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Swedish retailer lists Demon's Souls 2 and Evolve(?) for PS4

I just can't believe that FROM is developing Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2 at the same time. And I don't think Sony would try to develop Demon's Souls 2 somewhere else. So I don't think this means anything.

Edit - Maybe retailers have gotten wise to how GAF makes a fuss of intriguing listings like this, and they're doing it for attention now?

I want to believe.

Dark Souls 2 feels like the Batman Arkham Origins of the Souls series to me. Despite that I'm still very excited for it.. but not the way I am about a potential next-gen Demon's Souls 2.
 
A lot of people seem pretty adamant that From Software can't be working on this game, despite the insiders that said this was coming also saying From Software is involved, and despite Miyazaki coincidentally choosing to not direct Dark Souls 2.

I could easily see SCE being willing to bankroll a next generation title in a way Namco could/would not. Plus, the guys at SCEJ were genuinely excited to be working on a spiritual successor to King's Field, based on interviews prior to Demon's Souls' release, so it's no shock at all that they'd seek out a relationship with From Software yet again after the game's eventual succcess.
 
Or misdirection...

Either way, it is not Dragons Dogma.

Why would capcom be working on Demon's soul 2 when they have their own highly successful fantasy RPG series Dragon's Dogma?

Not to mention being a fan of both demon's soul and dragon's dogma, I'm far more excited at seeing at Capcom continuing the series than work with Sony on a 1st party exclusive.
 

BibiMaghoo

Member
Why would capcom be working on Demon's soul 2 when they have their own highly successful fantasy RPG series Dragon's Dogma?

Not to mention being a fan of both demon's soul and dragon's dogma, I'm far more excited at seeing at Capcom continuing the series than work with Sony on a 1st party exclusive.

Because Sony pays for one. Capcom pays for the other.
 
I am aware. Dark Souls only sold ~500K copies in Japan. ~2 million copies not sold in Japan. Also, According to Atlus, Namco paid good money to be the western publisher of Dark Souls. You are insane if you think Namco won't be pissed if FROM works on a basically identical game with someone else and cuts them out.

They paid for Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, not From Software themselves and they're getting exactly what they paid for, so what exactly is the problem? There was always the risk that From would move onto something else (not that I think they are, both series could easily be continued).

We get it, you don't want it to happen, but your soap opera love triangle idea is fucking ridiculous and the number of rumours pointing to Demon's Souls 2 existence is overwhelming.
 
I really want Demon's Souls 2 to be a thing. I know Verendus is saying it's real, and I know several other people have hinted at it. Honestly though, while I do think it's possible that DS2 exists, it's still really hard to believe it's going to happen.

Or at least that it's already in development now. FROM is not a huge studio, and it's hard to believe that they have the bandwidth to support two fairly similar RPGs at the same time.

That being said, I don't think they've announced any new games other than Dark Souls 2 in quite a while, have they? That is somewhat suspicious...
 
what if sony went to From and is publishing demon souls 2 and is not going to be released until 6 months after dark souls 2. how would that screw namco? Sony owns demon souls ip and they work independently with sony and not be worried about what namco says because namco doesn't own From.

afaik, FROM have a good business relationship with Namco. If DeSouls2 was a completely different game/franchise that would be different but the Demon/Dark Souls games are practically the same. It's practically guaranteed that it would cannabalize sales of Dark if Demon's was to continue. I personally can't see a game called Demon's Souls 2, of the same game style coming out without someone getting majourly screwed or some absurd profit sharing agreement. It's possible but I'm very doubtful.
 
afaik, FROM have a good business relationship with Namco. If DeSouls2 was a completely different game/franchise that would be different but the Demon/Dark Souls games are practically the same. It's practically guaranteed that it would cannabalize sales of Dark if Demon's was to continue. I personally can't see a game called Demon's Souls 2, of the same game style coming out without someone getting majourly screwed or some absurd profit sharing agreement. It's possible but I'm very doubtful.

