ShockingAlberto
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This is fascinating.
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Media Create Sales: Week 21, 2013 (May 20 - May 26)
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shinra-bansho
Member
They're both doing terribly. What is your point?
While this is ostensibly a Japanese thread, in the wider sales context, stores in the US are struggling to sell one PSV unit a month. Let that sink in for a moment. Sony will be lucky to even hit their low fiscal year target at that rate.
hah I love how this is going nowhere.
off topic but your tag is gone? y u stop being reasonable SA?
RyougaSaotome
Member
Huh. This thread has gotten kind of weird, huh?
I'm wondering how SMT IV did digitally.
I'm wondering how SMT IV did digitally.
Glass Rebel
Member
I always forget that Nintendo is still actively pushing the regular 3DS. Promotion wise it might as well not exist here in Switzerland. Time for a 3DSi.
wtf are you talking about?
You mean there is no news when they cut it to 12? cut it to 10? cut it to 7?
You are right. My mistake. Then Sony will learn from their mistakes.
ShockingAlberto
Member
2013 will be the first year in quite some time without a new handheld model for a Nintendo system...
It's too early I think, but more RAM for the OS at the expensive of DS games could be pretty neat...though I'd then wait for the 3DSi XL myself!
You seem to be only interested in discussing how poorly the Wii U is doing, while berating people for talking about the Vita's performance. It doesn't work like that. This is a sales thread, where the sales of games and hardware are evaluated. People do have biases, and they are sometimes on display here, but once they begin interfering with rational discussion, they are dealt with. If you aren't interested in pulling your fingers out of your ears and engaging other posters respectfully then you shouldn't be in here.
Raonak
Banned
Nah. sony dont really discontinue. they just start ignoring it, like the vita now and the PSP for a decent amount of time.
And PS4 remote play gareentees that it wont be discontinued for quite some time.
Glass Rebel
Member
If it wasn't for the Eevee and Luigi SEs I would bet money on a new model but I guess they can hold out a bit longer. And they haven't even rolled out the most basic XL colours (Black and White) in the US so...
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No its the usual WiiU or Vita talk. Things will get better in the fall when the PS4 comes, Nintendo releases some games for the WiiU, 3DS gets the big hitters, PSV hopefully gets some titles.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Don't forget PS4/X1 release.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How could I
Putting all my hopes on PS4 that it will do well in Japan. We need at least one home console doing really well in Japan. If theres one thing Sony should do its invest in SCEJ (their output is getting better though) or Japanese developers. If they flesh out their first party like they did in the west this gen it could really help them.
All bets are off, Alberto is about to get unreasonable.
So the forecast is extremely low, showing no faith in anything turning around the fortunes of the Vita, yet it's also a pipe dream?
I don't see how both views can be correct. I realise you don't hold both views, I was just using your post as a 'jumping off' point. I think the forecast is probably a genuine expectation given that they've probably got an ace or two up their sleeve, but are unsure how strong those aces actually are.
The Vita ain't getting discontinued any time soon. Even if Sony end up selling the device on the PSN store, it'll still be around in some fashion. I think it's a real shame that people would avoid buying the device due to the perceived negativity surrounding it. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy in action.
I actually predicted 29 August awhile back! Need some distance between X & Y!
Early September would be a failure, with Pokemon coming the next month. They should have it launch at the beginning or mid august. Pack in a MH4 demo with AA5 to push it sales even further.
metalslimer
Member
Both views can easily be correct. You can think that 3.5 million means they have very lite faith in the platform but also think even their low faith number is optimistic at best with the way vita is selling. Lets not forget it may be 4 million projected for vita because sony is so ashamed of its numbers.
Also I don't know why anyone would bring up Wii U in response to Vitas future being questionable. If Wii U is selling 15k in America at this point next year you can bet that discontinuation will be a strong topic.
Also I don't know why anyone would bring up Wii U in response to Vitas future being questionable. If Wii U is selling 15k in America at this point next year you can bet that discontinuation will be a strong topic.
Yeah, I guess you can. I still think there's a middle option though: they have stuff coming that will help sales but they aren't expecting that stuff to set the whole world on fire.
Edit:
Because at this stage in the life of the Vita, it was already being declared dead, I expect.
