.
I understand these big publishers want gigantic CoD style profits from each of their increasingly limited games, but that just seems an insane expectations and quite frankly a huge risk.
You'd think not every game needs to have some massive budget and massive marketing bloat to be a niche success. And then if you keep iterating on that niche game, maybe it starts to attract more people once it gains more positive word of mouth?
Its like Dragon Age for instance. They seem intent on trying to make that some massive thing but I don't know if it will. Yet, I can bet if BioWare made an old school Infinity Engine style Dragon Age game a la Project Eternity, that would do pretty well for them! But it wouldn't make CoD profits so that kind of a game will never be made by EA. And that's a shame.
IonicSnake
Banned
A next-gen Dead Space would have been cool.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
All I can say is that I hope they fucking learn something from this experience.
They won't though.
They won't though.
Yeah, fuck all the people EA employs who aren't involved in these stupid decision.
I HOPE THEY ALL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
If memory serves me right, the first Dead Space didn't sell amazing and i'm pretty certain the rumours at that time were that the game didn't seel enough and EA wont sanction a Dead Space 2. Well we got a Dead Space 2 in the end and i won't be at all suprised if we get a next gen Dead Space in a couple of years.
Having said all that, fuck EA, seriously fuck them. It mybe a cuntish thing to say but gaming would be for the better if EA went under.
Having said all that, fuck EA, seriously fuck them. It mybe a cuntish thing to say but gaming would be for the better if EA went under.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I've been watching an LP of DS3 and it seems a lot more action-y than DS1 or DS2. In fact a lot of the missions seem pretty lazy, and generally involve lots of backtracking while being forced to fight wave upon wave of enemies:
Ellie: Get to the shuttle Isaac!
Isaac: OK I'm here.
Ellie: Damn, there's no fuel in the shuttle. Find the fuel pump and fill up the shuttle!
*spend 30 minutes fighting your way to the fuel pump, activating it, then fighting your way back to the shuttle*
Isaac: OK the shuttle is fueled. Let's get moving.
Ellie: Damn, there's some debris blocking the train. Go unblock the debris Isaac!
*spend 30 minutes fighting your way back the way you came, entering a slightly different room, solving a puzzle, then fighting your way back to the shuttle*
Isaac: OK the debris is unblocked. Can I get on the train now?
Ellie: Let me test fire this shuttle first. Get somewhere safe.
*fight your way out of the same area and get somewhere safe*
Isaac: OK I'm safe now.
Ellie: Uh oh I accidentally launched the shuttle and I can't stop it. GET BACK TO THE SHUTTLE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!! Oh also there is now fire everywhere that will burn you to a crisp if you touch it. And every monster on the ship has just been released. Oh and a bunch of those monsters are invincible and can't be killed.
*sigh*
The game does have some cool ideas, like monsters that can only hear, and the weapon crafting system looks fun, but the moment to moment gameplay seems to be very samey throughout.
Neuromancer
Member
We'll always have Dead Space 1. Hell of a game. I just pretend 2 and 3 don't exist.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
I'm quite confident a lot of people are going to lose their jobs in this industry if this approach of increasingly bloated budgets continues. It will certainly suck for EA employees to take the brunt of this but it will be satisfying to watch the attempts of those shit-head EA execs to hit the goldmine go up in smoke.
TheJollyCorner
Member
man, I was really looking forward to a next gen Dead Space. :/
Hope this isn't true.
Hope this isn't true.
I really can't say but a quick Google search shows about 500K if certain places can be trusted...
If that is true, ouch.
WrenchNinja
Member
The Alien series analogy works so well for this series.
Uh what?
zing!
way to go EA. First Dead Space game was kind of promising, and instead of nurturing the series and releasing quality sequels you drove it into the ground. Get used to selling less and less games to consumers who are tired of your shit!
MeBecomingI
Member
This.
Dead Space 1 and 2 were both awesome because they focused on the horror aspect. I bought it specifically because of the maturity and focus on horror and suspense, which I feel was something that the industry has started to drift away from. Dead Space took it seriously, at least in my opinion and it was awesome because of it.
EA ruins another.
I could say that about Dead Space 1
Broadbandito
Member
Everyone that says "good" can go fuck themselves. 2-1-3 and I still enjoyed the hell out of 3 since the co-op is just so damn good.
Stevetopsy
Member
What a shame. DS 1-2 were some of my favorite games this gen but I had absolutely no hype going into DS3 after the reveal making it seem more Lost Planet than Dead Space. Alas, I think this game could've been a "true" DS sequel and still failed to sell 5 mil, it's just not that kind of game. EA was just looking for a reason to can the franchise in my opinion.
Raven77
Member
HHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
SUCK IT EA, suck it so hard, and so long (literally, so long, you're shitty business practices if continued will lead to your closure).
I really feel bad for Dead Space fans over this. EA has now learned TWO hard lessons.
