GoofsterStud
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I no longer have interest in the game.
Every time I see it I care less...
Every time I see it I care less...
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Watch Dogs: On doubts everything is scripted, PS4 vs Xbox One, PC version
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Templar_Dante
Banned
I read your comment..
Then I thought WTF..
Then I saw your name
I expected as much. Keep the torch burning and all.
Ofcourse MS have a secret sauce, they lied when they said they didnt want to go high end for graphics. They love us gamers. They always dreamed of having our babies. That must be true love.
Same. That E3 footage of Watch_Dogs and AC were pathetic at best. Both played like current gen games and looked just like it too. Ubi seem to have lost the plot with their open world games after AC:Brotherhood. They've been horrible since. This game will be more of the same. Im sure of it.
TrojanBlade
Member
That's my question why the devs can't make the PS4 closer to the PC version if it has indeed more power than X1? They already have the PC version with superior textures lighting etc, why not use those assets for PS4? It will be BS if they don't do this. On other hand if PS4 has no advantages over X1 then of course then I don't expect any difference. But we all know it is not the truth.
Templar_Dante
Banned
^ THIS.
PS4 must be closer to the PC ports and from there they should downgrade it for the Xbone.
ChorusLindarr
Banned
DF will do a tear down post release of this game, and will conclude (begrudgingly) that the PS4 is the better version. Then they will go on to rubbish both console versions and emphasise that the PC version is the "definitive version".
Then many Gaf fanboys will cry bitter tears, and many more will re-quote the OP from this thread as they revel in the growing lake of salty wetness sloshing about around there feet.
Then part of Gaf will declare dev and publisher PR mouthpieces as liars, and the resultant tumult that ensues from the internal fanboy conflict, meltdowns and flamewars will engender the biggest Bish banhammer bloodbath that Gaf has ever seen...
Many will gorge themselves insensate on the carnal revels of fanboy meltdowns.. many longtime posters will be lost to the raging conflagration... and the rest will mourn only those whom by reason of being unable to stand, and maintiain their composure during the tempestual firestorm, find themselves ejected from the community for the ignominious reproach of banbets and lies and FUD and death(/permaban)...
(So saith the book of Gaf 3:47)
Then many Gaf fanboys will cry bitter tears, and many more will re-quote the OP from this thread as they revel in the growing lake of salty wetness sloshing about around there feet.
Then part of Gaf will declare dev and publisher PR mouthpieces as liars, and the resultant tumult that ensues from the internal fanboy conflict, meltdowns and flamewars will engender the biggest Bish banhammer bloodbath that Gaf has ever seen...
Many will gorge themselves insensate on the carnal revels of fanboy meltdowns.. many longtime posters will be lost to the raging conflagration... and the rest will mourn only those whom by reason of being unable to stand, and maintiain their composure during the tempestual firestorm, find themselves ejected from the community for the ignominious reproach of banbets and lies and FUD and death(/permaban)...
(So saith the book of Gaf 3:47)
It fooled most of GAF.
Smelly Tramp
Member
If its the same copy & paste side missions over the whole map like in far cry 3 then count me out. They keep mentioning how dynamic and "systemic" it is, but i'd honestly prefer scripted missions if it meant each one actually felt different from the last, rather than the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER again.
Won't be able to trust the ridiculous reviews of it either.
Won't be able to trust the ridiculous reviews of it either.
Dat GDDR5 being put to good use. Oh wait..
None of is should be surprised, it will be the exact same as last generation with multiplats with PS4 seeing some minor differences. What is interesting is that they are using the touchpad, and maybe the Kinect Sensor too.
PS4 will only really see true utilisation with it's first party ie less than 15% of titles
None of is should be surprised, it will be the exact same as last generation with multiplats with PS4 seeing some minor differences. What is interesting is that they are using the touchpad, and maybe the Kinect Sensor too.
PS4 will only really see true utilisation with it's first party ie less than 15% of titles
(yes I pulled that figure out of my ass lol)
Dictator93
Member
Noticed this also.
sonic moob
Banned
SilentFlyer
Member
Here is an other interview of Dominic Guay by nowgamer.
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1987185/nextgen_it_will_take_a_while_to_use_full_power_of_those_machines_says_watch_dog_producer.html
Is he saying in reference with Next vs Crrent gen or PS4 vs XboxOne? As per my understanding it seems later.
