Off-Kilter
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What kind of question is that?
Yes, I actually played it. And no I did not finish it. What does it matter?
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Fez's dev to japanese developers: "your games just suck"
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Yes, I actually played it. And no I did not finish it. What does it matter?
SirNinja
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If you take a bite or two from some food you haven't tasted before, and it tastes horrible, you don't need to finish the entire thing to say that it sucks.
Doesn't help that the chef spit on the utensils beforehand.
Riposte
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That depends how much you like your amateurish platformer game turning into a puzzle (sort of) game that takes on the style of an obtuse ARG.
IrishNinja
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why did this get bumped? he already walked this one back, if there's anything to bust his balls on it's the patch not happening (i'm okay with busting MS' balls here too)
so right, he had to go back & clarify with caveats and apologize
Grow up and learn that your one sale isn't very important. Things operate on a much larger scale than that.
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okay, see this is being the right kind've asshole
so right, he had to go back & clarify with caveats and apologize
Grow up and learn that your one sale isn't very important. Things operate on a much larger scale than that.
i don't follow his twitter but if this has still gotten to him on there, that's kinda sad though...his role in indie game movie made me a bit more sympathetic, even if he does this stuff to himself
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okay, see this is being the right kind've asshole
i like it a lot, actually
Enough of those "one sales" add up.
I'm not. He might actually spend a little time reflecting on all this and come away learning something. You know, like, "Being a public douchenozzle's probably not very smart, and I really ought to stop doing it."
Whether or not he's capable of making something awesome is irrelevant. "Making something awesome" doesn't - and shouldn't - excuse someone for being a dick. I could have it on good authority that Fez was the greatest platformer ever made, and I still wouldn't buy it. As long as Phil Fish is determined to be an asshole, I don't want to contribute to his financial well-being, no matter how minor a contribution it is in the greater scheme of things.
I turned around on Phil Fish having played Fez. Guy says some harsh and stupid stuff from time to time, but he's also smart and passionate. He's then caught in a loop of douchery because people keep attacking him for a poorly phrased blanket statement. Fez is a brilliant and refreshing game in many ways and very much an ode to the old school of design that owes a lot to the Japanese legacy of videogames.
Then, you mustn't forget that Fez is not just his game but also Renaud Bedard's and not to play it because of something Phil said isn't fair to all the work Renaud put in, which must have been tremendous. Plus all the time he spent coping with Phil can't be taken lightly either ;o
You may not like or agree with Phil, but not to play Fez because of his involvement is as much of a disrespectful blanket statement as saying all Japanese games are bad.
Then, you mustn't forget that Fez is not just his game but also Renaud Bedard's and not to play it because of something Phil said isn't fair to all the work Renaud put in, which must have been tremendous. Plus all the time he spent coping with Phil can't be taken lightly either ;o
You may not like or agree with Phil, but not to play Fez because of his involvement is as much of a disrespectful blanket statement as saying all Japanese games are bad.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I have a limited amount of time to play games. Many factors go into what games I decide to purchase. The creator being a dick would be one of the factors against.
I'll be sure to play it if it ever ends up on an indie bundle and you can channel the price you pay elsewhere.
No it isn't.
Not playing Fez because you dislike Phil Fish sends the message "There are things that I consider more important than how good a video game might potentially be, and conducting oneself with a measure of courtesy and basic human politeness in a professional setting is one of those things". That's hardly impolite or unreasonable.
I mean, I sincerely hope that there are things that everyone considers more important than "Is this a good video game?" - even if a developer having a consistent track record of being rude isn't one of them.
Self_Destructive
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We've probably all been more of an asshole about something or other on the internet than Phil has ever been with his remarks..but he get's blasted cause he's in the spotlight. I honestly don't care what he says as long as he makes good games I'll buy them.
Missing out on great games because you don't like someone on the dev team is stupid.
"PC's are for spreadsheets" is not a valid reason to not play a great game that just came out on PC. But if you're gonna let that stop you then...
Missing out on great games because you don't like someone on the dev team is stupid.
"PC's are for spreadsheets" is not a valid reason to not play a great game that just came out on PC. But if you're gonna let that stop you then...
Haunted
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In the end, that's your prerogative, but also your loss.
It's quite excellent.
PairOfFilthySocks
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And somehow that equates to all Japanese games sucking? Mmmkay.
I'm rather curious to know just how many Japanese-developed games the people agreeing with Fish have played recently.
Alec
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I would like to point out that Mike Tyson beating and raping a woman wasn't enough for us to stop liking Punch-Out. And don't give me that Mr. Dream shit either, we all know it doesn't make a difference to any of us.
If you are not playing Fez because Phil Fish has "been a dick" a couple of times, then you are overreacting.
If you are not playing Fez because Phil Fish has "been a dick" a couple of times, then you are overreacting.
IMO
Petrae
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Fish-gate was my first exposure to him and his game. It was a horrific first impression, especially his nasty Twitter comments (suck/choke). That first impression was enough to turn me off to his game. I won't buy any future games he's associated with, either.
I'm certainly fine if others buy his games. That's individual prerogative. I've heard that Fez is okay. But, on the flip side, there should be an understanding that some people are not going to buy his games, and that's largely attributed to Fish's questionable behavior. That's fine, too.
