What exactly did you think the bolded was referring to in this context then, if not ZombiU and then Rayman going multiplatform?
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Yves Guillemot: ZombiU Wasn't Profitable, not even close, no sequel planned
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What exactly did you think the bolded was referring to in this context then, if not ZombiU and then Rayman going multiplatform?
That Dude John
Member
This does seem quite important.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Then why are you buying a PS4 then? So that it fails. That's moronic.
You're trying hard, but it's not quite enough.
It's all Nintendo. Their desire to innovate on controls first and on power second has never and will never benefit them in the long run. Any game designed to be used with their controllers first can't be ported successfully to the other platforms. As proven last gen, hardcore 3rd party Wii titles didn't sell as well as they could have.
This is going to continue to be the case as long as Nintendo does their own thing. Which is fine for Nintendo games but fans shouldn't be surprised or angry that 3rd parties don't support the platform.
CouldBeWorse
Member
Well...you might want to wait and see if that's even going to be released.
I had to hold my nose to put that on the list, but some people still love the Live name for some reason and it will sell decently as long as it's at least moderately playable.
But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it doesn't make it. They never even showed a full 5-on-5 game being played, did they?
toastyToast
Member
I thought this was the best selling 3rd party game. God damn!
I would be curious how much a late port of ZombiU would sell now on other consoles.
The Last of Us is not a zombie shooter.
Tripolygon
Banned
And The walking Dead winning GoTY
fart town usa
Gold Member
Calm down. I wasn't directing everything at you, just at the general mindset people have about ZombiU when most people haven't even played it. If you think my conclusions are off then you're missing the signs about what has been going on in the games industry this last gen. A game like ZombiU would have most likely done well on the original Xbox, ps2 or GCN. The stigma associated around games that aren't considered AAA is nauseating and it's one of the main reasons lots of good, mid-tier games are neglected. In this case, the WiiU not being strong in the market didn't help but still, my mid-tier rant still stands.
CouldBeWorse
Member
If they fail, the console industry dies and everyone moves to PC, mobile, and handhelds. You actually want that to happen? How incredibly short-sighted can you get?
Heart Attack
Member
It was in previous gens. I'm not shitting more than $200 for a Nintendo System.
GetemMa
Member
What are you basing the "crappy games sell at launch" theory on?
ZombiU got horrendous reviews from IGN, Gamespot, and Gameinformer, also known as the top 3 most popular videogame publications in the United States. All of which made for a sub 80 metacritic score which pretty much means death for new franchises.
It didn't have much hope from the start. I don't know how it is logical to blame poor press for ZombiU on Nintendo.
Ouch.
you are in for some quite wake up call, bro.
But it's ok to have a dream, man. Sky is the limit!
Uh. Let's see.
Remember Resistance?
Remember Perfect Dark Zero?
Both sold over a million copies despite their 'lack of quality'.
First and foremost it's nintendo's responsibility to sell the console so don't think I'm trying to say anything otherwise.
With that in mind though, 3rd parties didn't really do much to ensure their launch titles succeeded.
- Terrible ZombiU boxart, next to zero marketing
- Previous year's versions of Madden and Fifa, no marketing
- Full priced ME3 with the trilogy available on other platforms
- Late announcements for CoD, no DLC
- Poorly optimized ports in general
I'm of the opinion though that marketing makes or breaks 99% of products in this industry. You can have great reviews and a great product but with no marketing? Good luck. Word of mouth occasionally gets stuff out there but it's just not reliable at all. While price and lineup are definitely big issues with the wii u, the marketing was so atrocious it was destined to fail. I'm not even talking about that dubstep commercial everyone was annoyed about. The amount of exposure the console got was terrible. Nintendo did so little to intelligently promote the platform. They spent peanuts on the marketing. Back in 2006, you couldn't flip through 10 channels without seeing a Wii advert or turn on the radio without hearing about the latest craze.
People say Reggie is just a figurehead, that he's just a puppet, and while that's true, he plays a major role in allocating marketing dollars and approving adverts for his territories. If there's any reason for him to be fired, it's the botched marketing of the wii u. If PS4 has the same caliber of marketing as the wii u, it'd do terribly too. I really believe that.
With that in mind though, 3rd parties didn't really do much to ensure their launch titles succeeded.
- Terrible ZombiU boxart, next to zero marketing
- Previous year's versions of Madden and Fifa, no marketing
- Full priced ME3 with the trilogy available on other platforms
- Late announcements for CoD, no DLC
- Poorly optimized ports in general
I'm of the opinion though that marketing makes or breaks 99% of products in this industry. You can have great reviews and a great product but with no marketing? Good luck. Word of mouth occasionally gets stuff out there but it's just not reliable at all. While price and lineup are definitely big issues with the wii u, the marketing was so atrocious it was destined to fail. I'm not even talking about that dubstep commercial everyone was annoyed about. The amount of exposure the console got was terrible. Nintendo did so little to intelligently promote the platform. They spent peanuts on the marketing. Back in 2006, you couldn't flip through 10 channels without seeing a Wii advert or turn on the radio without hearing about the latest craze.
