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[Nirolak]

To be fair, the 3DS does have two of the heaviest hitters in Japanese gaming coming up at some point this year; perhaps they're waiting for the announcement of the release date of MH4 and Pokemon, and then will set their own plans accordingly. It's a bit too early for any of the Japanese companies to be announcing their holiday lineups, and the summer is going to be dominated by Nintendo stuff (Mario & Luigi, Mario Golf, DKCR 3D)/Monster Hunter (although there might probably a few 100k games that haven't been announced yet). Plus, the 3DS in the West has a very good lineup, and the base is going to build a lot with both Animal Crossing and Pokemon coming up this year. The 3DS is going to receive a lot of support in its lifetime.

I don't doubt the 3DS will be very well supported.

My main question is volume of titles as opposed to the impact of those that exist.

Nintendo basically has tons of giant flagship franchises from first and third party on the platform, but I guess my question can be summed up as "Has the same polarization that's effected console gaming the West notably impacted the 3DS in Japan, causing a reduction of titles in favor of only making a company's biggest handheld titles on the platform, while reallocating most resources that made smaller handheld titles elsewhere?"

Square Enix is kind of an interesting case study since they had a large volume of handheld titles relative to many other publishers, but it seems to be shrinking. Is that a reality, or a factor of announcement timing? I think it's an open question, but one that's slowly becoming less open.

 

[pieatorium]

To be fair, the 3DS does have two of the heaviest hitters in Japanese gaming coming up at some point this year; perhaps they're waiting for the announcement of the release date of MH4 and Pokemon, and then will set their own plans accordingly. It's a bit too early for any of the Japanese companies to be announcing their holiday lineups, and the summer is going to be dominated by Nintendo stuff (Mario & Luigi, Mario Golf, DKCR 3D)/Monster Hunter (although there probably are a few 100k games that haven't been announced yet). Plus, the 3DS in the West has a very good lineup, and the base is going to build a lot with both Animal Crossing and Pokemon coming up this year, along with a steady stream of 100k sellers or more. The 3DS is going to receive a lot of support in its lifetime.

I don't think 3DS receiving alot of support is in question but moreso that it could and possibly should be receiving more support than it currently is.


edit : late

 

[Man God]

The only two companies that surprise me with their lack of announced games on the 3DS are Square-Enix and Capcom. SE for reasons I've already laid out (they are just too quiet on that front) and Capcom for not announcing a fighting game or two after the launch success of SSFIV.

 

[Nirolak]

The only two companies that surprise me with their lack of announced games on the 3DS are Square-Enix and Capcom. SE for reasons I've already laid out (they are just too quiet on that front) and Capcom for not announcing a fighting game or two after the launch success of SSFIV.

I kind of think Capcom just dropped any titles that were Western focused off the platform and refocused their efforts on their Japanese focused line-up.

I mean of the games on that list, Monster Hunter 4 and Ace Attorney 5 are very major titles.

However, we're also about a year out from when Revelations released and got a console port announced instead of a sequel.

 

[serplux]

I don't doubt the 3DS will be very well supported.

My main question is volume of titles as opposed to the impact of those that exist.

Nintendo basically has tons of giant flagship franchises from first and third party on the platform, but I guess my question can be summed up as "Has the same polarization that's effected console gaming the West notably impacted the 3DS in Japan, causing a reduction of titles in favor of only making a company's biggest handheld titles on the platform, while reallocating most resources that made smaller handheld titles elsewhere?"

Square Enix is kind of an interesting case study since they had a large volume of handheld titles relative to many other publishers, but it seems to be shrinking. Is that a reality, or a factor of announcement timing? I think it's an open question, but one that's slowly becoming less open.

It's not as easy to churn out a bunch of smaller titles on the 3DS as it was on the DS or GBA, of course. And the smartphone market has eaten into some of that. But Nintendo platforms have always been host to some very quirky games, and I don't see that changing this generation.

The only two companies that surprise me with their lack of announced games on the 3DS are Square-Enix and Capcom. SE for reasons I've already laid out (they are just too quiet on that front) and Capcom for not announcing a fighting game or two after the launch success of SSFIV.

Square Enix doesn't have a lot of titles announced for later this year overall, period.

I kind of think Capcom just dropped any titles that were Western focused off the platform and refocused their efforts on their Japanese focused line-up.