It would be on an entirely different platform. There's little to no competition between the two games, which may even be WHY there are no next-gen versions of Dark Souls 2. And honestly, I think most Souls fans would be happy to have Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2 to play.

Unless they're XBOX-only gamers, in which case they're SOL.
 
They should save it for E3 2014 rather than TGS IMO, but either way I'm super excited to see it.

Personally, I think Sony needs to announce some Japanese exclusives sooner rather than later, or the system is going to continue to be completely uninteresting. Waiting all the way until next E3 would be a huge mistake unless they have some serious Japanese megaton waiting in the wings for TGS.

And considering this is Sony we're talking about, I just don't see that happening.
 
I just can't believe that FROM is developing Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2 at the same time. And I don't think Sony would try to develop Demon's Souls 2 somewhere else. So I don't think this means anything.

Edit - Maybe retailers have gotten wise to how GAF makes a fuss of intriguing listings like this, and they're doing it for attention now?


With FROM making an exlcusively current gen Dark Souls? It makes total sense.
 
Personally, I think Sony needs to announce some Japanese exclusives sooner rather than later, or the system is going to continue to be completely uninteresting. Waiting all the way until next E3 would be a huge mistake unless they have some serious Japanese megaton waiting in the wings for TGS.

And considering this is Sony we're talking about, I just don't see that happening.

I agree; I like what we've seen of the PS4 line-up, but it feels like they definitely need a few more Japan-centric games. This and Dark Cloud 3 and Legend of Dragoon 2 would do nicely for starters :)
 

Kyon

Banned
Personally, I think Sony needs to announce some Japanese exclusives sooner rather than later, or the system is going to continue to be completely uninteresting. Waiting all the way until next E3 would be a huge mistake unless they have some serious Japanese megaton waiting in the wings for TGS.

And considering this is Sony we're talking about, I just don't see that happening.

i think you're a little too skeptical and paranoid lol

but... me as a JGamer you didnt exactly lie
 
Does anyone feel like people might get confused with Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2? It seems kind of strange to make a Demon's Souls sequel. I thought Dark Souls was Demon's Souls spiritual successor. Haven't played any of these games yet so I'm looking at it from an outsider perspective.
 

linko9

Member
Please be what Miyazaki's working on... this would be incredible. This is now the second serious rumor that this game is in development. The other came from jeff cannata (I think?) who said the From guys strongly hinted DeS 2 was being made.
 

Bedlam

Member
If it is made by FROM (with Miyazaki as producer), then good on Sony for doing the right thing.

If they handed the IP to another developer, then Sony fucked this one up. There's no way around it.
 
I agree; I like what we've seen of the PS4 line-up, but it feels like they definitely need a few more Japan-centric games. This and Dark Cloud 3 and Legend of Dragoon 2 would do nicely for starters :)

I think I'd rather see Sony premiere an entirely new JRPG IP than bring back Dark Cloud or LOD, personally. Just feels like it's been a bit too long with them dormant for a revival to do very well. And personally, I was never a big fan of Dragoon. Wild ARMs was way cooler, until it went super anime in the PS2 entries.

Souls is new and fresh enough in the gaming consciousness that a sequel makes sense, but Dark Cloud and LoD have both been dead for a long time.

i think you're a little too skeptical and paranoid lol

but... me as a JGamer you didnt exactly lie

Skeptical? Yeah, a bit. Paranoid? Not at all. :p
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
Make Dark more open worldy. Make Demon's more hub based.

Either one will get to buy a next gen console.
 

Hindle

Banned
I don't doubt Demons Souls II is happening, but I can't see From Software working on it. Miazaki is likely working on Dark Souls III, aimed at the next gen. I say this because Dark Souls II is likely to be a big seller, I'm talking 4m or over.

It would make sense they'd want to build on the momentum and make Dark Souls III so they can sell even more. Making a sequel to Denon Souls however would be a step back as the momentum wouldn't be there.
 
