iamshadowlark
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This hyperbole and misinformation is worse than when they announced the ram in the first place. It's a shame that after all the explanations people at large still think ram has anything to do with the power of a console.
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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water
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Yeah I don't get it. If games were made last gen with 512mb doesn't it mean it will be the same this gen in that devs will be able to do a lot more than the raw specs would lead you to believe given they are dev for closed systems? So given the massive jump from to 512mb to 5gb, won't that still be huge? I thought you can't do a 1:1 comparison of specs between consoles and PC.
Although I plead my ignorance.
Although I plead my ignorance.
What bothers me is the story about Boyes who seen a dev and said if you go 4GB your system is dead on arrival. At that time PS4 had 3.5GB dedicated to games and 512MB to OS, what I don't understand is Sony upped the RAM due to feedback from devs but only gave an extra 1GB RAM, and spent the rest of the OS.
GANGSTERKILLER
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No wonder Killzone: Shadow Fall uses "only" 4.5 GB of GDDR 5, it all makes sense now.
in Sony fans defense, the 1Gb number was suggested based on old PS4 RAM leaks (4gb-512MB OS)
it was very reasonable estimation.
CBOAT only knows stuff for MS. The Sony insiders have weighed in and said devs are happy, which is all I care about. I guess I was just thinking in the long term with specs instead of in the short term. More of a concern for me is the CPU reserve than the RAM reserve.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this too. I think the most likely explanation is that they're going to open up considerably more RAM to devs as time goes on and what they have now probably sufficient for the first year or so of the console's life. Devs probably knew that 3.5GB would cause issues from day one but 5GB may be enough for them for a bit.
Dictator93
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I see this thread has already claimed a number of people.
Hence, my gif has been updated.
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BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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From what we have seen, PS4 is weaker in that regard.
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Nightengale
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People were projecting their 'assumptions/wishes' that 7GB would be reserved for games, and only 1GB for the OS.
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
You've been told...by who ? Who told you that devs would have 7-8 GB for games ? Sony never told anything like that nor said something coroborating this.
Sony said that the PS4 would be equiped with 8 GB GDDR5 ram. Have they lied ? NO
People are to blame THEMSELVES for reacting like this
Has any dev complain about the memory available for their games ? Is there a videogame out there using more than 5 GB of ram ON ITS OWN ?
You have no idea what you are talking about. It was never publicly announced what the RAM split was before the RAM upgrade. If you are bothered about the RAM amount when developers aren't, I don't know what to tell you :/. Ramadan Mubarak.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I totally fell for this last night too in the other thread
Lion Heart
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Difference between Sony and MS part 2:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560587
Such a different tone in that thread. 5 pages long lol. This thread already is 4 times larger in half a day. Someday we need to sit down and talk about why Sony news is always a circus act in comparison to other consoles.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560587
Such a different tone in that thread. 5 pages long lol. This thread already is 4 times larger in half a day. Someday we need to sit down and talk about why Sony news is always a circus act in comparison to other consoles.
GANGSTERKILLER
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I'm not saying that.
awesome post btw, thank you for clarifying. so is that space swap there to alleviate bottlenecks in swapping memory out?
gundamkyoukai
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This gen is not going to last 10 -12 years .
Tech getting better makes sure of that because it would take more money to make old systems than to make new ones .
8gb surprised a lot of people, before that most were happy with 4gb when that is what they thought they were getting (3.5gb for games), the only problem being those worried for another Skyrim like episode where a terrible engine that should have died a generation ago ends up making a shitty port.
5gb on both machines is still quite a bit, look what they managed with 512mb for 7-8 years and no doubt longer. I expect the amount of memory for developers will increase if Sony is happy with their OS over time.
lol yup
Now everyone wants to say stupid shit like
"4.5gb is still a lot of memory"
"the ps3 only had 256mb"
Sony fanboys are funny people.
I doubt anyone on this forum considers me a Sony fanboy. Quite the opposite in fact.
But even I've been saying 5GB is TONNES for gaming. I'm rapt Sony is doing this.
Difference is, I was never part of the February circle jerk, nor was I shitting on the Xbox One.
It is interesting to see a few who were happy to drive by suddenly be ok with this. At least the guys overreacting are being consistent.
there is a possibility that PS4 may have reserved 2.5gb OS and 1.5gb games in the old build. So dead on arrival is very accurate. So upping the RAM really increased games RAM to 5 gb.
