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Metal Gear Solid V (PS3/360/PS4/XBO/Maybe PC) - Extended 9 minute E3 trailer

Batzi

Banned
I can confirm that they said it was running on a "current gen-like" spec PC. No translation error there.

Thank you. This trailer is absolutely FANTASTIC given the fact it is running on current-gen. The FOX Engine is indeed amazing. Excellent job Kojima!
 

nib95

Banned
Most likely on a current-gen console or a PC locked at current-gen specs. That trailer looks like the Ground Zeroes trailer which was confirmed to be running on a PC with roughly the same specs as a PS3. People don't want to believe that for some fucking reason.

I can confirm that they said it was running on a "current gen-like" spec PC. No translation error there.


No chance. I've seen a couple of these new MGS trailers now. 2 looked next gen, 1 looked current gen. This one looked next gen. Must be running on a higher spec PC, or something closer to the equivalent of a PS4/XO. No way it's a PS3 spec'd variant. Textures, level of AA and AF etc.
 

HeelPower

Member
Interesting info (dunno if mentioned before)

The song artist is Donna Burke.She is the same VA who originally voiced Angela Orosco in silent hill 2 and Caludia in silent hill 3.
 

Batzi

Banned
No chance. I've seen a couple of these new MGS trailers now. 2 looked next gen, 1 looked current gen. This one looked next gen. Must be running on a higher spec PC, or something closer to the equivalent of a PS4/XO. No way it's a PS3 spec'd variant. Textures, level of AA and AF etc.

Can you please tell me which one looked current-gen? Because in my opinion they all looked the same.
 

Grief.exe

Member
Pretty sure Kojima flat out lied when he said it was running on a PC spec'd to the PS3. I thought everyone agreed on that.

Or its a translation error.

Translating Japanese to English is far from easy and can leave room for some guessing.

If the gameplay I saw in that trailer is the exact same as what we will see in current gen, I will come back to this thread and eat crow.

But I already know its literally impossible because of the 1080p, open world, real-time shadows. That is not current-gen.
 

HeelPower

Member
Or its a translation error.

Translating Japanese to English is far from easy and can leave room for some guessing.

If the gameplay I saw in that trailer is the exact same as what we will see in current gen, I will come back to this thread and eat crow.

But I already know its literally impossible because of the 1080p, open world, real-time shadows. That is not current-gen.

Its impossible.Current gen versions will probably take MASSIVE drops in quality. I don't think an on rails shooter could achieve this quaity on current gen either , let alone a kojima style open world game with insane attention to detail.
 
Or its a translation error.

Translating Japanese to English is far from easy and can leave room for some guessing.

If the gameplay I saw in that trailer is the exact same as what we will see in current gen, I will come back to this thread and eat crow.

But I already know its literally impossible because of the 1080p, open world, real-time shadows. That is not current-gen.
Just curious but where are you getting 1080p from? Of course a current gen one wouldn't be that, but I kinda toss perceiving resolution out the window watching compressed videos.
 

Grief.exe

Member
Just curious but where are you getting 1080p from? Of course a current gen one wouldn't be that, but I kinda toss perceiving resolution out the window watching compressed videos.

I concede that point I am just making an educated guess.

Generally companies don't upscale their games and then upload them to video compression. They like to run them natively on youtube.

For Example:

 
I just watched the extended trailer. I'm blown away, once again.

I need this game.

The graphics are pretty darn nice. The few enhancements to stealth are cool. Kojima not holding back with the mature content is interesting. Yeah, this is going to be a fun game.
 
Hi guys, I know it might be too soon, but it happened with Ground Zeroes.
Does anyone have already a hi-res picture of that Phantom Pain poster now? I recall seeing someone posted a hi res image of GZ BB very near to it's announcement and well, I really dig that pic but I barely understand it lol, so, anyone?
 

Grief.exe

Member
This one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5t45tEPWQ

Textures, resolution, level of detail, draw distance, amount of aliasing, AF etc. Just looks closer to current gen compared to this new trailer.

I could agree on that.

I noticed less detailed textures, aliasing everywhere, and a linear environment.

I totally forgot about this trailer. I remember being blown away by the Ground Zeroes and the trailer we saw yesterday.

So this was when Kojima was referring to the PC spec'd at current gen.
 

nib95

Banned
I could agree on that.

I noticed less detailed textures, aliasing everywhere, and a linear environment.

I totally forgot about this trailer. I remember being blown away by the Ground Zeroes and the trailer we saw yesterday.

So this was when Kojima was referring to the PC spec'd at current gen.

Must be imo. This new trailer if I had to guess was running on a higher spec PC, PS4 or Xbox One.
 
