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[wsippel]

Then its a terrible design but explains why they haven't made it better. Its like rebooting the console anything you do anything.

At this point it wouldn't surprised me at all.

It's actually not terrible at all - it's efficient.

 

[dallow_bg]

Excuse my ignorance, but the entire process took a bit more than a minute to complete. I mean, this justifies outrage and shock? Have we gotten so fucking entitled and impatient? Are people installing that many games that this is actually an issue? It's like 1:20 total time. How do you get through other aspects of life that require infinitely more patience?

Because it was a 36mb nes game.
Now imagine a retail download. Or don't imagine, there are stories here and video of that I'm sure.

 

[GulAtiCa]

I could deal with the slowness fine, if it wasn't for the damn hard locks! It's not a game bug, but a system bug dealing with communications (as far as I can tell). I hope they fix that above all...

 

[teh_pwn]

That's pretty horrible. Windows 95 with a pentium 2 could install 40 MB msis faster than that.

They should have used modified Linux rather than trying to reinvent the OS.

 

[Baconsammy]

Why do you have to install at all if you downloaded it?

Does Microsoft have a patent on downloading the installed game for consoles? I don't know why Nintendo would look at how Microsoft does it and how Sony does it, and copy the inferior way.

 

[GulAtiCa]

Not in my experience. The disc drive is fast enough that it isn't necessary.

Actually, from my tests of retail vs digital with ZombiU, it got 20% faster during the loading screens.

 

[adamsappel]

Excuse my ignorance, but the entire process took a bit more than a minute to complete. I mean, this justifies outrage and shock? Have we gotten so fucking entitled and impatient? Are people installing that many games that this is actually an issue? It's like 1:20 total time. How do you get through other aspects of life that require infinitely more patience?

It's a 36 megabyte game. It should install in a blink. I don't know if a WiiU game takes extrapolationally longer, but then again I can't understand how LEGO City Undercover is a 19GB download.

 

[Slayven]

Does Microsoft have a patent on downloading the installed game for consoles? I don't know why Nintendo would look at how Microsoft does it and how Sony does it, and copy the inferior way.

Microsoft must have, cause that is the only reason this would make sense. I rather be knocked out of multiplayer while it is downloading/installing then have to wait while it downloads then install.

 

[Baconsammy]

It's a 36 megabyte game. It should install in a blink. I don't know if a WiiU game takes extrapolationally longer, but then again I can't understand how LEGO City Undercover is a 19GB download.

NSMBU is about 2 gig in size and required 20-30 minutes to install. That's just insane.

 

[Artemisia]

The 3DS OS is quite sluggish as well.

 

[wsippel]

That's pretty horrible. Windows 95 with a pentium 2 could install 40 MB msis faster than that.

They should have used modified Linux rather than trying to reinvent the OS.

What is "installing"? If it's just copying? Sure. If it's deflating an uncompressed archive? Yes. If it's anything more than that? Maybe. Maybe not. Installing a 3MB security update on my Macbook Air, with SSD and all, can take up to five minutes. There is no "installing X MB on system Y takes Z seconds" rule. What archive format is used? What kind and level of compression? Encryption? How many files does the archive contain, and does the installer verify checksums of each file? Are there any pre or post install scripts, and what do they do?

Don't get me wrong, installing shit on Wii U certainly is slow. Too slow, from the perspective of a user. But there might be technical reasons, and "but it takes so and so long on some other system" isn't helping the discussion, because we have no idea what either system actually does.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Y'know, things load.

 

[TedNindo]

I don't think it matters what it is more than the fact that it is not a $350 gaming experience in 2013.

Hell, 360 was more optimized at launch and was around the same price range.

Add to that that the 360 had an OS built by microsoft. A company that has zero experience making operating systems.

 

[kirby_fox]

It's only annoying when I want to switch from Netflix to a game back to Netflix. Trine 2 install took forever.

But it's a great way to stay in shape if you do jumping jacks or pushups during your wait time!

 

[shinobi602]

Y'know, things load.