We may never know the details.
something fishy
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plenty of other devs could do that. plenty of the game devs here could happily do that surely?
plenty of us non gaming devs would probably have a stab too. there does seem to be an assumption people know far less than they do, not everyone is clueless or lacking a cmp sci degree and years of experience. several have it.
Meus Renaissance
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Going back to E3 2005, both companies touted touted how they would leverage the next-gen hardware for their games. Sony, of course, focused on this narrative to a larger extent by contrasting the specific details of their hardware with that of rival manufacturers like Microsoft. Slides such as the below were rife.
But as I said, this wasn't purely about numbers; this was about the message; Sony were giving a sales pitch on stage and hoped to convince consumers their console would have the best looking games.
It was no surprise, therefore, to see Microsoft react to Sony's 8GB GDDR5 by mentioning they too had 8GB of RAM (though telling avoided to go beyond that) and "billions of transistors". Again, this isn't about numbers; this is messaging to your consumers that this is just as capable if not more so than alternatives.
This is why there was such disbelief and disappointment when the XB1's OS footprint was reportedly to be as large as it is: although naturally the OS will take a portion of the total memory available, it is disingenuous to market that total figure when the footprint is as significant as 3GB. And whilst both have been vocal in their reasoning that more RAM equates to bigger, better games, their argument [or lack of] for a more sophisticated OS at the expense of that RAM pool has failed to resonate with many.
But in Sony's defence, they haven't themselves as a company released statements in regards to the specifics of the hardware. Mark Cerny has and he should be the one to therefore answer the question.
But as I said, this wasn't purely about numbers; this was about the message; Sony were giving a sales pitch on stage and hoped to convince consumers their console would have the best looking games.
It was no surprise, therefore, to see Microsoft react to Sony's 8GB GDDR5 by mentioning they too had 8GB of RAM (though telling avoided to go beyond that) and "billions of transistors". Again, this isn't about numbers; this is messaging to your consumers that this is just as capable if not more so than alternatives.
This is why there was such disbelief and disappointment when the XB1's OS footprint was reportedly to be as large as it is: although naturally the OS will take a portion of the total memory available, it is disingenuous to market that total figure when the footprint is as significant as 3GB. And whilst both have been vocal in their reasoning that more RAM equates to bigger, better games, their argument [or lack of] for a more sophisticated OS at the expense of that RAM pool has failed to resonate with many.
But in Sony's defence, they haven't themselves as a company released statements in regards to the specifics of the hardware. Mark Cerny has and he should be the one to therefore answer the question.
That thread is probably shorter since we had known that for months.
Has anyone seen the mustaches on them Order 1886 dudes!? I mean come on if they enough RAMS to make mustaches like that then what is the problem? NOTHING!
We got GOD of War 3 , Last of US, Uncharted, and so many other fantastic games on PS3 with only a fraction of the ram offered by PS4.
We got GOD of War 3 , Last of US, Uncharted, and so many other fantastic games on PS3 with only a fraction of the ram offered by PS4.
You are better than this. Developers are not complaining, the amount available for gameOS will go up, and increasing the amount available will not magically make games look ___% better.
Come on Robo :/.
What have we seen? or better yet, what have you seen?
LiquidMetal14
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What have we seen?
I'm uninformed in that regard so I would like to really know. Right now, Xbone has a TV/HDMI in feature. PS4 has this, it's called my TV remote.
That was a half sarcastic statement since we know that Xbone will interface with some of that well enough. The only thing I'm saying is that from a media/app perspective, both consoles will get even better as they are already pretty on par with media services.
Don't tell me you're ignoring the media capabilities on PS3 as well as the bevvy of apps available for you to watch all sorts of video.
I just want an articulate explanation of what makes PS4 a worse multimedia device because both platforms aren't even out yet to even formulate such a statement.
Do you have an official statment or similar by Sony or a trusted insider that PS4 had 3.5 GB for games and 512 Mb for the OS at that time...?
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Live Free or Die
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Another slow news day.
