BruiserBear
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Yeah. It's called telling a company what you think before they make their final decision. It's not really a new concept.
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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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Yeah. It's called telling a company what you think before they make their final decision. It's not really a new concept.
As mentioned multiple times, it is way more likely for Sony to change anything atm, while MS semi-confirmed these issues at one point. People are not letting go of Sony, and if Sony decides to jump the DRM/UsedGameNoSale ship, they'll be attacked too from the same people that voice their hope now.
scakko84
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Following Jimquisition for quite some time, i really respect the man...
fastballspecial
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Looks like it's time to use Twitter for the first time in a year.
Crimson_Gold
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I've done my part. Been buying PlayStation consoles and games for 15 years. No DRM Sony. Used games are what brought me into the PlayStation family
gundamkyoukai
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If Sony leaves it up to publishers i guess i would have to live with that but at least i can chose who not to buy from .
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If enough gamers vote with their wallets, I am 100% sure that DRM can be toppled before or even after the launch of the consoles. It's just "switch" and any agreements in place can be settled for the greater good I'm sure.
Our biggest fear should be if adoption rates of DRM consoles/games is acceptable after launch just like what happened with DLC...
Our biggest fear should be if adoption rates of DRM consoles/games is acceptable after launch just like what happened with DLC...
The bias is shielding your mind from common sense.
ms got some feedback through Adam Orth situation also but didn't care.
lets see the final decisions of sony. but already its good that no internet is required............
Wrote a little article myself (on a small little danish gamingsite)
http://translate.google.com/transla...ne-og-playstation-4-slut-med-brugte-spil.html
just to promote this and tell people to act (wrote it inbetween normal work, so it might be a bit jibberish and it´s in Danish so-- ;l)
http://translate.google.com/transla...ne-og-playstation-4-slut-med-brugte-spil.html
just to promote this and tell people to act (wrote it inbetween normal work, so it might be a bit jibberish and it´s in Danish so-- ;l)
PC has them for a long time now. Historically that's a given in that platform and they were implemented in a time when piracy was rampant and the platform as a viable gaming platform was struggling. Its openness though makes up for it as there are viable no-DRM options that the user can chose from and retail prices of the games are lower on average compared to their console counterparts and there are frequent aggressive sales on several different outlets. A closed console environment with such intrusive and limited DRM will leave the user with no options, besides implicitly accept them and limit their options.
Orpheus Telos
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I just woke up and the first thing I see when I come here is this thread at the the top of the page. I love you guys.
JimmyRustler
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After Diablo 3 and Sim City you really think that enough gamers will vote with their wallets? See kinda out of place.
we.are.the.armada
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gaming_noob
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This whole mess is because we have the Internet. It's evil I tells ya...
SolidSnakex
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Yeah, this is the best that we can do for now. They need to be bombarded from now until E3 with PS4noDRM. Make it clear that this isn't just some one day issue that's then forgotten. Right now they're seeing this and all the extremely negative articles being directed at MS due to their rumored stance on this issue. That should make it crystal clear how gamers feel about this issue.
Heard his voice through the entire read.
jacksepticeye
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I have no bias towards either, I just found it funny. Just because Sony hasn't said it outright doesn't mean they didn't have similar stuff in place already.
A campaign like this could easily be done for MS too to make them change their minds also.
But all this sounds a bit too naive
Why didn't you start the campaign when MS was rumoured to do it?
JimmyRustler
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What is interesting though is that people fail to mention how irrelevant used games are on PC. Have you ever tried to sell used PC game? I did once try to sell a big pile of my collection. Never again. Makes more sense to just throw them into the garbage.
Have you even read the OP? Just one minute and it'll be clear to you. Nothing naive about it.
scakko84
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This.
Most of the people will first buy it anyway and then (probably, not so sure) complain/be annoyed.
Just buying it is like saying that you agree and think this DRM stuff is legit and should be supported.
jacksepticeye
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Cos I don't care about either. I found it strange that so many flocked towards Sony first instead of MS
simcity was organized and had effect.
after the initial sales due to brand name the sales tanked.