There is 1GB RAM dedicated solely to the OS. These load times are inexcusable.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

There is 1GB RAM dedicated solely to the OS. These load times are inexcusable.

I was being sarcastic. As an SSD owner this makes me weep.

 

[artist]

That's also a video from November.

Unless you are providing a datapoint (a counter video for example with the latest update), that's irrelevant.

 

[wsippel]

There is 1GB RAM dedicated solely to the OS. These load times are inexcusable.

Right. Though neither the time it takes to install software nor run the settings app (which isn't part of the OS) have anything to do with that.

 

[Karsticles]

Unless you are providing a datapoint (a counter video for example with the latest update), that's irrelevant.

Considering that the system has had multiple OS updates, and Wii U owners universally agree that it's much better now, no, it's not.

 

[Subaru]

WHen I download anything at Wii U I always choose the option "Turn off the console after downloading", that downloads AND install the game that I've bought it. So, I never saw these big installation times.

But yes, it's sux. PS3 have atrocious installing times too.

 

[artist]

Considering that the system has had multiple OS updates, and Wii U owners universally agree that it's much better now, no, it's not.

Again irrelevant if you cant provide an actual counter. (it's better now, by how much?)

 

[Morokh]

Download times just seem inconsistent.

I downloaded the ZombiU demo which is pretty much 1,5 gig in around 15 min, while the Zen Pinball Demo took more than 20 minutes.

Otherwise the day 1 update was done in roughly 5 minutes and so was the MH3U one.

 

[gamma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXDq3b4QpcQ

this is the slowness people are complaining about.

The irony is that I can't seem to watch that video because YouTube is loading so slowly.

 

[AzaK]

I noticed in a thread last week that had some pictures of Sim City and people were shocked at how small the cities were. Obviously everyone in the official threads knew, but if you weren't actually looking for Sim City info you may not have actually stumbled upon a picture.

With that in mind I made a video last night of how long it takes to install Punch Out!, a 36mb game. If you haven't seen how slow the Wii U OS is you're in for a shocking treat.


http://youtu.be/RqlHIslONT4


I really dig my wii u but nintendo needs to fix this crap. And with reports of how slow the processor is I'm not sure how much they actually can :/


Edit: This is even better:

I just stared at the screen, open jawed when I installed and had to wait for punchout to install. At 36 MB I'd expect no more than 2-3 seconds really. The Wii U install process is terrible and I have no idea if they can fix it. If its hardware related, as in something like slow flash RAM then we're buggered.If its a software issue then it's just terrible engineering. Either way it's not acceptable.

 

[Criminal Upper]

Um, why make this thread now when Nintendo already announced a fix for this is coming in the Spring?

And what does this have to do with Sim City?

 

[Epcott]

That's also a video from November.


It took me 1 minute and 30 seconds (stopwatch'd) to do all of the following:
1) Confirm my system's date and time change.
2) Exit to the main screen.
3) Boot up Monster Hunter 3U.
4) Download an update to Monster Hunter 3U.
5) Install an update for Monster Hunter 3U.
6) Reboot Monster Hunter 3U.
7) Hit "New Game".

The slow OS is really exaggerated, and people should stop posting videos from around the system's launch to make it look like there's still a problem. The OS isn't lightning speed, but if someone can't handle all of the stuff I listed above taking a minute and a half, I think the problem is more with that person's patience than the system.

*sigh of relief*

Also, by Wii game I actually mean not a Wii U game. I know it switches to Wii OS for original Wii software and the shop. I'm wondering if the load time to transition to Wii OS takes a long time.

 

[Emitan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXDq3b4QpcQ

this is the slowness people are complaining about.

I can't believe a shitty video I recorded on my cellphone on launch day is still getting comments daily haha

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Um, why make this thread now when Nintendo already announced a fix for this is coming in the Spring?

I'll believe it when I see it. Even if it does get sped up, I'm curious to see what Nintendo's idea of an acceptable speed is.