I mean of the games on that list, Monster Hunter 4 and Ace Attorney 5 are very major titles.

However, we're also about a year out from when Revelations released and got a console port announced instead of a sequel.

Has Capcom ever focused on Western titles for a handheld? The DS didn't have much from them that wasn't Japanese-focused, and the 3DS is already doing tons better in that regard.

 

[pieatorium]

It's not as easy to churn out a bunch of smaller titles on the 3DS as it was on the DS or GBA, of course. And the smartphone market has eaten into some of that. But Nintendo platforms have always been host to some very quirky games, and I don't see that changing this generation.

I wouldn't say it is greatly harder though, better hardware power doesn't automatically mean more expensive development especially for small games that aren't involved in the tech race or rely on top tier visuals to get noticed.

 

[Nirolak]

Has Capcom ever focused on Japanese titles for a handheld? The DS didn't have much from them that wasn't Japanese-focused, and the 3DS is already doing tons better in that regard.

Assuming you meant Western-focused titles in the first sentence, I would say at the start of the 3DS they definitely tried to make that expansion with things like Revelations, Mercenaries, and Street Fighter, but then backed off the idea.

 

[Hero of Legend]

I've been thinking for the past while. but with Irem being unusually 3DS exclusive for past couple of years since the big shuffle and departures (and Disaster Report 4 being canned at the last minute), I've been thinking they should port their notable PSP games to 3DS.

Not begging per se, but they've been really building an audience, even though they've only been releasing Pachislot games, most of them included their legacy GB games. Thus are introducing their games to a new generation of people.

And they have quite a number of good PSP games, like the Bumpy Trot battle spin-off, Hammerin' Hero, and the R-Type games.

If they don't feel they have the creative juice in them nor the cash for new entries, test the waters with their new fanbase, I think it can pay off and if successful, bring new entries.

Anyone feel the same?

 

[Nirolak]

Not begging per se

It's a sales thread. Any civil talk about porting is totally appropriate in a thread like this, so don't worry about any "port begging" rules.

 

[serplux]

Assuming you meant Western-focused titles in the first sentence, I would say at the start of the 3DS they definitely tried to make that expansion with things like Revelations, Mercenaries, and Street Fighter, but then backed off the idea.

I can't imagine that they don't have some plans for another fighting game on the console, considering how well SFIV did. And we haven't seen any Mega Man games on the 3DS, while we've seen at least 3 of them on every other Nintendo handheld to this point; that's probably affecting their volume output by quite a bit.

Edit: Yes, I did mean western. I guess I'm not too clear in the head right now.

 

[Hero of Legend]

It's a sales thread. Any civil talk about porting is totally appropriate in a thread like this, so don't worry about any "port begging" rules.

I wasn't sure, and after all my years of being here (since Nov 2006), I've tried being very careful after a couple of bans from years ago about port begging, so I always tread with caution and only bring up anything of the sort when it's constructive, calm, and part of the discussion.

But thanks for letting me know.

 

[Boney]

oh gosh what

 

[pieatorium]

I can't imagine that they don't have some plans for another fighting game on the console, considering how well SFIV did. And we haven't seen any Mega Man games on the 3DS, while we've seen at least 3 of them on every other Nintendo handheld to this point; that's probably affecting their volume output by quite a bit.

I woud imagine most of their fighting game focus atm would be on getting a good early start on the next gen stuff (with arcade versions first).

SF 3ds did great but the big audience for those games is on home console (esp the west) and arcade.

Marvel isn't as big in Japan, SF x Tekken didn't have great reception either, the darkstalkers rerelease was a download only thing done by wesern partner. I'm not sure what they could really bring.

 

[serplux]

I woud imagine most of their fighting game focus atm would be on getting a good early start on the next gen stuff (with arcade versions first).

SF 3ds did great but the big audience for those games is on home console (esp the west) and arcade.

Marvel isn't as big in Japan, SF x Tekken didn't have great reception either, the darkstalkers rerelease was a download only thing done by wesern partner. I'm not sure what they could really bring.

I'd say that the 3DS is at least deserving of a few ports, if not one original game.

 

[Road]

Well, which game from S-E do you think the 3DS is missing?

Saga is dead
A big FF game? They already have 5 FF in development

XIV
Lightning Returns
Versus
X HD
New one to be announced at E3


Next 3DS games are probably going to be DQM, Itadaki Street and Bravely Default 2. Maybe some PSX/PS2 port too. And DQXI, of course, but this is for 2015.

