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Ars Technica: Penello's XB1 Numbers, Ars "Sniff Test" Analysis
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As much as I think Penello is mostly blowing smoke, most of the Ars rebuttals were less than thorough.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Well MS does have the faster PR spin.
Chobel
Member
LOL! Technical Troll.
I'm guessing he's saying that because there are 8 cores, each of which got a 6% boost, it adds up. I suppose that's true, but it's still just a 6% performance increase.
It's a well known site calling bullshit on his claims, not just random gaf posters.
Well there's a surprise.
Don't hold your breath. When called out on the BS and asked for explanations, he went into "Well I give you guys proofs straight from our elite engineers but you just think I lie. WE MADE DIRECT X!" and "it's pointless for me to post more about the topic, you don't trust me. You'll see at launch anyway" mode.
Don't hold your breath. When called out on the BS and asked for explanations, he went into "Well I give you guys proofs straight from our elite engineers but you just think I lie. WE MADE DIRECT X!" and "it's pointless for me to post more about the topic, you don't trust me. You'll see at launch anyway" mode.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
I found it hilarious that he admitted that 'technical fellows' are rare at Microsoft.
But the responses will be the same since everybody here already took their position. I'm not saying it doesn't deserve to be a thread, just that I expect it to be very similar to the other one.
Chobel
Member
I feel now so stupid that I believed all that at some point.
McHuj
Member
Except GPU benchmarks usually don't support this view. Even if you compare GPU's in the same line, performance never scales perfectly. For example, look at Anandbench for a comparison of the 7870 vs 7970. The Tflop difference is +48% in favor of the 7970, yet in benchmarks it performs on average ~30% better.
That is a job title there, why would that be hilarious?
ChosenPredator
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who is ars , just curious because he really didnt say much but im most likely not understanding something lol
Nice to get some backup from a "respectable" source since many people dismiss statements from TechGAF because of the anonymity. Nevertheless, if a majority of TechGAF starts to bring the same counter arguments independently, then that in itself is evidence that things are fishy.
Wishmaster92
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DeviantBoi
Member
For some reason I just feel that when this guy and Major Nelson start talking hardware, they're just parroting what the hardware team tells them.
"Yes, it's just as powerful as the PS4," MS' hardware team tells them.
So that's what they tell people.
When Cerny speaks, however, I know that he designed the damn thing. When he talks numbers, I know that he knows what they mean, even though I might not fully understand him. If he says the PS4 is more powerful, I sure as hell believe him.
"Yes, it's just as powerful as the PS4," MS' hardware team tells them.
So that's what they tell people.
When Cerny speaks, however, I know that he designed the damn thing. When he talks numbers, I know that he knows what they mean, even though I might not fully understand him. If he says the PS4 is more powerful, I sure as hell believe him.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Yes it only performs 30% better. What a worthless improvement!
Very respectable tech site, and he said everything right [MS PR strategy is to throw meaningless words that make no sense most of the time].
McHuj
Member
Did I say it was worthless? How did you arrive at that conclusion since nothing was stated about that in the original point and my comment to it?
And the fact that he has zero education in marketing and PR.
WE GET IT. PS4 IS FASTER. What in fuck's name is the point of this all ? Albert WORKS for Microsoft, its his job to make the difference seem as marginal as possible. He will never come out and say "chucks guys, you got me". Xbone fanboys will try to downplay the difference tooth and nail. Do we have to do this each and every day ?
Neuromancer
Member
You guys are just having trouble imagining how the less powerful console could, in actuality, be the more powerful console.
feint_ruled
Member
I really don't like the sound of an "Arse sniff test"
Opus Angelorum
Member
Another one of these threads I see.
It would have been nice of Ars to actually respond with something insightful instead of just spouting off the cuff remarks.
Whatever pleases their readers, I guess.
It would have been nice of Ars to actually respond with something insightful instead of just spouting off the cuff remarks.
Whatever pleases their readers, I guess.
For some reason some people don't like FUD...
You can't really spin math. Being honest goes a long way.
DerZuhälter
Member
Still waiting for Arthur Gies to pop up at the first LensOfTruth/DigitalFoundry multiplat face off with XB1 winning calling out everyone doubting the power of the secret sauce.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
You'd think that Microsoft would like to have large amounts of highly skilled knowledgeable people working for them ... that understand the basics of their technology lol.
1. Don't complain about the existence of threads.
2. Albert is sharing inaccurate information.
3. Calm down, life will be okay.
It would be nice for people to stop spreading misinformation too. But that's life!
The funny thing about him talking about the diminishing returns of the CUs is that he mentions that they are ROP/bandwidth limited. In these cases, the PS4 has twice the ROPs, and 3x the bandwidth to main memory -- the performance difference would much more heavily favor the PS4 in these cases.
this thread has its own soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zciWTiCdEsA
its all in your heads!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zciWTiCdEsA
and above all, this
its all in your heads!
King Beyond the wall
Member
If Penello's info came from his technical fellow, MS may want to look at replacing him.
Krusenstern
Banned
The problem is he comes here everytime and says that, although it's already been discussed to death these figures are not true. If he would just lay it to rest instead of trying to convince everyone that the difference is marginal it would be alright.
But he's spreading this bullshit over and over again. That's what makes it annoying.
They do. They just don't talk to the public. Penello is doing HIS job for better or worse aka making/trying to make Microsoft look better.
cookie-monster
Member
so I think he means a whole 6.36% increase. Which probably isn't even true anyway.
This flare up in the PS4 vs. XBO tech specs started again when MS PR tried to damage control the power difference between the PS4 and XBO. We're talking about it because MS made it an issue, and continue to make it an issue every time people like Albert comes here and spew BS like no one here has the technical know-how to discern whether the PS4 really is more capable than the XBO. If they'd stop trying vainly to spin the numbers, I'd say most of this conversation would go away.
Ricerocket
Member
All he had to do was say no, the X1 does not have an additional discrete GPU (LOL) but nope, he had to throw in the ps4 comparison at the end.
- This is a gaming site
- The MS guy posted on this site directly with what is being challenged as Spin and FUD
- The launch of PS4/XB1 is big news particularly given the drama around price point difference, projected performance differences and the potential for a market swing
Yes we're going to do this every day.
LiquidSolid
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So you're okay with him posting bullshit PR claims on GAF and don't want him to be held accountable for them?
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