Pai Pai Master
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To be replaced by equally shitty Xbox Live for Windows 8.
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Games for Windows Live shutting down July 1, 2014.
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Syphon Filter
Member
World in Conflict is not gfwl.
Quadraphonic
Member
Valve has said many times over that if Steam servers were to go down, they'd release updates to let you download and play your games forever for free.
Bonfires Down
Member
Yes. I meant games bought on Steam that use GFWL.
faceless007
Member
If by many times over, you mean once in a decade-old SPUF forum post that has long since been deleted and which was made before Valve began selling third-party games and before the Steam client underwent many significant architectural changes, then sure.
Syphon Filter
Member
as long as pc gaming is around steam will be, nothing to be paranoid about.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Spin in your fucking grave GFWL.
There is a program where you can unlock GFWL achievements.
http://alexander.sannybuilder.com/misc/gfwlam/
The fact this has worked since 2011 just shows the care MS has had for GFWL. I personally did it myself to get to the 30K GS for the bonus MS points rebate on my 360. Achievements and trophys are meaningless to be so i didn't care if it defeated the spirit of them. Fallout 3 and FUEL doesn't even need that program, you can unlock all the achievements using the debug menu.
Gamespy posted an article saying the last time GFWL got a new feature added was when George Bush was President.
http://alexander.sannybuilder.com/misc/gfwlam/
The fact this has worked since 2011 just shows the care MS has had for GFWL. I personally did it myself to get to the 30K GS for the bonus MS points rebate on my 360. Achievements and trophys are meaningless to be so i didn't care if it defeated the spirit of them. Fallout 3 and FUEL doesn't even need that program, you can unlock all the achievements using the debug menu.
Gamespy posted an article saying the last time GFWL got a new feature added was when George Bush was President.
I've been speculating for a while now that Microsoft notified publishers that GFWL would be shutting down and no longer supported sometime in 2014.
All of the major publishers just dropped releasing games with GFWL and work began on Bioshock 2 and the Arkham games all around the same time period.
Show me any of these statements from someone other than a Steam forum mod.
The games themselves would have to be patched, which costs money. Valve won't pay for the patches, obviously, and the responsible company may decide it's not worth the trouble. The most Valve can do is delist the game from Steam.
It would be rad if Valve took a hardline no-extra-DRM-on-Steam stance but it's too late for that now.
Syphon Filter
Member
I think it was a magazine, a long long time ago.
If Gabe really wants to be immortalized, he would record a youtube video of him saying that to the camera. Aww hell he is already immortalized.
JacksUsername
Member
I won't miss the service, that's for sure. Although, I am concerned about the 13 or so games that I have that use GFWL. Bulletstorm and Dark Souls top the list.
I have a vague memory of an official quote too, but it was years ago and Valve has been careful to lay off those promises ever since. Disabling Steam's DRM could leave them vulnerable to lawsuits from all sorts of publishers. Hell, Namco sued CD Projekt for removing the DRM from retail copies of The Witcher 2.
Eh, at least that probably means relevant Valve games are covered.
But yeah, this is probably similar to an MMO shutting down, they'd just delist.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I can't believe that people believe this. Removing the DRM from non Valve games would no doubt put Valve in a world of trouble.
Syphon Filter
Member
At the time it was only Valve games to be fair. Either way i wouldn't be worried, digital is the future and here to stay.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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So...I really like Dark Souls. finished it many times, nowadays I just play multiplayer. I play on PS3 but I figure Sony will want to kill the PS3's online at the earliest date they can get away with. So the other day I picked it up on pc. Haven't installed it or anything, Just as a precaution for the future. I figured it will have a longer multiplayer life there.
Apparently not.
How dire is the situation? Are Bamco the type to patch in steam support for this old game when the sequel will be out months before GFWL dies off? Or can the multiplayer be kept alive some other way?
I mean, hope I like Dark Souls 2 enough that I want to move on to it, but...I'm not confident I will. It's rare I like a game this much.
Apparently not.
How dire is the situation? Are Bamco the type to patch in steam support for this old game when the sequel will be out months before GFWL dies off? Or can the multiplayer be kept alive some other way?
I mean, hope I like Dark Souls 2 enough that I want to move on to it, but...I'm not confident I will. It's rare I like a game this much.
Narpas Sword0
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Not if agreement with this policy was required for a publisher to put their game on Steam
Think about how much Namco and From cared about the Dark Souls PC port, then imagine them paying to rip out the GFWL multiplayer code and replace it with entirely new netcode just so people who already paid for the game can continue to play.
Wolf Akela
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Unless it was patched, there was also Steam Achievement Manager. SAM+Humble Bundle was abused for the Christmas 2011 raffle. Buy a bundle for $0.01 to activate an account, use SAM to unlock achievements then collect all the raffle entries.
I'm curious though. Did GFWL ever fix the exploit which let you get any other game on the store by buying only one game? I wont go into the details, but my friend got several games on the store for free by just getting one game. This exploit could also be extended to getting free games for OTHER people.
Even if they don't its not legit so I don't get the point. It's like an unofficial version of the fallout 3 console commands.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
News like this worries me. When people lost their games from Impulse, I worried. When the "sign every new TOS or lose your games" controversy happened with Steam, I worried and also started buying less from Steam.
Why wouldn't you worry about your digital games when things like this happen?