People say Reggie is just a figurehead, that he's just a puppet, and while that's true, he plays a major role in allocating marketing dollars and approving adverts for his territories. If there's any reason for him to be fired, it's the botched marketing of the wii u. If PS4 has the same caliber of marketing as the wii u, it'd do terribly too. I really believe that.
plantedunicorn
Member
What the fuck is going on at Nintendo HQ? You would think they would've given the only 3rd party that is willing to support them some assurances that they'll do whatever possible to make sure that their games will be successful. Nintendo should be co marketing Ubisoft's games like they're 1st party. But Nintendo is not even willing to market the damn system not to talk of the games.
This is extreme but I'm kinda now expecting no 3rd party games to be released on the Wii U after COD: Ghosts and that's even if that version exists. Are there any 3rd party games that are announced for 2014?
This is extreme but I'm kinda now expecting no 3rd party games to be released on the Wii U after COD: Ghosts and that's even if that version exists. Are there any 3rd party games that are announced for 2014?
GetemMa
Member
I was mocking people who openly wish for systems to fail.
derp
GregLombardi
Member
Such colossal stupidity from the market leader of last generation regarding its future console.
It's almost like the PS3 all over again.
It's almost like the PS3 all over again.
abstract alien
Member
Oh fuck me...
lastflowers
Banned
Yeah, after looking at the Wii's output, this was pretty much what I was expecting.
Bolded is pretty much the same reason I impulse bought on Friday whilest perusing a gamestop. Plus, their multiplayer games are great for when I have friends over and we can play some vidya games. NSMB2 was fun for a hour or so. I was fully planning on purchasing a wiiu come a price drop, but figured what the hey. I was certainly glad to see how cheap the games are for the system on amazon and at gamestop.
Canis lupus
Member
The WiiU is in worse shape than the PS3 ever was.
Rush2thestart
Member
Why didnt they use a direct quote? I dunno, smells like gaming journalism summarizing to me. Especially considering there has been teasing of Zombi U 2
I disagree. There is a lot of money to be made in that direction. With the increased focus on online, there'll be a lot of revenue flowing in. The direction Nintendo is going is where there is nothing. It's better to fight for something than be left in that corner with nothing.
Casuals aren't so easy to bring in right now. Wii was fortunate enough to be releasing before the smartphone explosion and the the success of the iPhone changing everything. Targeting casuals and Nintendo fans at the expense of everything is a short-sighted move. It won't work as your core audience. Nintendo fans are a minority. They're pointless in the grand scheme of things. Trying to gain the casual market is a much harder task now than it was back in 2007 too. There have been huge changes since then. It's easy to say 'you should target the casual market' as if there are a tremendous amount of ideas but it's much harder to do well than anything else. Making another cheap console to target the casuals is a short sighted move, just like it was relying on this gimmick where they've managed to isolate themselves even further.
They had seven years and an early release. They should've launched a comparable console with similar architecture, focused on their online service more, and tried to eat into the potential marketshare of the future Xbox One and PS4. It's not like Microsoft and Sony are so powerful that people are going to wait just for them. Had Nintendo created a generational jump themselves, with more involved support from third parties, plenty of people would have jumped in.
They're trying hard to differentiate themselves and making the Nintendo brand even less relevant in the process.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp, or shouldn't be for a business. The industry is moving in one direction. Move with them, and tweak things to change your brand image if you like. That, at least, ensures some things for you and makes it less of a gamble. Don't bloody jump off a cliff on the other side.
The Wii was understandable. It was necessary and it worked out fantastic. It put them in a strong position. But, somehow, they managed to mess that up by trying another cheap gimmick.
Forget the PS4. If a console like the Xbox One launched in 2012, there'd be a lot of interested people. It's a whole year where there is nothing like it. There is a clear distinction to be made too between it and existing consoles like the PS3/360. Third parties who are already moving in that direction can also create cross-generation titles too at a lesser expense, whilst also getting ready for the upcoming Microsoft/Sony consoles. It's an easy move to gain market share and build a new brand image upon your existing one.
Nintendo just goes out there with another gimmick, a stupid name, no multi-media functionality, poor online/accounts system, and isolates itself further from the general gaming industry. It's no surprise the Wii U is struggling because they made every mistake possible with it.
prag16
Banned
Really? What the hell was the budget? By all appearances it seemed relatively low budget-ish.
Nah, ubi claimed multiplat ports only cost them 1 million.
Nah, ubi claimed multiplat ports only cost them 1 million.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The Last of Us.
Minecraft (
)State of Decay
Walking Dead
Dead Island (and its expansion pack sequel)
even something as super niche as Lollipop Chainsaw shipped 700k units. Dunno how many sold, but any argument the market doesnt want zombie games is going to meet with hysterical laughter.