SuperEpicGuy
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Always hated the guy, but now I have a reason to.
It's not that some people won't play Fez at all, it's just that they now feel that they don't have to support the developer when they play.
ebullientprism
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So before you were hating him without a reason?
Thats still better than most people in this thread though.
Alec
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Oh, I completely understand. My point is that almost everyone (maybe not you, who knows) saying that they aren't going to buy his game based on his behavior is a hypocrite, and that there are more worthier causes to devote one's energy to than making sure Phil Fish knows that he lost a sale with the vitriol demonstrated in this thread.
60_gig_PS3
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then why does Fez look like a wanna-be Cave Story?
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Guys, most of the games on your shelves, and movies and other pieces of entertainment, were made by assholes. But I guess ignorance is bliss in that regard.
Most likely true. It's a question of how public you make your bad behaviour. Mel Gibson, made it very public, and therefore I'm not interested in his movies. Darren Aronofsky, no idea...but I'll assume he isn't an asshole until I see otherwise.
Phil Fish is an asshole, he shamed a poor Japanese developer in front of large numbers of people who was asking a simple question. I'm sorry but that constitutes behaviour worth boycotting for...It goes way beyond saying that Japanese games suck.
Dave Meltzer
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njean777
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And I never said that myself. Most of my favorite games are japanese in fact.
That's great, but when you publicly offend a whole group of people it does matter. I usually don't mind when people say offensive things, but when you are factually wrong about something, and yes opinions can be wrong, then you look like a total idiot. Which Phil does really well.
Now if you truly believe that quote then you shouldn't mind racism, and bigotry. So I hope you think about that image before you post it in the future.
And? They didn't publicly shame a whole group of game developers. They know how to keep their mouths shut and opinions to themselves.
That's kind of funny, considering everything Darren Aronofsky does or says makes him out to be a huge, pretentious fucking asshole.
I can appreciate the internet en masse kind of realized how dumb that quote is.
dacuk
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So, he couldn't expect for people to treat him differently.
pyros
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Worthier causes are also subjective, let people do what they want.
Alec
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I suppose if a person truly believes that boycotting Fez is their worthiest cause, there is probably no such thing as a "rational discussion" with that person.
Man the venom in this thread!
I mean, I try to think of myself as an upbeat and positive guy. I can't imagine how someone can actively hate a person over the Internet.
That being said, I am not offended when people like Kanye or Phil talk shit, so I maybe just don't care enough.
So far, I only played the first hour of Fez and what I saw was stunning.
I mean, I try to think of myself as an upbeat and positive guy. I can't imagine how someone can actively hate a person over the Internet.
That being said, I am not offended when people like Kanye or Phil talk shit, so I maybe just don't care enough.
So far, I only played the first hour of Fez and what I saw was stunning.
ComputerMKII
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I don't mind Phil Fish. If anything, the Internet outrage gives him all the more reason to say 'offensive' things. It's just words anyway. What I care about is his game(s) and unfortunately it isn't very fun. He has talent potential though, so I'm looking forward to playing his next projects.
Would've been a sick burn if I had said anything remotely of that sort. Had I been under such a delusion, I would be one of those people asking "why don't they make another Red Faction Guerrilla or Valkyria Chronicles? I bought those games!"
Oh man, how great is that? Who gets the upper hand in that hypothetical? You for denying Phil Fish a buck (which is still literally probably more than he really would earn personally off your one sale), or he for getting you so riled up that you deny yourself such a wonderful experience?
Alec
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I know you were being serious but I read this in Nico Bellic's voice and it made me giggle.
matt360
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It's not melodramatic at all. Did you even read about what happened? Makoto Goto went to the states on his own dime to try and learn a thing or two about indie games. His English is decent but it's far from perfect. It takes balls to even show up at an event like that, completely on your own, without translators, co-workers, etc., and even more courage to muster up a question during Q&A time. And to get a response like that? Seriously? Half of the room is gasping and the other half is laughing awkwardly. Mr. Goto doesn't really know why, but he was most certainly humiliated. I don't care whether it was a joke or not, but "shame" is an appropriate word to use. A little empathy wouldn't hurt.
Just to add more fuel to the fire.
The biggest RPG franchise for this generation was Mass Effect, not Final Fantasy.
Alec
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ebullientprism
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Yet other people did. On his behalf.
Alec
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On what they think is his behalf, yes.
Makoto constantly retweets and supports Phil and has for quite some time. People sure do know how to carry a pitchfork around here.
flintstryker
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Why not?
Its not like buying a game is our default state of mind and that we must be convinced otherwise, the default state for any consumer should be that they must be convinced to buy a game. and since there's no shortage of desirable games to buy the consumer is free to use whatever barometer he please to determine whether he makes a purchase or not, it is therefore up to the seller to minimize reasons for consumer not wanting to buy their games.
pants
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I dont see Mass Effect out selling Pokemon. Then again I havent paid attention to Pokemon since Pikachu learnt to surf
Alec
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It's safe to assume he wasn't taking handhelds into consideration.
My man.
You sure?
Ah.
I loved that game. I honestly never finished the lost dlc finished everything else though.
Little Green Yoda
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And therein lies the problem of saying Japanese games "suck" or have gone dramatically downhill.
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