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1987185/nextgen_it_will_take_a_while_to_use_full_power_of_those_machines_says_watch_dog_producer.html
Is he saying in reference with Next vs Crrent gen or PS4 vs XboxOne? As per my understanding it seems later.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I don't know about that, I'm sure that PS3 and 360 mostly run same but the look (visual) are different, nearly every 3rd party games as it seem.
Maybe you could be right because PS3 and 360 GPUs are not from same company. The next gen will have both from AMD. But I have heard both are not the same chips, so we might see the different, mostly on IQ.
Metalmurphy
Member
What a load of bs. There is absolutely no way the E3 car crash is possible on a dynamic system. It was just too perfect. The other cars movement and the NPC reaction post crash were just a dead giveaway.
They are almost the same console except the PS4 has a 33% more powerful graphics card (if the Xbox one GPU rumours are true) yet people are talking like we have a Wii vs 360/ps3 difference here lol.
God the meltdowns on here are going to be legendary in a few months time when people are really struggling to find many differences between games on both consoles, its going to be great!.
SJRB
Gold Member
Don't TELL us the systems are dynamic, SHOW us.
At this point I feel the best thing Ubi can do is just release a 10-minute gameplay video. Uncut, unedited, just straight up gameplay. People will remain sceptical about certain gameplay elements until proven otherwise, and rightfully so.
Release a gameplay video in which the player causes a few traffic accidents, raises a bridge or two, hacks some people. Just the full spectrum of gameplay.
In all fairness - the traffic accident in the E3 demo wasn't scripted and was dynamic. If you compare the footage of Ubisoft's E3 livestage demo and the regular E3 gameplay demo video they released, there are differences [placement of cars after the accident, etc].
At this point I feel the best thing Ubi can do is just release a 10-minute gameplay video. Uncut, unedited, just straight up gameplay. People will remain sceptical about certain gameplay elements until proven otherwise, and rightfully so.
Release a gameplay video in which the player causes a few traffic accidents, raises a bridge or two, hacks some people. Just the full spectrum of gameplay.
In all fairness - the traffic accident in the E3 demo wasn't scripted and was dynamic. If you compare the footage of Ubisoft's E3 livestage demo and the regular E3 gameplay demo video they released, there are differences [placement of cars after the accident, etc].
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=13270
Hail the cloud!
I'm not quite sure if he is really comparing PS4 and X1.
SJRB
Gold Member
He's not, it's a comparison between current gen and next gen versions. The emphasis on next-gen versions isn't as much on graphic fidelity as it is "under the hood" stuff like water rendering, more npcs on screen, AI, particles and stuff like that.
It hasn't simply 33% more powerful graphic card. But surely the first waves of next generation will not show great differences. But the second waves of ps4 multiplat should start to show notable differences, I imagine.
I call BS. The advances that are made late in a generation are usually due to lower FOVs, lower resolution and smart level design. We are long past utilizing the true potential of hardware, it's there. Both consoles are comparable and the GPU hardware they have has been long known on PC. If they don't see a major difference it's because there is none. PS4 rumours of overheating GDDR5 RAM might be true after all. Or those DMEs on X1 are truly secret sauce and quite powerful. This is not a case of Cell which was unknown tech and allowed for some improvements over time, this is PC tech. Familiar territory for any programmer. If we don't see a 60 % increase in graphical fidelity on PS4 it's because the 0.8 difference in teraflops is just on paper and does not exist in real life.
So you just spend $60 mindlessly, then decide later whether it was worth it or not, and don't have any opinions at all about the hobby.
Criticism =/= cynicism. unless you're skittish as hell.
I, on the other hand, am "so fucking glad" I'm not so invested in console wars that I worry about what people on a message board think about a video game console.
tiny raptor
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SketchTheArtist
Member
You guys understand that pretty much every E3 stage demos are scripted to showcase the optimum experience the game has to offer and for time-purposes right? ..........Right?
Ubisoft has already shown they're capable of doing systemic worlds with Far Cry 3 and that was a pretty good first-attempt so I don't have any doubts about WD.
Ubisoft has already shown they're capable of doing systemic worlds with Far Cry 3 and that was a pretty good first-attempt so I don't have any doubts about WD.
Gemüsepizza
Member
This is a comparison between the X1 and discrete PC parts, not a comparison between the X1 and PS4. Guess what, the PS4 will also " far an away outstrip any of those discrete parts" like 7850/7870. So why do you spin it this way?