I'm quite calm, it's just that you don't really have a clue. The gpu can't use all 8 gigs even if it was available. The same thing applies to the Xbox one and their gpu.
mugurumakensei
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No, it's there so that you can address an extra 512 MB in case you go over 5GB. Your performance will substantially degrade when hitting paged memory. However, it's much better than out of memory error and program crash.
DeadlyVirus
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The OS will use less RAM in the future, because it will be more optimized
Problem is: Sony didn't want to reply and clearify the official Ram amounts that are used for gaming or reserved by the OS.
If they had let's say 6GB for gaming and 2GB for the rest then they'd immidiately try to debunk this rumour because it created alot of heat in here.
Why should they openly admit something which got mainly recieved bad over the internt (or just gaf, dunno lol).
I say, and please don't hate me for it, that this statement is already a confirmation for this whole story (atleast when speaking of numbers).
Fact is: That 5GB are way enough to create awesome games. Can you imagine what future titles from Bethesda, Naughty Dog, Remedy, Crytek, CD Project, Bungie, Rockstar Games and so many more awesome game studios will look like?
If they had let's say 6GB for gaming and 2GB for the rest then they'd immidiately try to debunk this rumour because it created alot of heat in here.
Why should they openly admit something which got mainly recieved bad over the internt (or just gaf, dunno lol).
I say, and please don't hate me for it, that this statement is already a confirmation for this whole story (atleast when speaking of numbers).
Fact is: That 5GB are way enough to create awesome games. Can you imagine what future titles from Bethesda, Naughty Dog, Remedy, Crytek, CD Project, Bungie, Rockstar Games and so many more awesome game studios will look like?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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No its not like saying that. It's more like saying,
" Michael Phelps is the greatest Olympian of all time, but he does have people how are just as good as him and can eclipse him at any given moment"
Your making it seem like having less ram means less games, games that have no story, games that don't make sense, games that get 5's and under...
Like dude, relax. First and foremost, consoles drive console development period and having more guts means that there will be more and better games that function well. Having more ram doesn't make games better neither does having less make them crappy period. Plus do you even know what RAM does.. Seriously? Because some people are throwing around ram as if it's this decider of how games are made.
Virtual memory is managed by the OS kernel. It's typically on disk and is therefore orders of magnitude slow than system RAM. I am not fully understanding the architecture here, but it seems like at least 512MB of that memory is guaranteed to be actual RAM but beyond that it hits the disk.
And your post are loud eh? Please stop the charade.
You guys are quite vocal in these threads. Like I said I have collected all your tears to last the gen.
The way some of you post is weird. Saying that 'wow, the xbox is now as/more powerful' is not only factually wrong, but moot as the ps4 is quite a lot cheaper. It's not as if the ps4 needs to justify an increased price tag - the xbox does though. The outcome here is that the ps4 is still more powerful and still cheaper, which was NOT what most of the rumours suggested late last year.
something fishy
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True. Looks what they did with the Last of Us in that tiny footprint.
In truth both systems are going to have plenty of grunt and capacity to produce some good games.
mysteriousmage09
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With the Sony statement, I think the OS is just unoptimized to hell and back since they haven't had much time at all to work on it since going from 4GB to 8GB and they have no clue what they will actually get it down to. Looks like they are just being overly cautious right now and just want to be damn sure they don't hit that brick wall by not having enough for that one feature they really want, aka, they don't want to pull a PS3 again.
Still seems excessive but I do suppose it's better to be safe then sorry.
Still seems excessive but I do suppose it's better to be safe then sorry.
Ms had that leaked document "Fortezella" I'm thinking the reserved memory in both these boxes could be for planned peripherlas down the line. Hopefully some type of V.R. We see how both Sony and M.S. adapted to motion gaming half way through.
Another use could be for in the future for streaming games to other devices Sony already has this planned with Vita M.S. has been pushing smartglass heavily. I really think they both have other gaming related features in mind that they haven't even discussed yet.
Another use could be for in the future for streaming games to other devices Sony already has this planned with Vita M.S. has been pushing smartglass heavily. I really think they both have other gaming related features in mind that they haven't even discussed yet.
jordan0386
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My man, we were led to believe that Sony would not be going the multi media route that MS is going. Therefore they wouldnt need as much memory for their OS.
The hits keep rolling. Is it unfathomable to believe Sony will eventually shrink that number down to 6+ GB available to developers within the third year of development
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