1. With Dragon Age 2, they altered what made the first great in order to attract the "Whoa blood! Dude! Bro!" crowd and the game was a financial failure (they claimed to recognize this, apparently they learned nothing).
2. Dead Space 3 alters some of what made the original 2 great, and also implemented a dying-donkey of a business practice known as micro-transactions (this is an UNSUSTAINABLE business model in it's current wide spread practice) and people were soured to DS3.
Okay my rant is over with. Feel free to spend the next 2 pages disagreeing with me
SUCK IT EA, suck it so hard, and so long (literally, so long, you're shitty business practices if continued will lead to your closure).
I really feel bad for Dead Space fans over this. EA has now learned TWO hard lessons.
1. With Dragon Age 2, they altered what made the first great in order to attract the "Whoa blood! Dude! Bro!" crowd and the game was a financial failure (they claimed to recognize this, apparently they learned nothing).
2. Dead Space 3 alters some of what made the original 2 great, and also implemented a dying-donkey of a business practice known as micro-transactions (this is an UNSUSTAINABLE business model in it's current wide spread practice) and people were soured to DS3.
Okay my rant is over with. Feel free to spend the next 2 pages disagreeing with me
To be fair - and this is the bit no-one really wants to contemplate - if budgets are cut significantly, lots of people will lose their jobs as well. Companies had to grow to handle HD, and now they - understandably - want to keep their recruits on, when probably the *better* strategy would be to slim down, cut loose the people they don't need for a given project, and continue as a smaller company.
Don't forget that a huge proportion of the budget for a game goes towards simple wages. It comes down to a choice between slimming down and working on more manageable expectations, or taking huge risks in order to try to keep your faithful employees, uh, employed.
As for the bolded, that's why they introduce a few new IPs every so often.
Like Ubisoft is bringing out Watch_Dogs for example.
The number they try is very limited though. Like Ubisoft killed off Osiris, which was their other early bet on new IP.
I'd normally use EA examples, but they refuse to unveil any games releasing past FUSE.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Looks like AAAA stands for Axed AAA series.
BRocknRolla
Member
I agree with the first statement, but not the second. Dead Space should have been a modest seller. It's a graphic, space horror game and that isn't going to appeal to everyone. That's that. EA should never have increased expectations to these levels and if they increased the game's budget to meet those expectations, it was a huge mistake too. Dead Space should have a smaller budget, be a more focussed game, and have lower sales expectations. It does not need to become some sort or "mainstream" success to be a worthwhile series. Not every game needs to sell 3-5 million if it has been budgeted properly. There should be nothing wrong with having a stable of more niche titles with more modest sales expectations.
Meccanical
Member
Another one bites the dust ♪
Another one bites the dust ♪
And another one gone, and another one gone ♪
Another one bites the dust ♪
Another one bites the dust ♪
And another one gone, and another one gone ♪
Another one bites the dust ♪
grimshawish
Banned
They weren't happy with sales of 1 or 2. Yet they were enough to allow a sequel. So losses were not made.
Yet they changed the formula and USP (well I'd say bad management saw then remove and fail to identify a USP) for the newest game and it in fact sold less.
Will EA identify that by removing what actually interested the consumer they broke their product? Cancelling the series instead of fixing it would represent this. This is just shitty management plain and simple.
Either believe in the USP enough to keep making them or stop making them in the first place.
What on earth do these publishers think sales will be for the next 2 years or so?
Yet they changed the formula and USP (well I'd say bad management saw then remove and fail to identify a USP) for the newest game and it in fact sold less.
Will EA identify that by removing what actually interested the consumer they broke their product? Cancelling the series instead of fixing it would represent this. This is just shitty management plain and simple.
Either believe in the USP enough to keep making them or stop making them in the first place.
What on earth do these publishers think sales will be for the next 2 years or so?
Killing_Joke
Member
I'm ok with this. New IP for next gen. DS4 doesn't really interest me with the way the franchise is going.
edit- damn missed the part where Visceral Montreal was shut down. They're a damn good team. WTF?
edit- damn missed the part where Visceral Montreal was shut down. They're a damn good team. WTF?
oh ok!
Omegasquash
Member
I don't get all the hate...the meat of the game wasn't changed, and elements were added. You didn't even have to take on the additional content if you didn't want to.
It's a pity it (allegedly) sold what it did. Frankly I think it deserves another iteration...I found that I like it more than ME3.
It's a pity it (allegedly) sold what it did. Frankly I think it deserves another iteration...I found that I like it more than ME3.
Exactly my story. What these business practices have done is make me so sceptical about any big-name game. They have used up all of my good will. The end result is that it's become easier and easier to skip a franchise that I have historically followed as soon as I hear less than stellar impressions.
This is the exact opposite of what you want in a customer who has already bought a couple dozen of your products during this generation.