Madrugador
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Some guy told me Vita was sold out in a lot of stores, but I don't believe him.
Do we know anything about this?
Do we know anything about this?
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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2013 (Feb 25 - Mar 03)
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Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Meh lack of anything dramatic.
Vita did decent numbers, not bad, not great.
I definitely over estimated PSO2 but it will be interesting to see the digital sales as it was free.
God knows how Shinovi managed to get those sales.
WiiU possibly stabilising at 10k?
Sony need to announce some games for PSV prompt because the 2013 schedule is looking barren.
Why did WiiU rise? Probably some statistical noise wonder if its going to descend further before the next major release.
Who would win;
Sony: GT,FF,MGS
Nintendo: WW HD, MK, 3D Mario
FF> MK on average
GT>3D mario on average
MGS> WW HD
Lots of assumptions here and it is very unlikely that Sony manages to get MGS,FF and GT6 out by the launch window whereas likely Nintendo does the three combo with a price cut they did with the 3DS. In the small chance they do though I reckon PS4 will have the advantage in the above scenario assuming the price difference after price cut is no more than 10-15k.
Vita did decent numbers, not bad, not great.
I definitely over estimated PSO2 but it will be interesting to see the digital sales as it was free.
God knows how Shinovi managed to get those sales.
WiiU possibly stabilising at 10k?
Sony need to announce some games for PSV prompt because the 2013 schedule is looking barren.
Why did WiiU rise? Probably some statistical noise wonder if its going to descend further before the next major release.
Who would win;
Sony: GT,FF,MGS
Nintendo: WW HD, MK, 3D Mario
FF> MK on average
GT>3D mario on average
MGS> WW HD
Lots of assumptions here and it is very unlikely that Sony manages to get MGS,FF and GT6 out by the launch window whereas likely Nintendo does the three combo with a price cut they did with the 3DS. In the small chance they do though I reckon PS4 will have the advantage in the above scenario assuming the price difference after price cut is no more than 10-15k.
yellowjacket25
Member
I don't expect anything. Someone earlier mentioned the overwhelming negativity in here, and I responded and said that most sales threads have negativity like that. If you disagree, that's fine, but I stand by that. I didn't really expect everyone to get so offended by the statement, but whatever. It is what it is.
Where's the Xbox 360 on this chart? Is it that grey line at the bottom?
So what did EX Troopers do wrong that GE2 would do right on the 3DS? Isn't it just as much 4 player, anime-aesthetics, hunting action as God Eater?
Amusingly, one of the boss fights in the raid added to WoW in the latest patch is pretty much what I'd imagine to be Mario Does Monster Hunter; you have to knock over turtles and kick them around.
What was DS's announced third-party lineup at launch? I don't recall much of note.
Did Layton get an E-shop release?
They would actually have to announce a game for release this year that appeals to Japan first.
They would actually have to announce a game for release this year that appeals to Japan first.
You need to take a larger/dialectical perspective: negativity for some people means positivity for other.
I know, it can hurt but, console warz.
Well, having to basically administrate three million individual towns would be daunting to anyone.
Of course no one knows for sure,
but IMO it is still more probable that WiiU will outsell PS4 this holiday season.
surprised at vita sales over 60k. wow, that's pretty damn good. hopefully it can keep up, and the system can stay alive beyond the end of the year.
speaking of dead systems, the wii u bounced back slightly despite having nothing. i mean, everything went up this week, even the 360. what's going on?
speaking of dead systems, the wii u bounced back slightly despite having nothing. i mean, everything went up this week, even the 360. what's going on?
Whatever your definition of clone is, it's obvious they're trying to copy the concept that really made MH take off -- a social, local coop 4-player experience with ever more powerful loot (or objects required to make said equipment). Soul Sacrifice's TVCM makes this really apparent, as they ignore the whole dark theme of the game and, in a really upbeat voice, goes "let's go hunting with magic!" while showing off players horsing around in coop, etc.
Doubt any of these Sony games would sell nearly as much as the Nintendo counterparts when they are released that close to the launch, besides FF has been on a downward trend for quite a while. Nintendo consoles also benefit stronger from the holidays than Sony consoles.
pieatorium
Member
A full console port would be expected to be maintained to the same level as the main game, we should have all heard about the peculiarities of getting console patches through even though the patching seems to be handled differently for mmo type games.