 

[pixlexic]

Why do you have to install at all if you downloaded it?

same reason you have to on the ps3. Which I explained earlier.

but to better visualize it.

A = program one data
B = program two data
C= program three data

this is a windows formated disk.

data on disk:
AAABBBB CCBB AAAACCCCCBBBAABBB CCBBBCCCC

Which can become fragmented and slow if getting full but is faster others wise.


PS3 and Wiiu do not use a windows file system. They use a strict system of headers and tight data alignment.

ps3 /wii data on disk

headers: | data:
AABBCC | AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCC


if not properly set up correctly then a lot of stuff has to be moved around to install an application. Its even worse if you are only using one storage device. Think of it as having to run defrag before each install.

But in this case you usually try to pre set enough space for a lot of files where you think you think you would need them.

headers: | data:
AABBCC <- extra space for future installs-> | AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCC


But if you only have so much space to begin with then you can not do this preemptive space caching very much.

 

[KingSnake]

Installing the NFSMWU took me 15 minutes. And it has 6 GB, which is way more than 7 times 36MB, so it depends on what is behind the "installing".
Hopefully the April update will help the people without patience.

 

[Agent X]

It's a 36mb file. Why is it taking longer than under one second to install?

Besides the problems with slowness, I'm wondering why this game is 36 MB in size to begin with. Isn't this the NES game?

 

[shinobi602]

Hopefully the April update will help the people who expect quality from an OS in 2013.

Fixed.

 

[pixlexic]

Besides the problems with slowness, I'm wondering why this game is 36 MB in size to begin with. Isn't this the NES game?

its wrapped in its own emulator and wiiu functionality.

 

[Skyzard]

If any console really needed the standby feature that Sony is implementing with the PS4, it's the Wii U, especially with the off-tv play. Damn I definitely don't have this much patience for games. It's half the reason I stopped playing my home consoles and went Vita only.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

same reason you have to on the ps3. Which I explained earlier.

but to better visualize it.

A = program one data
B = program two data
C= program three data

this is a windows formated disk.

data on disk:
AAABBBB CCBB AAAACCCCCBBBAABBB CCBBBCCCC

Which can become fragmented and slow if getting full but is faster others wise.


PS3 and Wiiu do not use a windows file system. They use a strict system of headers and tight data alignment.

ps3 /wii data on disk

headers: | data:
AABBCC | AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCC


if not properly set up correctly then a lot of stuff has to be moved around to install an application. Its even worse if you are only using one storage device. Think of it as having to run defrag before each install.

But in this case you usually try to pre set enough space for a lot of files where you think you think you would need them.

headers: | data:
AABBCC <- extra space for future installs-> | AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCC


But if you only have so much space to begin with then you can not do this preemptive space caching very much.

But that doesn't explain why Sony and now Nintendo decided to go with such an archaic file system. Hell, 'archaic' isn't even the word - the FAT file system, which solved this problem, was invented back in 1977.

 

[KingSnake]

Fixed.

Should I beg the friends from b3d forum for some confirmation for that?

 

[scitek]

I agree. It took me 3 hours to download Monster Hunter on my 50mb cable (5gb - would take me about 18 minutes on steam) and then it took 38 minutes to install.

I can't believe you guys are buying digitally on Nintendo's systems. Getting them back if your system dies is a needless pain.

 

[pixlexic]

I can't believe you guys are buying digitally on Nintendo's systems. Getting them back if your system dies is a needless pain.

We are hoping that what they said about changing to an account based service happens sooner than later.

Edit: also wanted ot add i just download ballon fight and it installed in about 2 secs. but I also have a external drive.

 

[big black woman]

I don't mind the slowness much, but why the hell do I have to tell it to install? Why would I dl something I didn't want to install. It should just do it automatically, or at least have the option.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Um, why make this thread now when Nintendo already announced a fix for this is coming in the Spring?

And what does this have to do with Sim City?

It's going to be a blast when people realize that's is impossible to simply "fix" this issue without rewriting the entire OS.

