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PS4 and Xbox One UK Pre-order sales data - Hard data included! [Updated]

Freki

Member
Indeed - just being equal to MS in the USA and UK would be a major triumph for Sony as they win in the rest of the world handily. If they can actually pull ahead in both those countries and maintain their dominance elsewhere (which so far seems to what's happening) then you're looking at a major win for Sony. Big change from the current generation.

Not that I think it will matter games wise - the number of third party exclusives is going to be even smaller this generation.

In my book that's a win for gamers.
 

DBT85

Member
Anyway, to stay on topic. I wonder if this will be replicated countrywide? None of my friends are particularly interested in either console since going back to PC, so I'm unable to gather any anecdotal evidence, but what about everyone else's gaming buds?

This was the response I got.

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Into

Member
MS cannot afford to lose "homecourt" in UK like this, granted this is a small sample and i appreciate you getting these numbers.

There is no 1 year head start and a significantly cheaper system compared to the 599 this time, they are launching at the same time, 100 dollars different, 80 quid different.


Granted people pre ordering now are enthusiasts around the world, both consoles will sell out day 1 with relative ease. The interesting part will be once that audience got theirs, and the general masses are the ones dictating what the numbers will look like.
 

Maledict

Member
In my book that's a win for gamers.

Depends on whether games use the PS4s extra power. Would be a shame to have games be identical due to the XBOs poor design.

On the plus side for me, I find Sony's 1st party games far superior anyways. Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted - XBO exclusives seem a lot less appealing.
 

Kyoufu

Member
Ok, the Ps4 looks like it has the edge now, but to be honest, I can't believe MS is able to sell 2 Xbone every 3 PS4 despite the very negative mood that surrounds the console.

I honestly expect something worst for MS, something like 4-1 ...

The UK has been Xbox land for the majority of this generation. 360 is very popular here and for many it's their first/favourite console. There IS some brand loyalty. 360 fans enjoy their Halo, XBL experience etc and don't believe PSN is worth their time. This could change next generation though as Sony now have feature parity with XBL and are investing heavily into the service.

If Sony can win over the Call of Duty crowd next gen then the UK is theirs. Saying that, I don't think Xbone will do terribly. It could end up like the PS3 is today here in the UK.

NPD and other sales threads will be interesting.
 
zomgbbqftw, since you're an analyst who probably know abit about this, what would Sony be pumping out of their factories per month assuming industry average yields and when would a product like this start being mass produced?

(Since everyone knows about the new iPhone four months before from the supply chain, its strange we've not heard a peep)

500k per month then a ramp up to capacity of 1.5m per month depending on demand. Between July and November (four months of mass production) Sony can probably get around 2m units, 2.5m if they push it. That gives them enough for a two region launch, but not enough to supply Japan/Asia with 700k units as well. They will want at least 1m in the US and 1m in Europe if not more.
 

Freki

Member
500k per month then a ramp up to capacity of 1.5m per month depending on demand. Between July and November (four months of mass production) Sony can probably get around 2m units, 2.5m if they push it. That gives them enough for a two region launch, but not enough to supply Japan/Asia with 700k units as well. They will want at least 1m in the US and 1m in Europe if not more.

Is this comparable for xbox one?
 
500k per month then a ramp up to capacity of 1.5m per month depending on demand. Between July and November (four months of mass production) Sony can probably get around 2m units, 2.5m if they push it. That gives them enough for a two region launch, but not enough to supply Japan/Asia with 700k units as well. They will want at least 1m in the US and 1m in Europe if not more.

Wouldn't they need more that 2 million?
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Indeed - just being equal to MS in the USA and UK would be a major triumph for Sony as they win in the rest of the world handily. If they can actually pull ahead in both those countries and maintain their dominance elsewhere (which so far seems to what's happening) then you're looking at a major win for Sony. Big change from the current generation.

Not that I think it will matter games wise - the number of third party exclusives is going to be even smaller this generation.

MSFT will spend money for exclusives unfortunately.
 

dalyr95

Member
Considering PS3 only had 400k units for the US launch and pushed back the EU launch, they should be in a good position for Christmas.
 
Is this comparable for xbox one?

MS are said to be suffering from poor yields of the APU so they won't be able to produce as many. I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed the non-US/UK launches until early 2014. They will want to ensure they have enough stock in their two main regions to at least meet demand.

If they don't have the supply available then it is just another feather in Sony's cap IMO, the experience offered by both is similar enough that a lot of gamers that would want Xbone might not be bothered enough to wait and will switch their allegiance to what they can buy rather than wait for what isn't in stock.
 
