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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
- Thread starter Canis lupus
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Haha, I figured that out quick. Was obvious to me.
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I've never played them.
Jk
jonscrambler
Member
now that we know only 4.5-5.5GB on PS4 would be available for games, how much of that would be used for video? half of that? so it has no advantage over a PC video card that has 2-3GB GDDR5. as for CPU tasks the CPU on PS4 only has 20GB/s bandwidth, so no advantage there over PC's DDR3 either.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
$1000 every 3 years? Haha. Someone is doing something wrong if that is the cycle and price they buy PCs in. My last gaming PC prior to me upgrading lasted about 5 years. By the end of its gaming life I had to turn down certain graphics options, but it still looked better than the console versions of the same game.
When I finally upgraded last summer I used the same case, keyboard, mouse, DVD drive which saved a significant amount money. I could've used the same hard drive as well but I wanted a SATA III drive instead of the II that was in there.
$1000 every three years is not valid assessment of what is required for a gaming PC. Also how much is PSN/LIVE going to cost over 5 years? That adds $250 right there. Console games usually cost more and their prices stay higher longer. I game on both consoles and PCs and the cost difference isn't just A vs. B, many factors come out in the long run to make the costs closer than you would think.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Yeah man this conspiracy runs so deep. Remember that one speech Obama gave telling parents to "turn off the xbox"? I'm sure that's somehow involved.
Been gone most of the day. Can someone give me a good breakdown of what's happened in the past few hours? I've seen some references to insider statements but can't track them down.
It was going to be at some point but the contract didn't get signed.
jonscrambler
Member
You can easily build a $800 PC with a $300 Radeon 7950, which has 3GB GDDR5 and already 50% more powerful than PS4's GPU.
compare that to the cost of $400 PS4, and pay $50 a year for online for its life cycle (8 years?).
they cost the same!
I don't know about conspiracy, but I question it being allowed. It does cause one to miss it. I was looking for the old thread title and just realized this was it.
Did a mod do it?
GPU and CPU alone, if you're going for particularly mid-range, would be about $700. More if you're going high-end. It's not an exact science, however. Never claimed it was, just gave averages.
Monthly costs are not comparable to lump sums. While it's natural to think of it in a retrospective way, it's not realistic.
I do agree with you on many things there though (cost of games, etc). I'm not saying PS4 > PC or something. I'm a PC gamer. I'm just saying that the PS4 is a nice alternative and that any complaints [solely] against the amount of RAM are unfounded. The actual power of the GPU/CPU is a whole other issue.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Holy sweet Jesus mother Mary of god
Saberus
Member
Mass hysteria and console wars
It does not mean thuway was not deliberately spewing wrong info. What's funnier his bs was debunked like 20 minutes later.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
That was heavily hinted by a LOT of people, in and out of GAF, some even more reliable than thuway. Kinda weird how the trailer on the square enix youtube channel doesn't have the xbox trademarks, don't you think?
zeopower6
Member
A lot of people thought that... even Kagari and others. Seems like things changed though DURING E3 since they were in talks about it at the event, I believe.
Essentially insiders say
4.5 guaranteed
1.5 os now
1 bookmarked for things they may need to add to os (in reaction to features in xbone which become popular for eg party chat for ps3)
1 is flexible available to dev but it's heap memory not stack as of now.
They could free up the 1 back from os in the future and streamline the rest accordingly . Basically Sony is playing it safe . Also devs seem that some of these comments and discussions are way overblown and are happy with the ram available .
Bottom line 5.5 at launch or so. More later but that could take time
Ironically /r/games thread is a better place to find out what this GAF thread is about. Even links GAF insider posts that have been posted.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
PC Gaming isn't just for the rich anymore, no doubt. Console play is for the exclusives, communities, and plug and play experience.
Saberus
Member
Nicely done.
Because Sony, like Microsoft, realise these cant just be games consoles maybe?
zeopower6
Member
Is that supposed to be 360?
Beerman462
Member
My PC has plug n play since like forever.
That's both funny and sad at the same time.
That's it? Meh. Not a big deal for me if true. If anything it just makes it more ridiculous that the XB1 is still going to be more expensive if it's not that much different than PS4.
Lion Heart
Banned
Just shows you the difference between Sony and Microsoft on GAF. Here you have two exact scenarios across two consoles, but the GAF response for one is much more of a circus show then the other. Lol reminds me of the time someone made a thread comparing exclusives. Within minutes the thread title is changed to show its not "fair" for the Xbox and to take it with a grain of salt.
OK cool. Makes me feel better than I did while reading the article initially. Still disappointing though. Thankfully devs are happy, which is the most comforting thing I could hear. Hopefully stuff opens up later.
I also informed the community Killer Instinct was a Free to Play title, sometimes you just get things wrong no matter what. E3 this year was a time where lots of papers were being shuffled left and right. I do my best to contribute, but I can be wrong too. My apologies dear sir. What do you want me to say?
With whatever little I get (that I'm allowed to share), I try to share it with the community. If that bothers you, you can always block me. Ramadan Mubarak
.Bam Bam Baklava
Member
So the max possible amount is gonna be 6.5 for games down the line?
Tom Brohanks
Banned
It's amusing to see people think this is a big deal. PC games don't even use anywhere near 4GB between what is running in the OS memory space and what is held in GPU RAM. To think the hardware in the PS4 or X1 is ever going to be powerful enough to warrant needing 4+GB of RAM is pretty funny.
PC Gaming is a heck of a lot more community oriented than consoles. Look at it's most popular genres: MMOs and MOBAs, games that highly emphasize team play and social groups.
Sorry if it wasnt clear so basically the 1 bookmarked for the os is for if they need to add extra features later . Like on the 360 once they came with party chat ps3 couldn't implement it because the os didn't have enough memory allocated. They are playing it safe this gen and saying for now were keeping this extra 1 gb for os incase we have to implement something unforeseen in the future z
Ever stop to think, that perhaps it was, and Microsoft came in at the last minute and secured another moneyhat?
Uno Venova
Banned
It's kind of funny that they are both people who are upset that the reactions aren't bad enough and want it to be as bad as the XB1 reactions, and people who are upset that people did overreact too much in this thread.
Yes, but not all games will be p2p. It depends if the dev/publisher wants to set up dedicated servers or not with Amazon/Google/etc.
Either way your previous post was very misleading in more ways than one.
freefornow
Gold Member
Wow.Way to re-write the story. Where does the 1.5 for OS come from? Feels like there is some salt affecting interpretations. Get over it.4.5-5.5 is plenty. Dick waving contest can still be won with these figures.
Moral Panic
Member
Sure it was, lol
So I guess that means they out-bid Sony?
DF wouldnt be biased too!
dynamitejim
Member
Reserving 1GB of memory for something you "might" need in the future is entirely stupid. Especially if your OS is already 1.5GB to begin with. That's basically saying you're going to have to add an entire operating system's worth of features at some point. Does anyone seriously believe Sony is going to add that much given what the PS4 can currently do with 1.5GB?
Sony bid? Final Fantasy Versus was exclusive to PS3 to begin with.
moai
Member
yeah, title change makes difficult to follow this thread. it should be something clear about what's going on.
I did a thread search for this after seeing it on another site, and couldn't find anything. I thought it was incredibly bizarre that NeoGAF wouldn't be talking about this, but then I found the incredibly cryptic thread title... then I remembered which side of the fence this site is on.