Both have a long, hard road ahead of them, that's for sure. The Wii-U has titles likelier to sell, that we know of, but it also has some stiff competition arriving this year. The Vita has a brighter future now than it did last year, but it also has insurmountable competition in a rapidly shrinking sector.
specialguy
Banned
what is nintendo going to do with wii u?
this cannot continue.
i think it's clear they plan to wait out holiday 13. if things dont turn by then (and they wont), it's over.
this cannot continue.
i think it's clear they plan to wait out holiday 13. if things dont turn by then (and they wont), it's over.
Whether you agree with one or both views, it's easy to see how they can both potentially be correct.
A forecast of 3-3.5M for the 3rd FY is ridiculously low. The Gamecube didn't fall below 3.8M (and that was during its 1st FY when it was only on the market for several months) until its 5th FY, when it was all but dead and buried. So Sony is expecting the Vita to have a worse year than any year of the Cube pre-2006. So yes, for a dedicated worldwide gaming system, the forecast is remarkably low, and shows that Sony has zero confidence in the product this FY. This viewpoint isn't really even open to debate.
At the same time, given the current sales of the system worldwide, plus the announced lineup moving forward, it is entirely possible for someone to also believe that Sony still won't reach the ~3.5M forecast that they have set.
How could I
Putting all my hopes on PS4 that it will do well in Japan. We need at least one home console doing really well in Japan. If theres one thing Sony should do its invest in SCEJ (their output is getting better though) or Japanese developers. If they flesh out their first party like they did in the west this gen it could really help them.
PS4 should do fine. Japanese third parties don't really have another console alternative besides the Wii U, and even if the Wii U picks up not every game will be as good a fit for it compared to PS4.
darkistheway
Member
They'll just stick to the PS3 or forgo console development altogether.
Once next gen gets rolling and they stop making PS3 games, I mean. Though I don't see any reason to think why many third parties would stop console development altogether. Making cheap portable games isn't always the best option.
StreetsAhead
Member
My local Aeon has said they won't be reordering Vita products.
Last time I checked they had six games and two consoles left.
I think the plan starts on July 13th - the day Pikmin 3, NSLU, and the White Premium set get released. Then there'll be Lego City two weeks after that and TW101 a month after that. Then they still have Wii Fit, Party, WWHD, and Rayman for the rest of the year, even if MK8 and Mario3D don't make it.
They have little confidence, not zero confidence. That might seem like pedantry but I feel it's an important distinction given that we were talking about discontinuation.
Which is why I feel it's safe to assume there are titles in their unannounced lineup that they expect will have a positive effect on unit sales. They aren't forecasting their current sales, they're forecasting their future sales.
Still, I guess it's entirely possible that they have nothing at all in the bag and they'll miss the low forecast anyway.
People are still expecting Sony to support the Vita? And really what is the difference between Sony officially discontinuing the product and retailers just never ordering more stock? Their forecast should be the most damning evidence first of all but they're also launching the PS4 this year. Price drop in Japan and Soul Sacrifice already happened and nothing to change its trajectory. What else could they possibly have that would actually improve things for more than a month?
Earthpainting
Member
The latter is pretty much what I'm expecting. The low output on PS3 is already painting a bleak picture and I don't expect many of these developers to make the jump to PS4. WiiU could have been a viable alternative, but with the low amount of sales, I doubt it's a very attractive move to make. That leaves the handheld and mobile space, which they have already been gravitating towards heavily.
Glass Rebel
Member
I really don't see console development completely dying out.
First of all, many if not most of the biggest Japanese franchises are also aimed at a global audience. Second, 3DS cannot deliver console-like experiences, which won't suddenly become unattractive with the generational shift. So unless Vita suddenly becomes a third-party powerhouse...
First of all, many if not most of the biggest Japanese franchises are also aimed at a global audience. Second, 3DS cannot deliver console-like experiences, which won't suddenly become unattractive with the generational shift. So unless Vita suddenly becomes a third-party powerhouse...
BlackIronCount
Member
i doubt they would completely abandon console, the one that on PS3 will eventually come to PS4 it just would take some years maybe in 3-4 years .
Well, they just announced a 2014 game for it, so yeah. The mandated remote play also suggests so, as did the cryptic 'living room' stuff at the PS4 reveal.
Well, if I say 'wait for E3', I'll get pounced on. So, I'll just say I don't know but maybe they'll announce some stuff somewhere down the line.
Edit: I should clarify that I'm not expecting some sort of major turnaround, just continued support.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Well...further price drop and FFx I guess (killzone in the west).
darkistheway
Member
Obviously, the larger third parties are going to continue to push their global franchises but as we saw in the current generation, those companies began to support the 360 in a big way as it became clear that the PS3 was not the PS2.
