legacyzero
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Hell yeah, I'd party with Notch.
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Fabricated Notch/Mojang party escort allegations; Twitter monsters spring into action
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Agreed, this thread is great for laughs, I shouldn't have started reading it before bed.
If you were at a private party that was put on by mostly females, would you really be offended if there attractive males being paid to go around entertaining the women there? C'mon.
This is an example of political correctness going overboard.
I kinda agree. I think booth babes are a far bigger factor that might keep women from the industry then some allegedly payed women who were there to dance and socialize.
illmatic19
Member
Who gets invited to these VIP parties anyway?
It's a non story, even if there were hired dancers, being paid to dance and talk in a club is a non story.
Steve Youngblood
Member
To take it to an extreme, I guess I could see feeling kind of out of place if I was trying to make actual conversation with attendees, but everyone was more interested in conversing with the people who are paid based on their ability to know how to party and be good looking. From that perspective, I can see why female attendees might theoretically be put off by the reverse. Of course, it's not clear that this is what happened at all. Therefore, I can't really jump on board with any indignation here barring more facts.
Calamari41
41 > 38
But wouldn't that apply to males as well? Perhaps even moreso?
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Chip N Chance
Member
This thread is getting loco.
Is anyone els bothered by the fact that the train track loop switches sides towards the end of the clip?
Steve Youngblood
Member
That they would feel excluded because attendees that they want to talk to are more interested in flirting with the dancers paid to be there? Yeah, that could also be true. But I think in that case, I just feel like the case for justified complaining versus it just being me whining would be harder to make, as I generally don't like being offended for women in as much as I favor empathizing with people who I think might have a legitimate reason to be offended.
That is what happens with witch hunts.
What're we gunna do with all these torches though?
It's more that it's a fast-moving thread and any link to important responses gets bumped down fast. They should be added to the OP.
The paid women could easily be conversing with the attendee women, too. Its not like there's some specific divide that they have to keep where they're only there to talk to men. I was at a strip club last Thursday night with a few friends and the strippers that would come and talk to us were just as chummy and inclusive with the girl we were with as they were with us guys.
Punkster_NY
Member
and people have an issue with this why?
Steve Youngblood
Member
Sure. I was more just taking a devil's advocate stance there in assessing how a similar situation might be uncomfortable as opposed to futilely arguing that this situation was.
Yes? I mean I wouldn't go at all, would you feel wanted, would you go?
But then why only pay for women? If it's just talking it shouldn't matter what gender the models are.
I've worked for / consulted for companies that were predominantly female (Conde Nast, Ann Taylor, some smaller companies in fashion/design). If they threw a party like that (and they don't), it would be creepy as hell. Tech / IT (the only departments that had more than a handful of men) already feel like these weird little enclaves, doing something along these lines would only have ostracized us further.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I linked this in the IGDA thread, but I'll link it here too. In advance, I just want to establish that I'm not trying to argue any particular point in linking it, but I do think the article is interesting. It's about a guy crashing a ladies' night event thrown by Nintendo.
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/01/136832/
Luminous_Reaver
Neo Member
I would wonder why they needed to be paid.
You guys are right, this is grossly sexist. Those women shouldn't have been paid anything considering they were corralled to go to a free party.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Well, are you equal opportunist?
I can't really agree with deciding what jobs are "worthwhile" or not. Being paid to stand around and talk, and dance a bit, has nothing on other jobs where there is actually a physical/mental downside - such as heavy labour or prostitution.
we.are.the.armada
Member
This thread is incredible!
So a guy throws his own party, with his own atmosphere etc. and supposedly somebody else hired models there. They implanted atmosphere models at his party!?
1. What a condescending and generic thing to say. There is no way that you can prove this is true. Is this revealing your preconception that you think these women are stupid? Nobody will take that argument seriously.
2. Wrong. You vilify society's vision while you state your own vision for them: getting a degree, "real" career. Sanctimonious and pontificating in the same sentence. Show some respect to these women.
3. Very interesting choice of words here. Just who thinks they are slutty/stupid, hmmm?
4. So would it be okay if it weren't sexual?
So a guy throws his own party, with his own atmosphere etc. and supposedly somebody else hired models there. They implanted atmosphere models at his party!?