Sega might have just thought it wasn't worth the trouble, especially with the gen ending soon supporting a second version that might run out of steam early or a 2nd/3rd version that might get slow uptake seems kind of iffy to me.
With the Vita version they can keep it as it's own separated thing more easily i would think and the series has been mostly portable recently as well so perhaps they thought thats were some of the fanbase was likely to join from.
Even without a vita version I would think the timing for a version for current consoles would be a bit off.
Well I found the DS list.
It's pretty déjà vu in some ways.
I think this was prior to TGS in case anything was announced around then.
Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2004/08/10/nintendo-ds-line-up-part-twoIGN said:
Edit:
Here's TGS 2004: http://www.ign.com/articles/2004/09/26/tgs-2004-nintendo-ds-games-at-tgs
It was mostly a few extra titles being unveiled like Puyo Pop.
airmangataosenai
Member
And to people downplaying the Vita sales this week: I seriously doubt that whenever Wii U gets a re-release with price-drop/new software, that it will end up with results this good unless it happens during the holiday rush.
metalslimer
Member
Why can't you think these Vita sales are not a good sign for the future and also think Wii U isn't going to do well until the holidays? And what does Vita sales have to do with Wii U anyway?
What does the Wii U's prospect of doing well during a price drop have to do with the Vita's performance for this pricedrop? People are bringing up the fact that the Vita didn't sell higher which seems to indicate this is a peak that doesn't bode well for its future.
airmangataosenai
Member
It's just so bizarre how everyone is pretending that before 2 days ago, expectations of the sales were higher than 60k, that's an outright lie. The past several weeks people were laughed at for suggesting anything over 50k.
Then all of a sudden we see pictures of lines and reports of sell-outs and apparently anything below 100k is a disappointment?
Who knows - but expectations for home console in Japan are generally lower nowadays. WiiU being able to sell 25-50k a week would already be a start, especially compared to its competition. Vita is being compared with the 3DS and its predecessor the PSP....
metalslimer
Member
So? They are disappointment regardless of expectations considering this is the last price drop Vita will have for at least a year or two. And yes expectations were raised with the quadruple comment. So while sales certainly exceeded people's expectations of abysmal failure, that does not mean people have to think they are good.
I don't know how it's possible to judge a hypothetical price cut with hypothetical games attached to it.
By how much would Nintendo cut the price in your scenario? What games would be released alongside it?
It's not about the sales spike, but about what it might mean for the future. Many people thought that price cut won't have much of an effect, so that the Vita will likely fall back to 15k or less rather soon. Reports of sell outs gave hope that the effect of the price cut might be bigger than previously expected, giving the hardware more of a chance to stabilize on a decent level.
Now it's at 60k, which is okay, but in comparison a rather modest spike. You don't get the impression that many people have waited for a price drop before picking up a Vita, instead it seems like the interest just isn't that high. Of course, that's judging by a single week and ignoring that there are quite a few interesting games releasing for the Vita in the upcoming weeks. It's possible that the Vita gains more traction with Soul Sacrifice, for example. Right now, the sales haven't been too encouraging, however.
Wii U defining Vita's success and Vita defining Wii U's success is the only thing thing that matters? Vita will return to its normal levels of irrelevance very soon. It is what was expected and what has happened after this famous price drop that would give life again to the system.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Yeah, I was wondering about that as well.
Well, given software sales, this suggests a lot of people (with perhaps diverse interests, since there are a lot of new titles) were in stores this week.
Perhaps that helped everything?
pieatorium
Member
Theres a slim chance to see another drop at the end of the year maybe, there will certainly be a drop in the west sometime around the holidays and if their PR about this just being a reevaluation based on the current yen is to be believed (heh) then maybe the jp price will come down again.
thats alot of maybes though lol
Vita is the tide that lifts all ships.
StarCreator
Member
I have no numbers to give, of course, but during JP peak hours the Vita and PC+Vita blocks on PSO2 Ship02 are crazy, crazy full.