All that Hashimoto said is that they are "preparing for development of a FF title"

"a FF title"

He didn't even say "a new FF title".

Also, "preparing for development".

"preparing"

Meaning they haven't even started yet?

Maybe Square Enix translates their PR the same way they choose their game titles, by picking from a bowl full of post-its with random English and Latin words in them.

Whatever it is, it has to be developed and prevents people from doing other games.

 

[Man God]

I think they will throw an apology MM game for the anniversary out this year on multiple platforms, including the 3DS. They are not being subtle about it in America, releasing one NES Megaman game a month for the first half of the year.

They've definitely refocused on the 3DS and decided that instead of a mini appeal to western approach we'll just go with our big hitters and localize what is appropriate. So we'll get PW 5 without too much delay and MH 4 sometime next year. Capcom will have a fairly open slate soon though if they don't start announcing games though.

Konami has truly moved on. Namco is throwing a ton of weight at the Vita and is almost without question their biggest third party supporter. Sega has also moved on but 3DS will probably see a Sonic game or two thrown its way soonish.

and then it all comes back to SE. I can understand them being too busy fixing their big tent pole releases to work on anything that's new and big, but considering just how much outsourcing they did on the DS and how little their dedicated PSP teams are doing right now it's still shockingly bare. They could be paying short money to get a company to port over a bunch of PS2/PSP titles or rework the very popular original FF:CC on the 3DS or Wii U or whatever, but nope. All we get out of them is that they're still working on Versus, fixing XIV, rushing out another XIII sequel (that's probably fifty percent or more farmed out) and not working on FF X HD while they are working on KH 1.5 HD!

 

[squall23]

What is so bad about Tempest?

Game was short, story was bad, characters were bad even though their designs were OK, game system was primitive. Although, because of all those flaws, the game being short might have been a good thing.

 

[pieatorium]

I'd say that the 3DS is at least deserving of a few ports, if not one original game.

That's what I'm saying though what games would be likely ports?

A new game in an existing franchise seems unlikely to target 3ds imo same with new fighting IP, I guess multiplat release would be a possibility but still seems less likely than an arcade/home console focus.

 

[extralite]

Anyone know how SS is looking on the JP PSN store? I would check but really can't with the new store design.

Charts are released on Tuesdays. The new store design (on PS3 only) actually has a top twenty. Why can you not access it?

Edit: It has 441 ratings with an average of 4.91 stars, if that's what you wanted to know.

 

[michaelius]

Sega has also moved on but 3DS will probably see a Sonic game or two thrown its way soonish.

We already know there's a Sonic game coming to 3DS/PSV/PS3/X360/Wii U in production

 

[Celestial]

Square Enix is also working on Kingdom Hearts 2.5 and there are rumours about Final Fantasy X-2 HD.I would be surprised if they will not announce Dragon Quest VIII HD by next year.

Also there are these two games

PS3/PSV Title with Unity engine(Final Fantasy Type-1?)

http://gematsu.com/2011/12/square-enix-developing-new-action-rpg-for-ps3-and-vita

Western-type RPG next-gen(probably)

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/11/29/dragon-quest-producer-working-on-original-action-rpg

But it's been ages since we last heard them so maybe they are canceled.Who knows......

 

[pieatorium]

Any off the cuff announcement with no details or follow up in 18 months I wouldn't put many hopes in.

 

[Celestial]

Any off the cuff announcement with no details or follow up in 18 months I wouldn't put many hopes in.

Well the PS3/PSV game wasn't officialy announced or teased.All we have is from a job listing.The western game was in very early planning when it was mentioned and they even didnt know the platform which is gonna be released.

This is classic SE.They announce/tease something and they fully reveal it some years later.

 

[michaelius]

In case of SE "I'll trust it when i see it" policy is recommended

 

[Celestial]

In case of SE "I'll trust it when i see it" policy is recommended

More like ''when i will play it''.

See Versus.

 

[Hero of Legend]

No thoughts about mine about Irem above?

 

[Zenaku]

Apparently, one of the guest illustators that did work on Bravely Default was invited to a BDFF related gathering yesterday, alongside many other people.

They met some of the staff and talked about various "things" that he can't talk about yet.

http://amebayashi.at.webry.info/201303/article_2.html

 

[BishopLamont]

BDFF 2 confirmed.