Misguided said:
1. What a condescending and generic thing to say. There is no way that you can prove this is true. Is this revealing your preconception that you think these women are stupid? Nobody will take that argument seriously.
2. Wrong. You vilify society's vision while you state your own vision for them: getting a degree, "real" career. Sanctimonious and pontificating in the same sentence. Show some respect to these women.
3. Very interesting choice of words here. Just who thinks they are slutty/stupid, hmmm?
4. So would it be okay if it weren't sexual?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm not sure if you're being serious, but I think it is worth noting that there can be real skill here on display in more ways than simply being good looking. Being able to mingle and make interesting conversation and dance well and be flirtatious and not just sticking with particular people or groups probably isn't something to sneeze at. Just bringing in attractive people that like to party off the street may not yield the results that the organizers are going for.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
That sounds like something a witch would say.
So someone actually jumped the gun and declared all the semi-attractive women at the party the hired help? Who is the real sexist here?
LMAO
Its a party full of women. You'd have to have some pretty bad insecurity issues not to go. Its not like we're talking Chip'n'Dale dancers or anything.
Because its a predominantly male audience? Catering to the crowd, as they say.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I would to if it was my friend lol
How is that catering to the crowd? I thought it was just talking? Are you saying men are incapable of speaking to other men?
What's being claimed? I haven't seen anything.
dorkimoe
Member
how are they escorts?
I hope nobody breaks it to you that college bars only hire pretty girls to waitress. Same thing, hired for looks
The elite +1
Were there absolutely no women on the guest list and if there were was there some way that was differentiating the escorts and the guests?
Thing I always find dangerous about these "lets hire a bunch of escorts" kinds of parties is the sleazy groupthink that sometimes leads to stuff like the Stubenville case or that one Lacrosse rape case.
Thing I always find dangerous about these "lets hire a bunch of escorts" kinds of parties is the sleazy groupthink that sometimes leads to stuff like the Stubenville case or that one Lacrosse rape case.
Fried Food
Banned
they are women that choose to do stuff like this for a living
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Game hobbyists are currently in their university stage of life, trying to get outraged every chance they get about issues that don't effect them.
Well, Terry Kavanagh seemed very sure about it, but maybe he was relating second hand info.
Nick Robinson says after the party he stumbled into a room backstage with about 20 women waiting to leave. He initially said 'women paid to be there'. He later said he wasn't sure if they worked for the venue or had been brought in, but that he believes they were the women mingling in the VIP area.
Another twitterer seems to suggest women were being sneaked into the VIP area.
The PC White Knights are on a holy crusade against our kind of filth
If I showed up to a party with hired dancers my reaction wouldn't be outrage, I'll tell you that
Steve Youngblood
Member
I know this is more of a rhetorical question. But personally, I'm not really a fan in theory of what I feel to be a forced interaction. I feel the same way about celebrity interaction in that it's hard for me to shake my innate cynicism and feeling bad for them that they are basically forced to pretend to want to talk to me.
Having said that, though, I would be lying if I acted as though I've never had an absolutely pleasant conversation with an attractive waitress or bartender, so I'm not condemning the efficacy of what they do or why attractive, personable people are hired.
If I was a game developer going to Notch's GDC party, I would expect to go there to unwind and talk shop with like-minded compatriots. I would find the presence of women with no clue about game development paid to talk and flirt with me strange and slightly off-putting. Maybe I'm in the minority on this, given how popular booth babes still are in this day and age.
What is that desired effect?
Not for the sake of it. I talk to attractive women all the time, so it depends on what they're saying / what we're talking about. If I were in an industry event or a corporate party I would find it tedious to be surrounded by people who didn't belong there except as eye (ear?) candy. Although I'm not so insecure about myself or my sexuality that I need people to be forced to hang around me.
Edit: a private party is a different matter however; I was directly speaking about corporations / businesses throwing parties for their employees.
finalboss2
Member
lol @ this. i live in new orleans, and all of the girls i knew in college were shotgirls at least once in their life because you make an absurd amount of money in like 3 hours of work. no, they weren't abused by their parents, or beaten, or did massive amounts of drugs......they just took advantage of the oppurtunity. but clearly, GAF and these idiots on twitter should throw a fucking fit and yell at them and the people who bought shots from them.