Isn't the Wii U tracking behind the $599 PS3 right now (or at least in NA)?
shadowsdarknes
Member
Yeah, despite the PS3 having a much smaller library, a 600 dollar price tag, and a competitor who was doing everything much better than Sony, the PS3 still never sold as poorly as the Wii U, which actually has much more games.
ElektroDragon
Banned
greaaat...
Probably the best Wii U game right now.
I completely agree with this sentiment. Best non-Nintendo console exclusive, and honestly, probably best Wii U game period given NintendoLand is a fancy tech demo, and NSMBU is good but a rehash. Lego is Lego and MH3U is.... well, a port of a portable game that still looks and feels like a port of a portable game.
Cbajd5
Member
That worked out so well for them with Rayman Legends after all...
shinobi602
Member
Jesus, Nintendo......
Someone hire this man.
At least the PS2 was firmly in first place during the last generational transition. Despite being ahead overall thanks to amazing early sales, the Wii had been in third place for monthly hardware sales for quite some time before the Wii U launched. They had even less reason than Sony did in 2006 to think that they were unassailable.
Chittagong
Gold Member
In survival horror game Zombi U...
...the survival horror was about Wii U
...the survival horror was about Wii U
that's the thing, without the entire quote, we don't know, and the writer of the article can use the quote however he wants...
based on the structure of the ARTICLE, I'd say ZombiU and Rayman... but again, the journalist is the one that decided the order of the paragraphs and how to use the quotes. We don't know if Guillemot was talking about AC4 and SC before that quote. We just have to trust him.
again, I'm not acusing the guy of anything, and I'm not saying there's a big conspiracy or something... I'm saying the article is bad written and inconsistent (considering the other two guys are perfectly paraphrased and quoted), and we shouldn't be building all this drama around it... specially if we don't have concise sales numbers and the game isn't exactly AAA material in terms of development cost.
GetemMa
Member
I do remember Perfect Dark Zero
Gamespot - 9.0
IGN - 8.4
Gameiformer - 7.0
and Resistence
Gamespot - 9.0
IGN - 9.1
Gameinformer - 9.5
thanks for proving my point.
Zombie game or not, if you think reviews don't directly and drastically influence sales, you are delusional. Devs are having Metacritic averages as a part of their bonuses when contracts are drawn up. That is fact.
GrimDarkDarrel
Member
The only game I was looking forward to playing on WiiU. Still haven't bought one, been waiting for more good games, now I might never buy one.
Nintendo's own games are not enough.
Nintendo's own games are not enough.
You forgot to include a comment about Nintendo going third party.
The Last of Us.
Minecraft (
State of Decay
Walking Dead
Dead Island (and its expansion pack sequel)
even something as super niche as Lollipop Chainsaw shipped 700k units. Dunno how many sold, but any argument the market doesnt want zombie games is going to meet with hysterical laughter.
3 indie games that don't sell at $60, and The Last of Us is a Sony exclusive with a deep, rich story that has been in development for 4 years developed by a studio with a great history of making games. It may be the best game this year as well, and I'm including GTA 5 in that discussion.
I think it says that to justify a full $60 price tag for a Horror game, you have to be something pretty special, and while ZombiU is a different type of game, it was also rough around the ages, charged $60, and lacked online multiplayer(which I'm not sure why can't be patched in), and is 'boxed' in as a horror title.
I'm a Wii U owner, and I don't play horror titles in general, so I didn't pick this up despite hearing some good things about it. Guess I'm to blame for not doing my small part.
As for Nintendo and 3rd Parties, its a bit of a catch-22. 3rd parties claim they don't sell well on Nintendo systems, so people who buy Nintendo consoles in turn look at it as a Nintendo box, and typically only buy Nintendo games on it. Both Nintendo and 3rd Parties publishers need to convince people that buying 3rd party games is viable on the Wii U.
...And on the 3DS for that matter. The fact that that Western 3rd Party publishers aren't taking advantage of a 30 million+ userbase is amazing.
Red Steel
Gamespot - 5.5
IGN - 6.0
Gameinformer - 7.5
At least 1 million sales worldwide.
Reviews matter, but less so at launch if your game has a decent hook and some advertising.
Tripolygon
Banned
I did not claim your conclusions were off, I'm merely putting my comment in context. Its rather presuming and a bit insolent of you to assume i'm not paying attention to what is going on in the industry isn't it? Here on GAF you often come across people who claim indie games are not games or rather cannot be as good or better than multi million dollar budget AAA games and others would claim point and click adventure games or whatever david cage does is not a game and yes it is nauseating reading such comments. I often just shake my head and move on but sometimes i can't help but reply.
plantedunicorn
Member
Yeah that went multiplatform but they're still getting the game and that's better than nothing. At the rate at the Wii U is going they won't be getting any 3rd party support at all.
And then we have Red Steel
Gamespot - 5.5
IGN - 6.0
GameInformer - 7.5
Marketing is much more important than reviews. The most recent example is Aliens: Colonial Marines.
The Last of Us will be a better game, but "a much better survival"?
If you've played ZombiU, you need play it again and finish it.