 

[RedSwirl]

Does Microsoft have a patent on downloading the installed game for consoles? I don't know why Nintendo would look at how Microsoft does it and how Sony does it, and copy the inferior way.

I don't think so, iOS does it as well. Actually, on Xbox and iOS the apps still have to install, it's just that the OS does it for you and includes that step along with downloading as part of the same progress bar.

Shit, the 3DS does this. You don't have to tap "install" when you download a 3DS game, I think it just automatically installs once it's done downloading and then appears on the front menu.

 

[solarus]

How can any one say this OS is better than PS3/360 with a straight face?

Those videos are horrifying.

Many of those people have never used those systems and have only experienced the wii this generation, they are talking out of their asses.

 

[zroid]

April performance update... Nintnedo pls

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Many of those people have never used those systems and have only experienced the wii this generation, they are talking out of their asses.

As on owner of all three, I've always hated Microsoft's cluttered Xbominations, though it's definitely the quickest of the three at this point. Downloads & installs in particular are just miles faster than the slow PS3 and slower Wii U equivalents.

I'm fond of Sony's XMB, though loading up anything browser based is torturous and the revamped store defeats Wii U in terms of painfully slow irritation.

I like the Wii U OS in terms of functionality and, for the most part, design, but I cannot argue that it's FAR too slow overall. There's just no doubt about it. I do like the e-Shop, although I've heard that the US version is inferior to the European equivalent in terms of layout. Was that ever fixed?

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Ok, im off to work. I just wanted to raise 3 flame shields for while i'm gone.



1. I am a nintendo fan. I have a Wii U, for chrisssssssake!


2. I know that installs aren't the only thing people complain about. I just figured that 2 minutes for 36MB was absurd so it's what i filmed.


3. I talk slow at the beginning for comedic effect (someone on youtube, of all places, got that) but the quivering is just my natural bullshit voice.



Ok, have at me. But seriously, Nintendo, fix this.


Edit: Updated the OP with the better video as well.

I agree. Fix it. Make it easier to turn off the gamepad or background downloads (either or). I wish someone came up with a snappy way to buy a disc and install it w/o needing to keep the disc in. Would solve a lot of problems with DD. Get a cheap disc because gamespot really wants you to come buy, then sell later, get rid of the need to swap a disc/lose a disc/scratch a disc.

 

[Agent X]

its wrapped in its own emulator and wiiu functionality.

I figured as much, but even taking that into consideration, that's still a very large file size.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What if this isn't an OS in the traditional sense that you and I consider an OS? What if, for security reasons, the *entire* thing reloads from a hypervisor of sorts for every non-social persistent function (i.e. MiiVerse and the web browser would count as an always-running function - the "OS" would not) function as a piracy prevention method? What if installing software creates a virtual machine of sorts for every piece of software to continue along those lines?

Then I would say that their paranoid approach to security is biting them in the ass causing a systems that, taking an use POV, feels sluggish to use.

It could be that the system was rushed, it could be a novel, untested, technically incredible new approach which takes a long time to get it right and fast, etc... etc... but it hardly matters to end users. What they experience in 2013 is a sluggish experience.

It feels like it takes ages to do just about anything including "quickly" accessing Miiverse from the main menu or from a game and then returning to what you were doing before. Result? I tend not to use those features as much as I would want to.

 

[Persona86]

It could be a lot better, hopefully Nintendo updates it or something. But it honestly wouldn't bother me that much. I'm in it for the actual games more than UI.

 

[jeffers]

just bought it and timed the install, mine was ~27 seconds.

 

[H_Prestige]

What if this isn't an OS in the traditional sense that you and I consider an OS? What if, for security reasons, the *entire* thing reloads from a hypervisor of sorts for every non-social persistent function (i.e. MiiVerse and the web browser would count as an always-running function - the "OS" would not) function as a piracy prevention method? What if installing software creates a virtual machine of sorts for every piece of software to continue along those lines?

What if none of that matters to the end user and Nintendo screwed up another thing about this joke of a system?