Vita could overtake Wii U in yearly sales next week, wow. It looks like Sony does not want to be most failing new product. If Nintendo retaliates (and Sony then again) there might be still hope for those two.
Marvelous timed their Vita game perfectly. PSU sales are a lit bit disappointing. And with Soul Sacrifice upcoming, which will be a 250k seller or so, Vita could stay above 20k for a couple of weeks.
Marvelous timed their Vita game perfectly. PSU sales are a lit bit disappointing. And with Soul Sacrifice upcoming, which will be a 250k seller or so, Vita could stay above 20k for a couple of weeks.
you're right,
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48917268&postcount=1571
but some people got their prediction almost right as well.
electroplankton
Banned
So, what are the predictions for Soul Sacrifice?
As far as we know, the game is heavily pushed by Sony:
-released just after the price cut
-bundle
-two-in-one pack
-30 day PS+
-a lot of advertisement in stores and in TV
If it opens below 100k, well, that would be disappointing.
Well, it's not that all games must sell 100k.
There are games that are fine with sub-50k levels. Magi seems one of those.
As far as we know, the game is heavily pushed by Sony:
-released just after the price cut
-bundle
-two-in-one pack
-30 day PS+
-a lot of advertisement in stores and in TV
If it opens below 100k, well, that would be disappointing.
Well, it's not that all games must sell 100k.
There are games that are fine with sub-50k levels. Magi seems one of those.
Even with all of Sony's promotion, there's not really an indication it would go that high, especially considering that if it went to 250k, it would be the best selling game for the platform. Preorders just aren't that high, and I don't think 250k is realistic.
Father_Brain
Banned
What are the sources for that, besides Comgnet? Not disputing it, just wondering.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How is it on a decline.....FF13 sold nearly 2 million. Everyone realised how shit it was and stopped buying the sequels. I think i will wait for the next mainline FF to judge whether its on a decline or not.
You did not even provide any evidence for your claims either:
On average mainline MGS (2+3+4+PW) sell: 775 000 (includes handheld)
On average mainline Zelda sell: 685 000 (includes handheld) Bearing in ming WW HD is a REMAKE so will be even less.
On average mainline FF(10+12+13) sell: 2 000 000 (console only)
On average mainline MK sell: 2 033 000 (console only and includes the HUGE anomaly that is MK Wii)
On average mainline GT(3+4+5) sell: 1 000 000 (console only)
On average mainline 3D mario sell: 1 000 000 (console only)
Used garaph for data.
Its clear that Sony with the aid of third parties has the ability to outsell Nintendo's possible triple combo.
There aren't really any other trackers for preorders in Japan. But while Comgnet is not a reliable source for predicting accurate sales, it's a bad sign when Soul Sacrifice hasn't even entered the charts until recently.
DragonSworne
Banned
Cool, I can pick and choose numbers that will favor Nintendo.
You honestly think there is a chance in hell those games are released anytime soon?
michaelius
Banned
Those dual packs will make sure that more than 100k would be big suprise.
He was talking about PS4 killing WiiU this holiday season and none of these Sony/"Playstation" franchises are likely to be released on PS4 this year, only GT6 has a tiny chance to be a launch title but I doubt it will, actually I´m pretty sure it won´t. While the mentioned games for WiiU actually are likely to be released this year.
Between 120~150k is my guess, but secretly hoping for more. Also, hoping for legs.
djplaeskool
Member
Sega twitter announced it set a new record for concurrent players online this morning too.
PSO2 is just jam packed and even awesomer now. No shortage of crazy multi-party action.
djplaeskool
Member
PhoenixDark
Banned
Brilliant. RipI teased this in last weeks thread. Both a tribute to the late great #Paul Bearer (WWE Legend) and the PSVita's (temporary) rise from thecoffinashes:
Playstation 1, Sega Genesis.
Also NDS had a very bad one in the beginning.
pieatorium
Member
Metal Gear I would expect this year if it's cross gen, even if it's next gen only I would suggest it would be launch windowish (Nintendo style 5 month launch window). GZ was announced 5 months ago.
Any new FF is a while of but versus going PS4 exclusive is always a possibility i guess?
GT wont be Launch window, much more likely a holiday 2014 game imo.