I don't doubt Demons Souls II is happening, but I can't see From Software working on it. Miazaki is likely working on Dark Souls III, aimed at the next gen. I say this because Dark Souls II is likely to be a big seller, I'm talking 4m or over.

It would make sense they'd want to build on the momentum and make Dark Souls III so they can sell even more. Making a sequel to Denon Souls however would be a step back as the momentum wouldn't be there.

Why would Miyazaki skip Dark Souls 2 only to work on Dark Souls 3 instead? I don't think FROM is even considering DS3 until 2 launches. They're not Ubisoft.
 

Hindle

Banned
Why would Miyazaki skip Dark Souls 2 only to work on Dark Souls 3 instead? I don't think FROM is even considering DS3 until 2 launches. They're not Ubisoft.

Money, dude. Dark Souls was a very successful game for From Software. The sequel will do even better, it makes sense they'd want to capitalise on what is a growing series.
 
Miyazaki and Sony have a very close relationship. Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is another team inside FROM that we don't know what they are working on.

Do the math ;)
 
To explain what I said earlier about how it makes sense, there is literally no reason Miyazaki would stop working on Dark Souls 2 unless it was for a different project worthy of more attention than his own baby. The reasoning Namco gave was bullshit of course. It's like konami asking one of Kojima's underlings to take over MGS so they can get a fresh perspective lol.

Combine that with the fact that Sony has expressed regret over the Demon's Souls franchise, and also the common sense that the series is as hot as it gets right now. Also consider that Miyazaki has not revealed his next project and would refuse to say what it was. I think the obvious explanation here is that he is working on DS2 or some sort of new IP that will be still a similar title that Sony will own.

I really don't see any other explanation. And until Miyazaki reveals his game and it's NOT DS2 or whatever then it seems like the obvious answer.

Miyazaki and Sony have a very close relationship. Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is another team inside FROM that we don't know what they are working on.

Do the math ;)
exactly
 
Miyazaki and Sony have a very close relationship. Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is another team inside FROM that we don't know what they are working on.

Do the math ;)

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I can't take this anymore. Demons Souls 2 better be real.
 
Money, dude. Dark Souls was a very successful game for From Software. The sequel will do even better, it makes sense they'd want to capitalise on what is a growing series.

How will the sequel "do even better" when it's going to be on hardware that won't have as many consoles in the wild? There's no guarantee the PS4 and XBONE will do well.

Miyazaki isn't going to NOT work on Dark Souls 2 but secretly be working on Dark Souls 3 the whole time. It makes absolutely no sense, especially considering these are the exact kind of games for which annual sequelitis won't work. They're too complicated and too thought-out. If he wanted to work on Dark Souls, he'd be working on DS2.

Also, Demon's Souls is just as popular as Dark Souls now, and Miyazaki likes working with Sony. If they approached him and asked him to make Demon's Souls 2 for the PS4, he would jump at the chance.
 
J

Jotamide

Unconfirmed Member
If that does happen, it probably would have minimal involvement from FROM. Maybe a completely SCEJ affair.

Nooooooo... Demon's Souls have Nexus and a better atmosphere... for me Demon's Souls is better than Dark Souls.

Exactly.
 

jiggle

Member
having sony fund their next gen engine seems beneficial to all parties involved
also creating a user base for when dark souls 3 drops


only reason I have a hard time believing this is it seems like too good a move for the incompetent scej to make
 
Plus, it's not unusual for first parties to work with third parties to help get them established on a new platform.

There's more precedent for an exclusive Demon's Souls II than something like Dead Rising 3, yet Dead Rising 3's status is completely unsurprising.
 
Money, dude. Dark Souls was a very successful game for From Software. The sequel will do even better, it makes sense they'd want to capitalise on what is a growing series.

But Miyazaki isn't directing Dark Souls 2 because they (I think NAMCO) said that in order for the franchise to evolve it needed new blood. So, it wouldn't really make sense for them to take him off DS2 and then turn around and put him on Dark Souls 3.
 
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