The original comment I was responding to implied that the PS4 needed to be successful for Japanese publishers else they would only have the Wii U; this would only be the case for Japanese-centric publishers. The larger third parties (SE, Capcom, Namco) can push their big franchises on whatever console is biggest in the other areas of the world. They don't 'need' the PS4 per se; they just need an install base large enough to support their AAA development budgets. The current gen that meant PS3 and 360 combined; this coming gen may see Xbone dominate completely - I personally expect history to repeat itself and once again will have a slowly paced race to a near tie between Xbone and PS4.
Shocking!
Glass Rebel
Member
Which publishers and series are actually Japanese-centric? Honest question, I'm somewhat out of my element here.
Namco Bandai has the Tales franchise, SEGA has Yakuza, everything Musou and there's all the Gust, Compile Hart etc. stuff which is all predominantly PS3 focused. Unless they stay on PS3 or switch to Vita they can't go anywhere besides PS4.
People who believe that it is possible to discontinue devices like the Vita or Wii U just because of their sales performance and ignoring the fact that companies spend a lot of money into these projects are
fuck-ing-de-lus-ional
And don't bring up any system from 1789 or 1276, modern gaming business works differently
fuck-ing-de-lus-ional
And don't bring up any system from 1789 or 1276, modern gaming business works differently
It doesn't make much sense either, they supported the system when it had a much lower user base, why would they stop supporting it when the user base will be even bigger in 2014? These platforms get more attractive as long as the user base keeps rising. I mean people act as if PS3 and 360 set the world on fire when they were released. MS and Sony had to spend years t establish their platforms.
Even if Vita sells 5 million year for the next 5 years , why would companies who already are having successes like Marvelous or Bamco drop the support? It's not like the user base is getting any smaller.
darkistheway
Member
it's a good question and I'm not the one to answer it as I just don't have the knowledge. Every week there's a PS3 title on the charts that we will never see in the West - those are the games I'm referring to. If uptake of PS4 is slow, I can see those types of games continuing on the PS3 for a long time, especially as they are rarely graphic showcases so really don't 'need' the PS4.
Question for the veterans - how long into PS3's life did PS2 games chart?
shinra-bansho
Member
Do you mean chart highly, or just chart in general? From a quick look they still seemed to be charting in 2009.
It's been a strong topic for a year now, its tiresome.
I guess on the bright side, it will eventually be true, maybe in 2016. Thats a long time for 'lol, vita dead' *sigh*
and Nintendo will have the wiiu for at least 4 years. they will not xbone their customers by killing it after 2 years, no way in hell.
Who's talking about Marvelous or Bandai Namco? People are speculating whether the manufacturer of the hardware will stop producing and developing new games for it. Companies like Sony release games early on in order to expand the user base of their new plattform to make it viable for the future. If they have to realize that their software fails to generate interest in the plattform and that they are unable to sell a significant amount of hardware, it's not far-fetched to think that they'll stop developing games for it if there's no money to be made for them.
Sony is not going to come out and say "The Vita is dead, everyone abandon ship!", I don't think that's what anyone truly expects. However, it is likely that Sony will stop developing noticeable games for the plattform and will instead try to support it in a way that costs them less money (aka pushing remote play features and giving incentives to 3rd party studios to develop exclusive content). Companies that are releasing successful games can continue doing so -- since the Vita's mainly big with the Otaku audience, it probably wouldn't even hurt game sales all that much if a lot of retailers slowly stop to offer Vita related products (which absolutely will happen if sales don't pick up -- not many retailers can afford it to have shelf space being occupied by stuff that's not selling quicky).
Sony stopping the production of Vita hardware would actually be the least surprising thing in the world. Nintendo had to do the same thing with the GameCube once retailers had more stock than they could sell (even if that was just temporarily). There's not much else you can do once retailers don't need more units and your warehouses are full.
michaelius
Banned
According to doom prophets vita was already discontinued shortly after holidays 2012 at least before moving goalposts later when it was obvious it's not going to happen
They are spreading FUD, and for what reason I have no idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt
They do not work for sony, they are not experts in video game hardware, they do not work in the industry...I could go on.
All I know is that Sony has a 100% record in supporting their gaming hardware for years, and they are making a huge deal about vita integration into the PS4, so the idea that Vita will be discontinued in the next 3 years is just stupid.
I don't see how Vita has a "brighter" future now than it did last year, outside Japan.