Perhaps

(Potential story context synopsis)
Big Boss is sent out to rescue Chico, and Paz. He gets to Camp Omega, infiltrates the base, gets to Chico. Chico reveals that he gave Skull Face details about Mother Base (earning the cassette player, playing the traitor) , and Big Boss loses his shit, and begins to choke him. Boss recognizes that decorated war hero's don't CQC children to death, and relents. He rescues Chico and further infiltrates, rescuing Paz. Boss brings her and Chico back to Mother Base, where Paz begins to convulse. They try to operate and find the 'Peace' package, which is followed by an attack on Mother Base by Skull Face. Mother Base's occupants are killed, and Mother Base falls into the ocean. Kaz and Big Boss escape in a helicopter, with Big Boss distraught at the carnage. Perhaps the helicopter is shot down, but events occur that leave Big Boss in a coma. He wakes up after 9 years, and 'Ishmael' (a projection of his mind) leads him outside of the complex. Ocelot helps Big Boss escape when he crashes an ambulance, and after a period of time takes him to Afghanistan where Kaz is held captive. Kaz has, perhaps, been interrogated for the entirety of those 9 years, loosing limbs in the process. Big Boss rescues Kaz, and along with Ocelot they exact revenge of Cipher.
PEACE WALKER 100% MEGA SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kaz was working for Zero
 

Batzi

Banned
I could agree on that.

I noticed less detailed textures, aliasing everywhere, and a linear environment.

I totally forgot about this trailer. I remember being blown away by the Ground Zeroes and the trailer we saw yesterday.

So this was when Kojima was referring to the PC spec'd at current gen.

yea? well many scenes from that trailer were featured in the E3 trailer which you are claiming to be next-gen..that's a contradiction unless Kojima mixed current-gen and next-gen footage together.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_GwC2hyFU&t=16m12s
 
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So good to be a gamer. I am actually enjoying E3 this year compared to the last few.
 

nib95

Banned
yea? well many scenes from that trailer were featured in the E3 trailer which you are claiming to be next-gen..that's a contradiction unless Kojima mixed current-gen and next-gen footage together.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_GwC2hyFU&t=16m12s

It's on all the platforms. Doesn't matter if it shows the same scene. Obviously the same game is going to look and/or run worse on the current gen systems compared to the next gen versions. Why would they show a current gen version of the game at the XO's conference anyway? Doesn't make sense.
 
One thing's for sure. I've always imagined playing this on the PS4 from the very beginning, and it's obviously gonna have the best experience. So for practicality, PS4 and Xbox One will look great.

EDIT - ^yup, everyone's gonna show the best version of the game. After all, they are trying to sell the game.
 

Batzi

Banned
It's on all the platforms. Doesn't matter if it shows the same scene. Obviously the same game is going to look and/or run worse on the current gen systems compared to the next gen versions. Why would they show a current gen version of the game at the XO's conference anyway? Doesn't make sense.

Because the damn engine was not yet ready for next-gen consoles and that they were working on it as they were developing Ground Zeroes long before announcing The Phantom Pain. That Ground Zeroes trailer was running on a PC with PS3 specs. Please read watch Kojima's interviews. He clearly stated that. He has no reason to lie about it. He said, that the GDC trailer was running on a PC and that the PS3 version would look very close to it and that it won't be 100% exactly the same but that's good enough.
 

Batzi

Banned
It's on all the platforms. Doesn't matter if it shows the same scene. Obviously the same game is going to look and/or run worse on the current gen systems compared to the next gen versions. Why would they show a current gen version of the game at the XO's conference anyway? Doesn't make sense.

They never said it was running on Xbox One. They said it was coming on X1.

That's not next-gen.

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nib95

Banned
Because the damn engine was not yet ready for next-gen consoles and that they were working on it as they were developing Ground Zeroes long before announcing The Phantom Pain. That Ground Zeroes trailer was running on a PC with PS3 specs. Please read watch Kojima's interviews. He clearly stated that. He has no reason to lie about it. He said, that the GDC trailer was running on a PC and that the PS3 version would look very close to it and that it won't be 100% exactly the same but that's good enough.

This is not the GDC trailer. This is a new E3 trailer. I am almost certain this is running on a higher spec PC, or should I say, a PC that isn't down specced to that of a PS3. Or correcting myself still, the same game but at higher settings to mimic what they think the next gen versions will look like.

Like I said earlier just a few posts up, the previous trailer looks noticeably inferior to this new trailer in many ways. It's like a PC game running medium settings at 720p or less with little AA/AF versus the same game running at high settings at 1080p with higher AA/AF.
 

Batzi

Banned
This is not the GDC trailer. This is a new E3 trailer. I am almost certain this is running on a higher spec PC, or should I say, a PC that isn't down specced to that of a PS3. Or correcting myself still, the same game but at higher settings to mimic what they think the next gen versions will look like.