I know around 12 people that play video games in their spare time. 7 of them are primarily PC players while 5 are primarily console players. 7 have pre-ordered the PS4.
(I was surprised myself, I expected around 4, as they range from WoW only players to only playing FIFA.)

That is surprising, but then the PS4 does seem to have relatively big focus on F2P/MMO type games, so perhaps not all that surprising.

This was the response I got.

Yeah, not surprised really that the split is in favour of PS4. I'm also actually not that surprised that there's more some people sticking with their current console. There really hasn't been anything about either that screams 'buy me now'.

Now if Sony or MS had convinced R* to port GTA5 to either console, that might have made all the difference.
 
We need to make bets on how fast PS4 and XBone surpass Wii U sales

Miles said:
Now if Sony or MS had convinced R* to port GTA5 to either console, that might have made all the difference.

That would have been huge. I really expected one of the platforms to have some kind of announcement surrounding that.
 

DBT85

Member
So before this week, PS4 was ahead with a ratio of 1.5:1 (1840:1220) and this week its jumped to 2.6:1 (470:180).


Yeah, not surprised really that the split is in favour of PS4. I'm also actually not that surprised that there's more some people sticking with their current console. There really hasn't been anything about either that screams 'buy me now'.

Now if Sony or MS had convinced R* to port GTA5 to either console, that might have made all the difference.

With regards to that list, 5 of those people only have a 360 right now afaik (1,2,3,4,9) and the three other guys I know that all have only a PS3 didn't even reply.
 

Kyoufu

Member
Considering PS3 only had 400k units for the US launch and pushed back the EU launch, they should be in a good position for Christmas.

If they're smart they'll delay the Japanese launch (sorry J-GAF) and focus on getting as many units into NA and EU as possible.
 
I wonder how stubborn MS will be with the price since I really think it is the single biggest boon Sony could ask for. 499 is the same price that PS3 had for the cheaper SKU and we know how that turned out when there was much cheaper option that was on par or better with pretty much everything exept blu-ray.

Do we know how agressive MS has been with pricecuts if their product has a slow start? I think they will make a grave mistake if they don't have a Kinectless SKU for 399 or just cut the price before the second half of 2014.
 

Freki

Member
MS are said to be suffering from poor yields of the APU so they won't be able to produce as many. I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed the non-US/UK launches until early 2014. They will want to ensure they have enough stock in their two main regions to at least meet demand.

If they don't have the supply available then it is just another feather in Sony's cap IMO, the experience offered by both is similar enough that a lot of gamers that would want Xbone might not be bothered enough to wait and will switch their allegiance to what they can buy rather than wait for what isn't in stock.

Do we have any idea how big the impact will be (e.g. only 60% of PS4 launch supply).
And I'd agree with the rest of your asessments - Last gen this is what hurt PS3 considerably in my opinion.
 

Freki

Member
So before this week, PS4 was ahead with a ratio of 1.5:1 (1840:1220) and this week its jumped to 2.6:1 (470:180).

Yep - the went from <60% pre-E3 to >72% post-E3...

Isn't the price difference the main reason for this rather that the xbox ones drm policies.
As you can see above PS4 was in the lead even pre-E3. Price just reinforced this trend so I'd say it's fair to assume the policies sourrounding the xbox one had a negative impact.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Interesting data for a country that used to be completely Xbox-centric. Glad there's no such thing as blind brand loyalty.

The numbers will be even more skewed for mainland Europe, I bet.
 

Jezbollah

Member
Isn't the price difference the main reason for this rather that the xbox ones drm policies.

Price will likely be a factor, but I think the used games is a huge decider for the UK market - and especially in the way that shops push pre-sales.



Interesting data for a country that used to be completely Xbox-centric. Glad there's no such thing as blind brand loyalty.

The numbers will be even more skewed for mainland Europe, I bet.

I cant speak for other countries - but in Italy, going by my impressions while I have been out there (I am half Italian) Xbox is virtually non-existent.
 
We need to make bets on how fast PS4 and XBone surpass Wii U sales

I'll wager 5 bones that both pass Wii U LTD (UK) first week of release. (perhaps that's too optimistic?)

That would have been huge. I really expected one of the platforms to have some kind of announcement surrounding that.

Yeah, the lack of announcement was one of the biggest surprises about E3. I was so sure that either one would have it locked down.

