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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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dummydecoy
Member
Goddamn PS4 OS better be snappy as fuck if it's gonna sit on 3.5 GB of GRRD5.
PS3 in-game XMB usage is a sad affair.
PS3 in-game XMB usage is a sad affair.
512mb to 1.5gb for the OS.
An extra 1gb earmarked for the future.
The other "flexible 1gb" hasn't been explained. But if they need it, it's there. So it's basically 5.5gb unless the flexible ram requires a virgin sacrifice or something.
TheLegendary
Member
Xbox One's OS is 2 GB with 1 GB for the future
freefornow
Gold Member
OMG. Why is this continuing to be stated as fact.
Based off of insider information. Like you know, the point of this thread.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
In a roundabout way they kinda did...if you consider an NDA with development partners a "moneyhat."
CassiusLonginus
Banned
Haven't we had like 3 different connected people say this from their sources?
qa_engineer
Member
This... This is epic.
thats beginning to be debatable
Have we heard this ANYWHERE from ANY insider? I know you're trying to make a joke, but if you are implying people are just making up stuff pretending to be "insiders," you are wrong.
Actually we don't have ANY facts, even in the OP.
Wouldn't hold my breath. They never confirmed o's memory reserve footprint last gen iirc as that info came like this, From devs.
Anyone upset about this is just due to them setting themselves up for it by buying into total speculation as fact for the past few months
jonscrambler
Member
why do you need a blu ray drive on a gaming PC for ? and here's a CPU for $150, AMD FX-8120, an 8 core CPU running at 3.1Ghz (so 50%+ better than PS4's CPU). the rest of the PC won't cost $350.
Why DF word is better when nobody knows his sources?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Plus, Sony is willing to shave down the OS through optimization and potentially change the alotments further down the road unlike MS who has their limits set in stone.
I can see why Sony is reserving that much for the OS. I don't like it but they have to compete with what the X1 is offering in terms of the multimedia and other stuff. Was it the hardcore gaming machine that everyone expected? Certainly not for my case but it is what it is. I went from an early adopter to a wait and see which system has the better ecosystem because that's where these two console are shooting for with that much ram reserved for OS.
We don't know that yet, do we?
You see I get that. But it all seems like this from devs point of view now: "If Sony ships with 4GB overall, then they're dead in the water".
After the Feb event, developers and managers (like from Unreal) were heaping praise at Sony saying that their requests had been finally fulfilled. So now, it sounds like all they ever wanted was capacity between 4.5 and 5.5GB.
And once again, this "future-proofing" malarkey by Xbone and PS4 via sequestering a whole gigabyte of ram seem less about each other and more about some potential foreign threat from mobile market. Makes me wonder if these manufacturers have forgotten what they are being built for in the first place, esp. PS4. Seldom will people buy "playstation" with the intent of doing multiple things that aren't gaming related (now that Blu-ray players are cheaper than ever) and are also excluded given it's not a xbone. It just boggles the mind that Sony could so much with only 50MB on PS3 and yet struggle to reconfigure their 1.5GB without having to rely on another extra gigabyte.
He's not banned when I searched him now I guess they're waiting on credentials/talking
This doesn't make sense in slightest. Most of the developers were surprised about the 8GB announcement, which means that the system was built around 4GB as some of the leaked documents noted. Sony was developing the OS around 4GB for the majority of the time but once they got the news on the final specs the OS takes a massive jump in resources? Hopefully we get some better sources on this.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Microsoft is forcing Windows 8. They are trying to make the Xbox one into a legitimate Windows 8 machine and I wouldn't be surprised that in their next sales figure announcement, they say that the Windows 8 adoption more than doubled since the surface because of the sales of the Xbox. Also on top of that, just because it still plays games, does not mean that MS still doesn't give it the second class citizen treatment. People are so quick to forget that they are still tv focused and still fighting to be the main component in the living room trying to beat out Apple and Google (Not sure anymore with Chromecast)
What you seem to not understand is, Sony has not said anything on what that extra is for. In this case, I would suspect that they are indeed future proofing the system for things that are unannounced or unaware to us right now and saving something for later just incase. I look at it like this. I won the lottery and I have all this money. Now I don't want to be broke...so for right now, I will put the rest in a CD just in case I might need it for the future. If I don't need it, then I can take it out and invest it somewhere or keep it there to continue to grow when I do need it. Why blow all your money away when you can use it to boost or sustain yourself in the long run?
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Explain how having the same amount of faster RAM available, plus a more powerful GPU for a lower price makes the PS4 a worse or equal "deal."
And remember, we're talking specs, not games (which are purely a matter of opinion).