But the important thing is that EA was quick to say that the next Sims wont require always online! so i think if its organized you can make a difference....
as for diablo,well those that paid for it are still in blizzards forums crying crying everytime a hack happens. so its their problem
zomgbbqftw
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Nothing to do with that. Since Sony have basically nothing announced for PS4 in regard to used games and DRM there is nothing for them to u-turn on. They can come out on 6/10/13 and say "we've listened to gamers around the world, and ensured that there are no restrictions placed on used games for PS4 and there is no mandatory online check-in" while MS would have some serious back peddling to do. It's much easier for Sony to make this happen than MS.
Also, Sony are much less remote than MS in the last few years. They seem to engage with consumers and fans much more than MS, I think that is because of Yoshida and Andrew House. Without Allard, Xbox is just another faceless MS division and it shows, consumer interaction is minimal.
SimCity shipped 1.2m copies in the first week (physical and digital) and then in the ensuing months it had increased by just 400k to 1.6m, gamers did vote with their wallets and SimCity will be the least successful of the franchise.
Now that may kill it completely, but if that's the price of not putting up with shitty practices then so be it.
he's in developer relations not PR but Adam Boyes is paying attention too
https://twitter.com/amboyes/status/338860972355772416
https://twitter.com/amboyes/status/338860972355772416
backbreaker65
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Sony is in a dilemma, if they cave Publishers will bail, if they go the DRM route they stand to lose "x" amount of gamers.
If they have entered into an agreement with publishers via a contract to support DRM with splitting fees, its a done deal and they might as well get out in front of this story and say we are the bearer of bad news.
If DRM is the new normal, well digital copies of games should be significantly less, since the publisher doesn't have to pay for delivery and brick and mortar. Whatever the cost that is associated with getting games to retailers that cost should be considered for the digital copy. So if the retail cost is $60.00 bucks the digital copy should be $40.00.
If they have entered into an agreement with publishers via a contract to support DRM with splitting fees, its a done deal and they might as well get out in front of this story and say we are the bearer of bad news.
If DRM is the new normal, well digital copies of games should be significantly less, since the publisher doesn't have to pay for delivery and brick and mortar. Whatever the cost that is associated with getting games to retailers that cost should be considered for the digital copy. So if the retail cost is $60.00 bucks the digital copy should be $40.00.
MMaRsu
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we.are.the.armada
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Whoa!
jacksepticeye
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If people care so much about no used games DRM etc then they should be attacking everywhere on twitter got to do with gaming. Not just trying to save Sony. Similar tweets should be sent out to publishers, MS and anyone who has sway in the industry.
It won't be enough just to save Sony's ass in the matter. It's a start but I highly doubt they will change it completely and leave MS with their DRM in place. It causes a divide among devs and publishers
Publishers won't bail, at worst they will give exclusives to XBone. If people go to the PS4 because of their status (no used games DRM) then Pubs will go to the PS4.
Why? Because Publishers like money. Simple as that, they won't abandon a platform because of this as it would means a LOT of loss revenue.
TacticalFox88
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No they won't. That's HALF of their potential sales revenue lost right out of the gate, no questions asked.
Username quote.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Damn, that's awesome.
schwabdizzle
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I am getting a PS4, but my concern about this DRM is that 3rd party publishers will go to MS is they do not allow used games. That's what I am afraid of.
Audioboxer
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I love how some of the posts on page 1 were belittling us as a "few gamers" moaning on Twitter
Krusenstern
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The reddit comments are a slaughterhouse.
dragonbane
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Can you help spread the word and write a Kotaku story on this?
what timezone is this
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Holy fuck this got big :')
It's awesome, even Jim Sterling tweeted about it.
It's awesome, even Jim Sterling tweeted about it.
He's actually probably one of the best people to contact over this. He's in publisher relations, a VP IIRC, so he'd be at the coal face of any discussions with publishers around this stuff.
I think I might swap him in to the tweet on my letter page. (Sorry Adam
)jacksepticeye
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Publishers will go where the best cost per mile is. And if blocking used games on the Xbone means more first hand sales then they will likely go there.
Sure that might not happen, but there is no point trying to save Sony in all of this without similarly trying to change MS mind too
Exactly why we should be tweeting MS and publishers too, not JUST Sony
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