Dat diplomacy. When was there ever a time when a multiplatform developer said that an unreleased game will look better on a specific unreleased platform? They maybe won't make use of the additional RAM of the PS4, but you can be sure that they will make sure of the addition GPU processing power.
Ahahaha "overheating GDDR5 RAM"? Where is this from? That doesn't make any sense, GDDR5 doesn't need much cooling. My GPU hasn't even cooling elements on the GDDR5 chips. And smh on the "0.8 difference in teraflops only on paper" comment.
But what about the WiiU version... That's the one I want
The guy can only answer the questions he was asked.
Why is so hard for people to realise that the difference isn't as straight forward as a flat percentage difference. That figure difference is a measure of ONLY the ability of each GPU's output. There are a multitude of other factors that make these systems a little hard to measure agianst one another (PS4 is still stronger though, but by what margin?). The RAM is different (PS4 can carry more information faster), their respective latencies are different (X1 can respond faster), the memory subsystem is different (PS4 shared memory, X1 split pool with eSRAM cache).
The only way we can tell is through side by side comparisons, or if devs tell us. The important thing is their architecture makes dev coding a lot easier.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I read your comment..
Then I thought WTF..
Then I saw your name
I expected as much. Keep the torch burning and all.
Ofcourse MS have a secret sauce, they lied when they said they didnt want to go high end for graphics. They love us gamers. They always dreamed of having our babies. That must be true love.
Same. That E3 footage of Watch_Dogs and AC were pathetic at best. Both played like current gen games and looked just like it too. Ubi seem to have lost the plot with their open world games after AC:Brotherhood. They've been horrible since. This game will be more of the same. Im sure of it.
What does this mean? People keep saying it what exactly does that mean? Are you saying that if there wasn't a x360 and ps3 port that game would play differently? How?
Manmademan
Member
the Xbone GPU is 33% less powerful than the PS4's, and the PS4's is 50% more powerful than the Xbone GPU. Math! (there was a VERY, VERY long thread about this in which GAF learned about how percentages work).
but yeah. besides this the PS4 has about 1/3rd more useable RAM, and it all runs at a much higher bandwidth. we're not talking a wii to 360 gap, but PS2 to Xbox1 seems likely.
Pretty much this. As the generation wears on the differences will start to show. For now, I think it's good news for potential xbone owners who would like to play watch dogs.
Devs (or should I say Pubs) like to keep multiplatform development cost as low as possible. Hence the platform parity. In some cases they'll utilise extra power for the console (like exclusive deals) .. I think Destiny is one of these cases.
GDDR5 used to have issues with high heat, but these are non-existent today AFAIK. I'm positive Sony know what they are doing.
They fucking better!
Gemüsepizza
Member
There is no additional cost for flipping a switch in your development enviroment / tools. You do know that you can easily increase settings in a PC game when your GPU is more powerful, for example when you have a 7870 instead of a 7770? Devs can do the same thing for console games. We are not talking about the creation of completely new and unique assets here (which does cost money), we are talking about effects, resolution and framerate.
When was this, 5 years ago?
D
Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
But the guy is a freaking PR man, how the heck does he know what Sony is doing or even understand what Sony did with the RAM.
Can Crusher
Banned
Personally I believe UBI has an habit of hitting it out of the park on first tries. It's their milking that brings it all down.
Moral Panic
Member
Has there EVER been an issue with overheating GDDR5? It's not even that the PS4's runs at a high frequency or they have a high amount of chips.
Can Crusher
Banned
I believe the point many make isn't that the Xbox One is like a Wii U, but rather that the PS4 is simply more powerful and will allow for noticeably better looking games.
"Good enough" isn't good enough for people who are graphics enthusiasts, and you post in a forum where there's a lot of hardcore gamers who are also graphics enthusiasts. Nintendo fans will say Wii U is good enough too, but that doesn't mean that gamers who want the best visuals in a console will think it's good enough. That's the whole point.
Alebrije
Member
bigmit3737
Member
Honestly I thought the word was dynamic as well and has no idea what he meant by systemic.
SJRB
Gold Member
Some people somehow expect the second coming of Christ with the next generation of consoles, like next gen would revolutionize gameplay or something, and don't fully understand how cross-generation game releases and third party launch games work.
Stuff like that always spreads like a plague.