Sho_Nuff82
Member
ProElite dropped the "MS can increase RAM down the line" tip in this thread iirc.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
I get where you're coming from, but if the amount of RAM going toward games was anything other than amazing, we'd've heard something from some dev complaining--or at the very least, we wouldn't be hearing so much flat out gushing praise.
No, it means they have 1GB earmarked just in case. They have no plan for it yet, I'm assuming. If devs eventually need it, I'd bet they'll open it up to them.
It's not really "funny" at all, considering both precedent and technical viability. If anything, OS memory reservation sizes will shrink throughout a console generation, they'll never grow.
CassiusLonginus
Banned
I think people mean it more about that 1GB that seems to be in limbo. The way I see it, according to the info we have, the OS will for sure have 2.5GB to itself no matter what (and whether they actually use it all or not), and the other 1GB is the true part that is being reserved 'just in case'...
travisbickle
Member
So the theory offered in this topic I'm going to believe for now is:
Sony has allocated
4.5GB for games
1.5GB for OS
2GB in limbo.
Of this 2GB:
1GB offered to game devs to fill.
1GB offered to OS team to fill.
The interesting part being the OS team will always be trying to reduce their footprint, while the game devs will be slowly increasing theirs as the game engines/graphics become bigger and better. It seems over cautious, but it's probably a better way for reacting to future changes.
Sony has allocated
4.5GB for games
1.5GB for OS
2GB in limbo.
Of this 2GB:
1GB offered to game devs to fill.
1GB offered to OS team to fill.
The interesting part being the OS team will always be trying to reduce their footprint, while the game devs will be slowly increasing theirs as the game engines/graphics become bigger and better. It seems over cautious, but it's probably a better way for reacting to future changes.
Cornbread78
Member
GDDR5 vs. DDR3
which is a better value? oh and $100 less.. lets keep the facts straight on the table here
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Then you don't understand what optimization is. Optimization is cutting back to make stable to open space to do more. You can have 1GB optimize it and then grow on it all at the same time. Having something extra for just "in case" is not so bad if you can't promise what will happen in the future. Features like Party Chat and recording might take a lot of resources now, but in the future can get to a point where it's non existent on memory. However running games 4K and needing that extra space to push that... might be what ideal.
While that's the precedent this generation starts off (for both consoles) by this:
TheLegendary
Member
The One is running three OSs compared to Sony's one and it is STILL using less resources than the PS4 is full hog if these rumors are true, and that's pathetic. If we're talking about future proofing, PS4 is a games console and Sony went on and on about the lean mean gaming machine... so how about future proofing GAMES and freeing up more resources for them instead of creating this titanic operating system. Otherwise, throw in DVR functionality so we can at least get feature parity with the One.
Oh really? So there really is only 2GB for the OS right now? Huh. Had no idea.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Xbox One doesnt have DVR functionality...
I thought the Xbox one couldn't dvr ?
That makes me wonder, does anyone think that we will see 4K video streaming (a la Netflix) on our new consoles in the next few years? That would be pretty cool.
4K video should be possible. Games are probably not going to happen.
I dunno, from what we learned in this thread developers really don't need more than 5gb to work with right now. Maybe it is smart for both sides to have 1gb earmarked for the future.
No, the 7gb was foolish speculation. They'd had this ram allocated for quite some time now.
Well look at Sony's history with what they say about their consoles. They will be used for missile guidance systems, 8 usb ports, you will want 2 jobs, they usually deliver more on hype than reality. Besides the PS3 was supposed to be much more powerful than the 360 so I think right now just having faster ram means nothing.
Except it does.
One thing to note I am fully cognizant that more RAM does not mean "better graphics!" per se. So I was not expecting visual differences between 5 v 7GB. However, more RAM could have been used various underlying aspects, like mitigation of load times even further or (given the GPU can draw up to 1.6B poly/sec) more importantly, a more persistent world with all the relevant positional data of everything can be cached on to the RAM w/o having to rely on HDD for streaming on demand or caching tons of pre-calculated bits of information instead of procedurally generating it (faking dynamic deformation for example) that stresses the GPU, etc.
While these things are certainly possible now, higher limit means more leeway.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
I laughed.
They never hyped any of the PS4's number; they just gave them. As far as guessing what amount of RAM went toward what function, that was message board speculation. And the PS3 was more powerful than the 360 in some areas, weaker in others. But it was a bitch to program for. That isn't the case with PS4.
Those other things you referenced was from a long dead Sony. They've been quite honest and treated gamers damn fairly in more recent times.
And they don't "just have faster RAM." Their GPU is also a more powerful, which counts when you're talking about graphics.
Because devs...the people who make those GAMES, couldn't be happier about the PS4's RAM. Anything other than what they think is meaningless.
I get where you're coming from. I just feel like until we hear devs squealing about the RAM situation, it just isn't that big a deal.