I think that's unlikely but if you have evidence of that, I would be relieved to see it.
Namco did not care when they originally set out to port Dark Souls.
Now they, unequivocally, do care about the PC. They are porting every title they can, even the more obscure ones, to get a piece of the pie.
Dark Souls II, Pacman, Naruto, the tidal wave begins.
Any time Dark Souls goes on sale, it tops the top sellers list on Steam. That list is ranked by the largest revenue generation.
Namco is motivated not to see that revenue dip, or in the case of a GFWL shutdown, lose all revenue generation for that title.
Syphon Filter
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I never got gfwl games because i had no trust in them. With valve i trust them more since steam basically equals pc gaming. As long as pc gaming is around steam will be around. MS didn't take gfwl serious so i am not surprised this happened.
Only if you make it obvious and the timecode has 50 achievements unlocked within a minute.
legacyzero
Banned
To think I was considering buying Gears of War... So glad I resisted.
I think they did. But it was pretty insane that people could do that, essentially "legal" pirating for the cost of one CD-key for the service.
As for the achievement unlocker, I haven't heard anything in regards to that but MS does ban for a few things but I haven't heard of a wave for PC manipulations. They may do that as a final "fuck you" when they shut the service down. Or they don't give a shit anymore and will let people gamerscore manipulate since "Fuck it, we're shutting the service down anyway. Let them at it."
If they do a dollar sale on the 21st before it gets shutdown, I will bite.
I got some leftover points from that March 360 sale that I never got to use
fuck their authentication taking forever for a one day sale. Wanted my Halo Wars/Reach
Zeyphersan
Banned
A sale on all games on the last day would be great.
$1 Gears, $1 Viva Pinata. Bring it.
That's 90 cents more than I paid for Viva Pinata.
legacyzero
Banned
Fuck lol
You know...this is actually a pretty salient point.
Syphon Filter
Member
I'd wait for the inevitable Gears trilogy with steamworks. Believe.
It actually is when really thought about. Lol.
BoosterDuck
Banned
Doesn't Ms. Splosion Man use GFWL?
oh shit and Dead Rising 2 is going too
oh shit and Dead Rising 2 is going too
Bluekaveli
Member
The problem is that restoring full online functionality for Dark Souls would require straight-up homebrew servers. It would have to be something on the level of SCTHACK for Phantasy Star Online.
Hopefully Namco does something though. According to what we know now this will be happening after Dark Souls II comes out.
The costs of patches will be worth it if people are still buying the game. If that revenue is still coming in, even if only during Steam sales, it'll stop completely once the game itself stops functioning.
You're right though about developers not existing anymore. No one currently has the rights to patch Red Faction Guerrilla.
That's one game out of a big list of games he owns that will be dead. People cheering this on are being selfish dicks. Really angry my Dark Souls will be a gimped version (if it works at all, which it might not) in a year when the console versions will probably still work fine.
Apparently, Dark Souls
tD for PC will be patched to replace GFWL with Steamworks before the shutdown in 2014:
Source:
tD for PC will be patched to replace GFWL with Steamworks before the shutdown in 2014:
Source:
https://twitter.com/VaatiVidya/status/369651110891372544
Ah this really sucks. I never had a problem with it (apart from the version installed with batman arkham was too old to work on windows 8 so had to uninstall and get the latest) and actually liked it (since I never paid for gold on the 360).
I hope the games I have such as the two batman arkham titles, Gta 4, bio shock 2, fallout, street fighter, mortal kombat arcade collection and ms explosion man can be patched to use the facilities of steam instead. Don't want to lose the multiplayer of Gta 4 and leader boards in arkham, etc.
I hope the games I have such as the two batman arkham titles, Gta 4, bio shock 2, fallout, street fighter, mortal kombat arcade collection and ms explosion man can be patched to use the facilities of steam instead. Don't want to lose the multiplayer of Gta 4 and leader boards in arkham, etc.
Apparently, Dark Souls
Source:
https://twitter.com/VaatiVidya/status/369651110891372544
glory to sun ah yes
Sorta Maximus
Member
Wow, this is nightmare.
I posted that list quick at work, didn't see the games were listed in prior posts. Thanks.
Krusenstern
Banned
Apparently, Dark Souls
Source:
https://twitter.com/VaatiVidya/status/369651110891372544
Holy shit!
Edit: It's fake. Fuck reddit and 4chan.
Apparently, Dark Souls
Source:
https://twitter.com/VaatiVidya/status/369651110891372544
Well that's a relief...for ONE game. I own more than that though. What about Dead Rising 2 and Dead Rising 2 Off the Record or Resident Evil 5?
Edit: Uhh, is that not on their facebook anymore?
I should note that, according to Vaati, the facebook post pictured was pulled, but I have no doubts that what VaatiVidya said/posted is true. He is well known within the Dark Souls community for his Prepare to Cry series on youtube, which you should watch if you're a Dark Souls fan...and preferably after you've finished the game.
EDIT: Still, that's just one source and it was pulled. I am not surprised by this though, as developing Dark Souls 2 with a steamworks solution would no doubt make porting Dark Souls 1 to steamworks all the easier... dedicated servers included.
EDIT: Still, that's just one source and it was pulled. I am not surprised by this though, as developing Dark Souls 2 with a steamworks solution would no doubt make porting Dark Souls 1 to steamworks all the easier... dedicated servers included.