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Yves Guillemot: ZombiU Wasn't Profitable, not even close, no sequel planned
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AstroNut325
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That's the way I see it. The Wii u failing doesn't mean people are out of a job. It means Nintendo needs to rethink their strategy for home consoles. And no they don't need to follow Sony and MS. But at least a GCN tech GPU would help to bring in more third party engine compatibility.
JustAnotherOtaku
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I can see why (new IP on a console that just isn't selling) but it was genuinely great, with some really nice ideas too. Shame.
cyberheater
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Weird, because JP Caro confirmed, a few weeks ago, that they were "working hard on a prototype".
Yeah well that 'prototype' isn't coming to WiiU any time soon. I'm betting it's now being refactored into a Xbox One/PS4 game.
This holiday is PS4 / Xbone's birthday party. WiiU doesn't have a single chance to shine.
Snowden's Secret
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Shhh.
If it had comparable hardware, it would have more games, just like the Gamecube did!
GetemMa
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I'm getting Watch Dogs on the WiiU even though I am getting a PS4 at launch. But, don't expect those numbers to be good. People will only spend so much money on games and if those people are buying WiiUs expect them to be getting Mario 3D World, DK Tropical Freeze, and Wii Fit U.
I think it is a safe prediction that Splinter Cell, AC4, and especially Watch Dogs will tank on WiiU.
:Motorbass
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Don't know if there is an end date. It doesn't say there is one as with other sales. So it's permanent I guess.
or just jokes
Grizzlyjin
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Basically. The Blame Game just jumps around. These are companies, they'll stop making these games the moment they're no longer profitable. EA doesn't hate Nintendo, they just don't see any money to be made. Ubisoft tried, and they got burned, apparently. So what are they doing? Learned their lesson, made the next outing have a higher chance of being profitable.
The Wii U is going to get ports of Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag and Watch_Dogs. And I would not be shocked if Ubisoft moved on if those don't meet their expectations. They're not going to waste time and money on cross gen stuff in 2015 and onward if it doesn't turn a profit.
Thank you. Can someone please find out what Condemned (a similar survivor horror game) sold on the Xbox 360 when it launched? Would make for an interesting comparison!
Father_Brain
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With the power of SmartGlass!
Aaron Strife
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Wii U is in trouble
Nintendo needs to get aggressive in getting games out for this thing and marketing it. And really they're the only ones who can right the ship at this point.
Iwata's strategy of delaying everything until August to have a killer holiday season at the expense of any early momentum from the system coming out in 2012 was ill conceived and I think has clearly backfired. Pikmin 3 and TW101 should have been Q1 games.
Nintendo needs to get aggressive in getting games out for this thing and marketing it. And really they're the only ones who can right the ship at this point.
Iwata's strategy of delaying everything until August to have a killer holiday season at the expense of any early momentum from the system coming out in 2012 was ill conceived and I think has clearly backfired. Pikmin 3 and TW101 should have been Q1 games.
Could this be the rumored 'big game expected to sell millions but only doing a couple tens of thousands in the first months' after all?
In any case, more so than any time before and more than any others, this is Nintendo's largest problem with going the third way. Lack of portability of the games means that AAA game development for the Wii U is even less tenable than it already was. Seems like Nintendo really was 100% unprepared for HD. It looks like it's actually going to save the two other consoles locked in their arms race.
Nintendo should basically hope for indie and their own games to salvage the system. But even Indies are better off going for PC+PS3 because the games can more easily be ported over.
In any case, more so than any time before and more than any others, this is Nintendo's largest problem with going the third way. Lack of portability of the games means that AAA game development for the Wii U is even less tenable than it already was. Seems like Nintendo really was 100% unprepared for HD. It looks like it's actually going to save the two other consoles locked in their arms race.
Nintendo should basically hope for indie and their own games to salvage the system. But even Indies are better off going for PC+PS3 because the games can more easily be ported over.
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Yep. I agree. Nintendo had a year to get things right on WiiU. They failed massively. I'm now starting to accept it's a dead machine.
Hopefully, we'll see a true Zelda and SM64/Galaxy sequel on it. I'm not holding out for much more.
It sold enough to warrant a sequel, at least.
akidnamededdy
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How many third party exclusive franchises even exist anymore on 360/PS3?
AAA game development killed the third party exclusive, not Nintendo.
Buggy Loop
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Although im planning to buy ZombiU the same day i'll purchase a WiiU because im a fan of horror games, lets not kid ourselves about the potential the game had.
1) Uninspired cover
2) Bad franchise name
3) Bad mainstream reviews all around
4) Bugs? Bugs, and Ubisoft didnt even bother to fix them.
5) Little to no marketing
This game with the average score it pulled off would've flopped on any platforms, i think peoples are forgetting how gamers have become very picky with game purchases, and most gamers outside of hardcore ones will only glance at the review score. Under 9.0 its probably not even on the radar of 95% of gamers.
Many games suffered of this this gen, wont change next gen.
1) Uninspired cover
2) Bad franchise name
3) Bad mainstream reviews all around
4) Bugs? Bugs, and Ubisoft didnt even bother to fix them.
5) Little to no marketing
This game with the average score it pulled off would've flopped on any platforms, i think peoples are forgetting how gamers have become very picky with game purchases, and most gamers outside of hardcore ones will only glance at the review score. Under 9.0 its probably not even on the radar of 95% of gamers.
Many games suffered of this this gen, wont change next gen.
Or just regular iOS/Android apps: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-convinced-second-screen-gaming-is-the-future
What survival horror games featuring zombies have been top ten titles recently?