Like I said earlier just a few posts up, the previous trailer visibly looks inferior to this new trailer in many ways. It's like a PC game running medium settings at 720p or less with little AA/AF versus the same game running at high settings at 1080p with higher AA/AF.
So you are saying that the GDC trailer looked current-gen is that it?
 

nib95

Banned
So you are saying that the GDC trailer looked current-gen is that it?

Yes. That the GDC trailer looked current gen. That this new trailer looks next gen.

I only asked if anyone knew what this new trailer was running on. My guess is a similar PC, just at higher specs (not down specced) or settings.
 

Grief.exe

Member
yea? well many scenes from that trailer were featured in the E3 trailer which you are claiming to be next-gen..that's a contradiction unless Kojima mixed current-gen and next-gen footage together.

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_GwC2hyFU&t=16m12s

Kind of a big stawman there.

The scenes that I was referring to as next-gen/PC level I highlighted earlier in the thread and had nothing to do with what was shown in the Phantom Pain trailer.

In fact, almost nothing from today's trailer was from the Phantom Pain one.

They never said it was running on Xbox One. They said it was coming on X1.

That's not next-gen.

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We agree with you on that.
 

Batzi

Banned
Yes. That the GDC trailer looked current gen. That this new trailer looks next gen.

I only asked if anyone knew what this new trailer was running on. My guess is a similar PC, just at higher specs (not down specced) or settings.

So that part was current-gen right? Cause I think it's pretty fucking impressive and if they can achieve that on a current-gen console, they can pretty much do the E3 trailer on a current-gen console because it didn't look that different to me.

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Neiteio

Member
Excellent trailer, but I am NOT looking forward to Kojima directing an operation-without-anesthetic scene. Guy has no restraint with dialogue scenes (Drebin instantly disqualifies MGS4 from the "best anything"), so you have to wonder how long we'll have to watch some poor kid have his bowels shuffled about. :-\
 

nib95

Banned
So that part was current-gen right? Cause I think it's pretty fucking impressive and if they can achieve that on a current-gen console, they can pretty much do the E3 trailer on a current-gen console because it didn't look that different to me.

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No point linking me to a small GIF, I can post GIF's of many different current gen games that look next gen in GIF form (KZ2/3, GT5/6, GOW3 etc). Well you see the GDC trailer full screen running in HD, it looks current gen. Has all the tell tell signs. Lack of AA/AF being big ones, level of detail or resolution being others. This new trailer has none of them.
 

Grief.exe

Member
They've been saying that since Ground Zeroes reveal.

No, Ground Zeroes was always running on a high-end PC.

Numerous sources, but here is one.

Hideo Kojima has unveiled a brand new Metal Gear Solid game at a Metal Gear Solid 25th Anniversary Event in Tokyo. The game is subtitled: Ground Zeroes and was demoed running on a high-end PC running Konami's next-gen 'Fox Engine'.

http://www.gamesradar.com/metal-gea...ark-above-your-head-first-details-and-images/


The first Phantom Pain trailer was the one that was running on a PC spec'd at current gen.
 
No, Ground Zeroes was always running on a high-end PC.

Numerous sources, but here is one.

? Search for spec in the link I gave. You're saying people just made that up last August?

Yes. That the GDC trailer looked current gen. That this new trailer looks next gen.

I only asked if anyone knew what this new trailer was running on. My guess is a similar PC, just at higher specs (not down specced) or settings.

Maybe, it was an Xbone trailer wasn't it?. But the 1080p screenshots they're putting out have zero AA.
 

Batzi

Banned
No, Ground Zeroes was always running on a high-end PC.

Numerous sources, but here is one.



http://www.gamesradar.com/metal-gea...ark-above-your-head-first-details-and-images/


The first Phantom Pain trailer was the one that was running on a PC spec'd at current gen.

You're linking the same article over and over again. They got it all wrong. There was no loss in translation. Kojima said on numerous occasions that it was running on current gen specs on a PC. NOT high-end. I've seen better looking games on high-end PC.
 
how the fuck does ocelot look older than snake in 1984 inspite of the fact that he's 9 years younger
I know people in their thirties that look like they're ready to die, meanwhile Sakurai is pulling a Benjamin Button. People age differently, and I think your perception might be skewed because Ocelot's rockin' a full mane of grey.
 

Batzi

Banned
Not really. The cheesy song takes a lot away from it. I much prefer the 15 minute E3 '06 epic. But this looked great. Can't wait.

I thought the music at the beginning was fricking awesome and was emotional, fitting the brutal scenes perfectly well! The song was awesome too man.
 

LostAnkh

Member
This game looks GREAT. Not digging the new voice though, but no hate towards the actor, as he's good (especially in Phone Booth).
 
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