 

[Sandfox]

Bravely Default evolving into a full blown franchise would be cool.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

It's great to see the Vita doing well. Let's hope it can maintain it.

 

[Road]

PSP   MHP3    4,801,454
PSP   MHP2G   4,184,675
3DS   MH3G    1,816,336
PSP   MHP2    1,723,187
PSP   MHP     1,122,604
WII   MH3     1,077,273
PS2   MH2       692,005
PS3   MH3HD     426,086
PS2   MH        288,559
WII   MHG       236,020
PS2   MHG       232,239
WIU   MH3GHD    195,213

Combining all releases, MH3G is the 3rd best selling MH game in Japan. (Didnd't include MHG for Wii in the graph.)

 

[saichi]

^

PSP MHP2G 1,723,187

Shouldn't it be MHP2 instead of MHP2G?

 

[hiska-kun]

Chris1964, where are nest week releases?

 

[electroplankton]

PSP   MHP3    4,801,454
PSP   MHP2G   4,184,675
3DS   MH3G    1,816,336
PSP   MHP2G   1,723,187
PSP   MHP     1,122,604
WII   MH3     1,077,273
PS2   MH2       692,005
PS3   MH3HD     426,086
PS2   MH        288,559
WII   MHG       236,020
PS2   MHG       232,239
WIU   MH3GHD    195,213

Combining all releases, MH3G is the 3rd best selling MH game in Japan. (Didnd't include MHG in the graph.)

And yet someone is still saying MH3G wasn't successful at all... In my opinion, MH3G has been extremely successful. It's the first MH on a platform that didn't come from a MH-centric predecessor (DS hadn't any MH), it's an expansion of one of the least popular titles in the series in recent times. The great thing about that is that it keeps selling well with the budget edition, and that's a pattern that really reminds the PSP.

 

[test_account]

And yet someone is still saying MH3G wasn't successful at all... In my opinion, MH3G has been extremely successful. It's the first MH on a platform that didn't come from a MH-centric predecessor (DS hadn't any MH), it's an expansion of one of the least popular titles in the series in recent times. The great thing about that is that it keeps selling well with the budget edition, and that's a pattern that really reminds the PSP.

Isnt it an expansion of the most popular title as well (MHP3rd)? At least i've seen earlier people mentioning that TriG is the 3rd or 4th version or release of the game.

 

[Thorgal]

Any news about SS and VITA's sales . Japanese Gaffers?

 

[saichi]

Isnt it an expansion of the most popular title as well (MHP3rd)? At least i've seen earlier people mentioning that TriG is the 3rd or 4th version or release of the game.

I think you are mixing MH3 and MHP3. MHTriG is based on MH3.

 

[Kenka]

Bravely Default evolving into a full blown franchise would be cool.

She agrees.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Any news about SS and VITA's sales . Japanese Gaffers?

Apparently pretty good when it comes to SS but we need to wait for dem numbers. Next weeks thread has potential to be amazing

Spoiler

ly terrible

 

[test_account]

I think you are mixing MH3 and MHP3. MHTriG is based on MH3.

No, i do remember seeing people including MHP3rd in this. MH3 only got one release, and i think MHP3rd is based on MH3.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

No, i've seen people including MHP3rd in this. MH3 only got one release, and i think MHP3rd is based on MH3.

MH3 > MHP3 > MHP3HD

MH3 > MH3G > MH3GHD

 

[test_account]

MH3 > MHP3 > MHP3HD

MH3 > MH3G > MH3GHD

Thanks, i guess that is where the comparison came from. I see people talked about it here for example:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503526&page=8 (around post 755 somewhere).

 

[DaBoss]

MH3G is an expansion of MH3 (keeps pretty much everything from MH3) and includes almost all of the monsters made in MHP3rd and some more. It's more of a derivative of MH3 than MHP3rd

 

[cw_sasuke]

MH3G is an expansion of MH3 (keeps pretty much everything from MH3) and includes almost all of the monsters made in MHP3rd and some more. It's more of a derivative of MH3 than MHP3rd

Yup, there are no underwater battles for example in MHP 3rd is a big difference.

 

[electroplankton]

MH3G is based on MH3, not on MH3P, which should be intendend as a new game that of course takes something from MH3 but it's viewed as a brand new entry (no water sections, for example).

Still, MH3G has been extremely successful, and those numbers speak for themselves.