I guess R* probably weren't open to the idea as they were already planning to release a GOTY edition on both the PS4/One next year/2015?
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
I wonder how stubborn MS will be with the price since I really think it is the single biggest boon Sony could ask for. 499 is the same price that PS3 had for the cheaper SKU and we know how that turned out when there was much cheaper option that was on par or better with pretty much everything exept blu-ray.

Do we know how agressive MS has been with pricecuts if their product has a slow start? I think they will make a grave mistake if they don't have a Kinectless SKU for 399 or just cut the price before the second half of 2014.

People were asking the same questions before PS3 came out at 600USD.
 

Kyoufu

Member
Interesting data for a country that used to be completely Xbox-centric. Glad there's no such thing as blind brand loyalty.

The numbers will be even more skewed for mainland Europe, I bet.

Of course there is. There's just not that many of them.
 
1m PS4s for US and 1m for EU would be enough for Nov/Dec. Sony will have ramped up by November so they will ship more from January, and then after the Chinese new year they will launch in Japan/Asia I expect.

Thanks, wouldn't it sell out with those kind of numbers?
Also, how would EU units be distributed?
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Considering the price difference and the DRM, I'm thinking MS will be more then happy.

Weren't you the one telling everyone that Microsoft was going to take Europe this generation?
If the UK is any indication right now, they are on route to lose nearly every single territory to Sony.
 

dyergram

Member
I was in game yesterday (ew) and it seemed from instore displays like they were making the ps4 look more appealing more games were listed they had an exclusive bundle for pre order and there was more posters for that. Nobody tried to get my pre order though.
 

Hindle

Banned
Weren't you the one telling everyone that Microsoft was going to take Europe this generation?
If the UK is any indication right now, they are on route to lose nearly every single territory to Sony.

They're about making money I'd say. Launching at that price and making those kind of pre orders is something that will please them.

Edit. It's early days yet, thier preorders could increase, which again considering the price, would be impressive.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
I don't think DRM matters at all here. The Xbone is 430 pounds, isn't it? That's like hyperdimension marktunia ridiculosa. You have REALLY got to want to play the launch games to pay that.
 
Thanks, wouldn't it sell out with those kind of numbers?
Also, how would EU units be distributed?

Yes, it would definitely sell out. UK, Germany and France would get the largest share of those units, over 200k in each country, probably around 400k in the UK alone to meet Nov/Dec demand, especially since that is where Sony have the biggest fight on their hands.
 
I am glad that PS4 is outselling the Xbox 1. I hope this trend continues too because I am hoping that MS will be able to patch the X1 to work without Kinnect and in return sell a cheaper console for something in the neighborhood of $349. I would love an X1, but I will not buy one for $499.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
They're about making money I'd say. Launching at that price and making those kind of pre orders is something that will please them.

Edit. It's early days yet, thier preorders could increase, which again considering the price, would be impressive.

Do you have any data on the amount of money either company is earning per unit?
 

Auto_aim1

MeisaMcCaffrey
Considering the price difference and the DRM, I'm thinking MS will be more then happy.
I don't think they will be happy. It seems that they miscalculated Sony's moves and honestly believed that they would be at price parity with the PS4. Of course, it's still too early to predict how the market will react when both these consoles come out, but the PS4 has a massive edge for now. If Microsoft is unable to do anything about it in, say, within 1.5 to 2 years of launch, it will be extremely difficult for them to come out on top.
 

Freki

Member
I don't think DRM matters at all here. The Xbone is 430 pounds, isn't it? That's like hyperdimension marktunia ridiculosa. You have REALLY got to want to play the launch games to pay that.

PS4 already had a 3:2 advantage over xbox one before the price was even announced...
 
Almost certainly talking about the entirety of the UK. We are talking about £350 and £430 machines, after all.

While this data is for only one region, I feel this is will be the biggest factor going forward. People have less money in their pockets than ever before, so even if they were considering the One, an £80 cheaper console is more of a draw, especially when both have a lot of the same games.

Then again, I fully expect a reasonably large portion of the market to stick with their PS360 until 2014/2015. There's currently nothing to push gamers to buy either of the new consoles, just like there wasn't much to push them to buy the Wii U at launch...
 
I don't think DRM matters at all here. The Xbone is 430 pounds, isn't it? That's like hyperdimension marktunia ridiculosa. You have REALLY got to want to play the launch games to pay that.

That price is pretty hilarious, what a lot of non UK gaffers might not realise is that its actually higher than what the ps3 launched at
 
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