I never claimed otherwise.
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Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2013 (Mar 18 - Mar 24)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Perspective is important. Even in the GC generation where things were horrible for Nintendo, the Top10 GC software titles (which coincidentally are all the >500k titles there are lol) were ALL Nintendo titles. Smash Brothers DX sold over a million, Mario Party 4 sold 900k, Mario Kart DD sold over 800k, Sunshine and Wind Waker both sold over 750k, Mario Party 5 and Pokemon Colosseum both sold over 650k, Animal Crossing+ did over 600k, Mario Party 6 and Pikmin did over 500k.
That's 6 IPs over 500k. Even as a failure, the GC showed that Nintendo has a range of titles which can sell well.
Well crash was much closer in terms of gameplay and aesthetic to the traditional platformers that Japan might enjoy. One can't really disagree that after ND lost the franchise it went to shit.
Although to be fair ND had trouble finding sales success with J&D and only really made a comeback with Uncharted (though not so much in Japan).
Re SCEJ, I think it's pretty clear how bad they are when one sees that it until SS to actually a 100k new IP on a portable device. They are good at creating links with other Japanese developers and maybe they should concentrate on that?
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Well the good news is, out of the Top10 titles for Vita, four of them are SCE titles!!!Loooooool.
Poor PS Vita.
Huh, looking back, Pikmin was a fairly big seller in Japan on the GC.
I see, Sony didn't have enough franchises to begin with. While I agree on the weigth of your argument, I think the fact that they didn't update them frequently enough to keep them fresh in people's minds plays an even bigger role. And yeah, Nintendo never treated its own franchises like shit, also.
And even more importantly, I think Nintendo's style of management in keeping its troops very disciplined and subservient to strict rules à la Evilore helped them avoid internal strives. Thus, the whole production facility was available anywhere, anytime at demand, and docile.
Media Create numbers:
Minna no Golf 5 (original, including bundles) - 461k
Minna no Golf 5 The Best - 201.9k
Minna no Golf 5 The Best (re-release) - 122.7k
Total - 785k
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Demon's Souls - 170k
Demon's Souls The Best - 206k
Total - 376k
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Edit: Bonus comparison with Dark Souls which Sony has lost as a franchise:
Dark Souls - 353k
Dark Souls with Artorias of the Abyss Edition - 103k
Total - 456k
michaelius
Banned
HD development happened.
Polyphony made 2 full GT games in PS2 era now they did only one
Team Ico made 2 games for PS2 now 0
ClapHanz output also is lower.
Polyphony made 2 full GT games in PS2 era now they did only one
Team Ico made 2 games for PS2 now 0
ClapHanz output also is lower.
Poor excuse imo. If you look at the successful Japanese franchises Sony had on the PS1, the majority of them don't require strong hardware. Sony just shifted further and further away from that, which meant that they got less and less titles and the remaining titles started to sell less and less. It's not a HD development problem since that was already happening on the PS2. It is a management problem which got worse with which generation.
Team Ico doesn't even factor into this, the two games they made didn't even sell enough to be part of the discussion here, lol.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
No just the Japan side of SCE is incredibly inefficient.
Naughty Dog had 3 games for PS2 to now 4
Sucker Punch had 3 games to now 2.5 (festival of blood)
Sony Santa Monica had 2 to now 2 as well as a lot of contribution to other games
There are probably more I am missing but you get my point.
HD development doesn't make a massive difference when there's a lack of interest in their titles in the first place. Sony are awful in Japan
Opus Angelorum
Member
Two minutes late! I need them numbers.
The numbers are an hour away. Is there some timezone switch over in the west?
Good ! This has certainly played a major role in the reception of the respective first party titles: Sony and Nintendo were playing with different cards with Sony being unfavoured due to longer development cycles.
Yes...
Aha, the clocks changed here
Opus Angelorum
Member
i seriously thought it was a world wide thing... where didn't the clock change?
GhostTrick
Banned
Aha, the clocks changed here
Ah shit... you're in France too ? I thought it was time for the numbers, but I forgot we added 1 hour...
Clocks went forward an hour on Sunday here in the UK.
Daylight savings or any of that shit doesn't exist in Asia. It always confuses me when it happens in Europe and America when talking to friends.
UK. And I'm at the doctors in an hours, I won't see them numbers for a few hours;(
Opus Angelorum
Member
Cancel your appointment, this shit is serious.
GhostTrick
Banned
Daylight savings or any of that shit doesn't exist in Asia. It always confuses me when it happens in Europe and America when talking to friends.
This hour thing is bullshit. Why does it exist ?!
Yeah. The worst thing is that this gen they had one platform with a huge userbase where plenty of third parties have found success (psp) and they didn't or couldn't take advantage of it.
I know! I just had the quickest shower ever racing back to refresh this page
Opus Angelorum
Member
I know! I just had the quickest shower ever racing back to refresh this page
You get showered before the number reveal? You do take it seriously.
*high five*
Lol, I might need to after with the impending Game & Wario fail!
Canis lupus
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
where do you get the ps1 numbers from? I can't find them anywhere. Sony really let itself go in Japan. Ratchet and Clank had a severe decline form 270k in average to 40k. Crash was a big hit in Japan but now it does not belong to Sony anymore. I have confidence that GT will go back to being a million seller if the PS4 does well and Hot shots too. I guess the best plan for SCEJ is to create platformers (Knack is a start) and JRPG's if they want to be seen as a publisher in Japan.
DragonSworne
Banned
Dude, daylight savings time was 2-3 weeks ago. Atleast it was for the east coast and central area of USA...
In France it was the 30th march.
For us Yurop folk it happend last saturday/sunday
This site maintains a record of the best selling games for each platform and also some franchises. It's very useful for historical data. Regularly updated too. I *think* the guy uses Famitsu data. Either way, he doesn't want people posting the numbers in other places wholesale, so I just round them off.
There have a couple of anecdotal indications that it's mostly sold out everywhere, so it should be pretty good.
We need them digital sales, Nintendo.
It's outselling Animal Crossing (since its [LM obviously] release) the Zelda Oracles and Shaun the £$#%¥ Sheep!
And it's Tomodachi Direct day isn't it? Damn doctors
Edit: http://youtu.be/UMbLklpMxNE
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Amazing if only I could read Japanese
Its crazy how some of the games sold on ps1. I mean parasite eve a million seller crazy.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Google translate works pretty well with GDR.Amazing if only I could read Japanese
Its crazy how some of the games sold on ps1. I mean parasite eve a million seller crazy.
I still miss Japan Game Charts though. And Shrine of Data before that. NPD even got the web archives of SOD killed a couple years back.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Google translate works pretty well with GDR.
I still miss Japan Game Charts though. And Shrine of Data before that. NPD even got the web archives of SOD killed a couple years back.
Shit their onto us.
catashtrophe
Member
Does anyone actually know what happened with Clap Handz and its terrible PS3 support?
Why did Sony/Clap Handz not release more Golf games or any Tennis/other sports games for the PS3?
I dont get it
Why did Sony/Clap Handz not release more Golf games or any Tennis/other sports games for the PS3?
I dont get it
Bruno MB
Member
Oh, that's nice, this new format is very informative. Now we can make a quite accurate estimate on shipment sales for every game. Before the gap was too big to have a good estimate (0% - 50%, 51% - 75% and 76% - 100%).
Well, they released two games already for the PS3, Minna 4 and 5 (even though this was a vita port).
hmm, what's wrong with this statement?