 

[test_account]

MH3G is an expansion of MH3 (keeps pretty much everything from MH3) and includes almost all of the monsters made in MHP3rd and some more. It's more of a derivative of MH3 than MHP3rd

Thanks for the info. I see why people say it is the 3rd version/release of the game then (or the 4th if you count MHP3rdHD for PS3), since it includes both stuff from MH3 and MHP3rd, combining that stuff into another game (TriG).

I think this shows how popular Monster Hunter is in Japan, if something that can be concidered as a 3rd version of a game can sell around 2 million copies

MH3G is based on MH3, not on MH3P, which should be intendend as a new game that of course takes something from MH3 but it's viewed as a brand new entry (no water sections, for example).

Still, MH3G has been extremely successful, and those numbers speak for themselves.

Sure, it is very successful, i was just wondering about what people saying that it was the 3rd version of the game, since i remember hearing about that earlier, which would include it being based on MHP3rd as well (as DaBoss mentioned, TriG has much stuff from MHP3rd in it).


EDIT: I see that my initial question might not have been worded the best. I didnt mean that TriG necessarily was based directly of MHP3rd, i only asked since i remember hearing some relationship between TriG and MHP3rd

 

[StreetsAhead]

I don't doubt the 3DS will be very well supported.

My main question is volume of titles as opposed to the impact of those that exist.

Nintendo basically has tons of giant flagship franchises from first and third party on the platform, but I guess my question can be summed up as "Has the same polarization that's effected console gaming the West notably impacted the 3DS in Japan, causing a reduction of titles in favor of only making a company's biggest handheld titles on the platform, while reallocating most resources that made smaller handheld titles elsewhere?"

Square Enix is kind of an interesting case study since they had a large volume of handheld titles relative to many other publishers, but it seems to be shrinking. Is that a reality, or a factor of announcement timing? I think it's an open question, but one that's slowly becoming less open.

I know this is kind of old, but I honestly do think that the biggest factor is simply the shift to mobile development. Not only has it meant reallocated development resources, but the types of smaller games and remakes from the DS have seemingly shifted there (or eventually get ported, see Rhythm Thief, for example). The other factor is cost perception. Some of those smaller titles may not be perceived by consumers as worth the price anymore. Or, publishers may think people won't think those games are worth the same amount of money, anyway.

That being said things like Bravely Default (and it's sequel), Hometown Story, Fantasy Life, Kaio: King of Pirates, Fantasy Life, and Youkai Watch show that some publishers are still willing and interested in trying out new franchises on the system.

 

[electroplankton]

Sure, it is very successful, i was just wondering about what people saying that it was the 3rd version of the game, since i remember hearing about that earlier, which would include it being based on MHP3rd as well (as DaBoss mentioned, TriG has much stuff from MHP3rd in it).

Having monsters from MHP3 doesn't mean it's based on MHP3. DQM Terry's Wonderland has monsters from Joker, but it's not based on Joker.

 

[test_account]

Having monsters from MHP3 doesn't mean it's based on MHP3. DQM Terry's Wonderland has monsters from Joker, but it's not based on Joker.

I did an edit in my previous post. I see that my initial question might not have been worded the best. I didnt mean that TriG necessarily was based directly of MHP3rd, i only asked since if it was based on MHP3rd as well because i remember hearing some relationship between TriG and MHP3rd

 

[electroplankton]

I did an edit in my previous post. I see that my initial question might not have been worded the best. I didnt mean that TriG necessarily was based directly of MHP3rd, i only asked since if it was based on MHP3rd as well because i remember hearing some relationship between TriG and MHP3rd

Having some MHP3 monsters doesn't mean "it's also based on MHP3". They're two different games. MH3G is based on MH3. It has monsters from other entries as well, but it's not based on them.

I know this is kind of old, but I honestly do think that the biggest factor is simply the shift to mobile development. Not only has it meant reallocated development resources, but the types of smaller games and remakes from the DS have seemingly shifted there (or eventually get ported, see Rhythm Thief, for example). The other factor is cost perception. Some of those smaller titles may not be perceived by consumers as worth the price anymore. Or, publishers may think people won't think those games are worth the same amount of money, anyway.

True. Square Enix published on DS games like Yosumin, Densha de Go, Lufia remake, Sigma Harmonics, etc. that today would likely be either eShop titles or iOS titles.