Yeah, it would obviously be nice if the hardware was BETTER, but that's not at all the reason it's doing so badly. It's plenty competent and will continue to be, much moreso than Wii to the PS3/360. There's just not enough games; CERTAINLY not from Nintendo, who will drive the hardware most.
And I know a lot of people will say they only want the system for Nintendo games, but my goodness, third parties bring some amazing games to the table and it would be a shame for them to leave the Wii U out of the equation. We need more games like ZombiU and NFS: Most Wanted U. They're really good. I just wish they would sell more.
How accurate is the 450k figure? Because that would be decent to good sales for a launch game. I guess it's not accurate?
Times have changed, you can't compare them. If the dude from EA is right and we're close to 25 'AAA' developers worldwide, it's pretty obvious that in the Sega Saturn times with cheaper development and more publishers there was more support on any console.
Times have changed, you can't compare them. If the dude from EA is right and we're close to 25 'AAA' developers worldwide, it's pretty obvious that in the Sega Saturn times with cheaper development and more publishers there was more support on any console.
moltonasty
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Scary.
Mengy
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Weird, because JP Caro confirmed, a few weeks ago, that they were "working hard on a prototype".
Now that's interesting. I wonder if the sequel is for other consoles instead of the WiiU?
WrenchNinja
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That's one of the dumbest things I've read on Gaf for a while. Why on earth would you buy the WiiU version if you're getting a launch PS4? It makes no sense.
ebullientprism
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I wonder if the people who were blaming the third parties in the other thread blame Ubisoft for this as well.
Synth_floyd
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I wonder if the videogame market is even large enough anymore for 3 major consoles. It seems likely that the WiiU will continue low sales this year, especially with the onslaught of the PS4 and XB1 coming. What is Nintendo's response? Keep supporting the WiiU as a zombie console with little to no 3rd party support and the occasional Mario/Zelda game coming out? When do they launch their next console? Do they decide to bail on the home console market entirely?
I think people are salty about Ubi delaying a ready-to-release game several months.
DeuceGamer
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I would hope that anyone with a Wii U went in with eyes wide open, but I also realize that's probably unrealistic. I'm happy with my Wii U so far, but I never expected it to be my only console, at any point. Like recent Nintendo consoles, Wii U looks like it will have a solid lineup of exclusive titles (mostly 1st Party with the occassional 3rd Party Exclusive) that are must plays for me. It also looks like it will miss out on a lot of 3rd Party Titles. This has come to be expected unfortunately and until there is proof this has changed, I will be expecting this from Nintendo moving forward and would suggest others do the same.
If subpar game like (I'm being nice here) Dead Island can pull millions, you can't deny zombie games are popular.
The game is about using your smartphone to hack stuff...
Guess which system has a mandatory tablet built right into the system?
CosmicQueso
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It is not accurate. At all. It's laughingly inaccurate, actually.
If they did that, there would be a lot of angry burned wii u owners. People expect 5+ years of support for a console.
guys... just a little observation; no tinfoil conspiracy or anything; just an observation:
in the article cited on the OP... there isn't a DIRECT QUOTE of Yves Guillemot saying that the game wasn't profitable; or that the Rayman situation was derived of that.
I studied journalism in college, and there's a rule that says that everytime you paraphrase something, you put the corresponding quote afterwards to back it up. you can see that they use that rule with the Activision and EA guys, but in the case of Ubisoft, there isn't a real quote, just the paraphrasis of the journalist. The only Ubisoft quote there is the one that it says that they are gonna wait for the holidays to evaluate the situation. There's nothing there about ZombiU or Rayman, except the journalist assumptions.
I'm not saying he's lying or something, but I find it pretty weird that he has direct quotes from the other two guys, and not the Ubisoft guy.
in the article cited on the OP... there isn't a DIRECT QUOTE of Yves Guillemot saying that the game wasn't profitable; or that the Rayman situation was derived of that.
I studied journalism in college, and there's a rule that says that everytime you paraphrase something, you put the corresponding quote afterwards to back it up. you can see that they use that rule with the Activision and EA guys, but in the case of Ubisoft, there isn't a real quote, just the paraphrasis of the journalist. The only Ubisoft quote there is the one that it says that they are gonna wait for the holidays to evaluate the situation. There's nothing there about ZombiU or Rayman, except the journalist assumptions.
I'm not saying he's lying or something, but I find it pretty weird that he has direct quotes from the other two guys, and not the Ubisoft guy.
GetemMa
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I know but really. The PS4 version looks stunning.
Yes but surely Ubisoft didn't expect to sell more than a similar game at launch for 360. Not Nintendo's fault they didn't budget accordingly.
Yeah, ceo must be lying because game companies hate nintendo.
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They don't deserve it.
Get if for the PS4. It's a better choice. You know it. I know it.
Damn, I didn't even pick up on that...back to class for me.
fart town usa
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Seriously. It boggles the mind that Nintendo has been so slow with development. What the hell have they been doing since the Wii died off a few years back?
Also, if Mark Cerny is to be taken at face value, the PS4 will have developers having engines up and running in as little as 1-3 months, the same timeframe as PSX development. If studios have it so easy, why would they bother with "maybe" making a profit on the WiiU?
WiiU will be dead in 18-24 months I'm guessing. I'd be happy with Iwata being fired.
Grizzlyjin
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Have they even showed the Wii U version before? Or even the PS3 or Xbox 360 versions for that matter?
This is Ubisoft, they have a history of janky performance at launch with their games. If all they've been showing since 2012 is the "next gen" versions, the smart money would be on getting the Xbox One, PS4 or PC versions. I wouldn't trust them trying to downport and make it work on the other consoles. It's like them trying to get the original Assassin's Creed working on the PS2 or Xbox in my eyes.