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[Razgreez]

No it doesn't. It suspends them.

You're contradicting yourself so badly here

Switching between them is not unlike how it would work on your mobile phone

I.e. the xbo does the exact same thing as phones do, minimize/suspend apps that are not currently actively being used depending on the apps resource requirements in different states. Perfect example, multi-window support on galaxy SIII and 4. Is the xbo doing anything impressive in this regard? No, only 4 apps is kinda disappointing actually when you've got 3GB of ram dedicated to the OS(s)

 

[Garrett 2U]

You're contradicting yourself so badly here



I.e. the xbo does the exact same thing as phones do, minimize/suspend apps that are not currently actively being used depending on the apps resource requirements in different states. Perfect example, multi-window support on galaxy SIII and 4. Is the xbo doing anything impressive in this regard? No, only 4 apps is kinda disappointing actually when you've got 3GB of ram dedicated to the OS(s)

Some phones don't suspend apps and truly multitask them.
I believe some Android and Windows phones are able to do that.

That quote doesn't imply the XBO is just suspending apps at all.

The fact that it's limited to 4 apps pretty much implies that it's actually running all of them simultaneously, not simply suspending and resuming.

 

[thunder_snail]

So here is the thing. These features are nice. Don't be haters people. Admit it. They are nice. And...if I was getting an XB1 I'd be real sure to try them out. Who knows they might even be useful and I'd end up as one of those statistics that Microsoft trots out to prove that we really really want a full on multimedia box. But...

I'm not getting an XB1 because the only reason I'd spend $500 on a console would be to play games. I'm not looking for yet another way to watch TV on my TV, or see my tablet app on my TV.

I'm being a little cute here, but the point I'm trying to make is that Microsoft needs to emphasize games for its gaming device. They've tried numerous version of Microsoft TV since the turn of the century, and the only thing that has had any traction at all was when the Xbox put gaming as its core primary goal. Everything else Microsoft did failed miserably. I'll admit that I'm ranting for no good reason. Microsoft will have to live with the consequences of the compromises they made to make the XB1 a multimedia device for the rest of the next generation. It's too late to turn that ship around now.

This thread is more about how awesome X1 can be as a multimedia device though. One thing that no other device can never match is the potential of kinect as an input device. And it is still a decent gaming machine albeit not as powerful as PS4.

 

[Atlas157]

I dont get posts like these, they make literally no sense.

Are you trying to prove that a Vita can match the X1?

No, but the Vita can have multiple apps open.

This isn't new.

 

[heelo]

Filling the entire room with Infrared beams? Sounds like a good way to get skin cancer.

May I introduce you to the difference between the Infra-Red and Ultra-Violet portions of the light spectrum?

 

[Tsundere]

You can't share clips on anything but Xbox Live until next year?

 

[Omni]

Is constant exposure to IR dangerous? Can we turn the IR blaster off? (Obviously there's a difference between IR and UV. Just curious)

 

[Tsundere]

Is constant exposure to IR dangerous? Can we turn the IR blaster off?

No it's not dangerous, and you can choose not to use Kinect and store it in a closet if you want.

 

[jordan0386]

No, but the Vita can have multiple apps open.

This isn't new.

Its new for Xbox. We can talk PlayStation some other time.

 

[SPDIF]

You're contradicting yourself so badly here



I.e. the xbo does the exact same thing as phones do, minimize/suspend apps that are not currently actively being used depending on the apps resource requirements in different states. Perfect example, multi-window support on galaxy SIII and 4. Is the xbo doing anything impressive in this regard? No, only 4 apps is kinda disappointing actually when you've got 3GB of ram dedicated to the OS(s)

The Xbox One can run four apps at the same time in the background

Maybe the author of the article is confused, but it seems that it can actually run four apps simultaneously and doesn't need to suspend and resume.

 

[Albert Penello]

Who's this Albert Penella fellow? Sounds like an imposter to me.

I'm changing my name and starting over.

 

[Albert Penello]

How was live tv when snapped to the side?

We didn't demo it since we didn't have a TV box handy in the hotel. I think we're doing more stuff around TV closer to launch.

 

[thunder_snail]

I'm changing my name and starting over.

how bout Penella Albeson?

 

[Timemuffin]

I seriously cannot wait to use kinect 2 to voice control all my stuff. Imagine controlling lights in your room, making them dim just by saying Xbox on. I wonder if it could do that?

Awesome stuff. Strangely enough, this stuff comes first with me. Now that I have a baby, being able to control everything with my voice is extremely appealing because my arms are always doing something.

I also want dead rising. Caaaaant wait.

 

[Bsigg12]

Hey Albert, any time frame on when we can expect a video demoing all this for those of us not privy to attend press appointments? I'm really wanting to see the UI in action.

 

[Killthee]

Quick question is this where the 8gb of flash memory went?

Also Jeremy Parish also wrote on article about the new dash. He seems to like it also

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/tgs-xbox-one-pays-fealty-to-our-new-smartphone-overlords

Interesting that the game shutdown doesn't save the state. I assumed the 10 seconds for it was cause it was saving the current state to the HDD.

While it would be unrealistic to expect the hardware to run multiple games at once, the "instant game switching" Microsoft touted in the demo took nearly 10 seconds to shut down one game and boot the next. That's not terrible, but once a game is shut down, it's completely purged from memory; the system doesn't retain any sort of memory dump or save state when moving from one game to another. Compare that to something like iPhone, which let you jump around between games and return to the one you started at precisely where you left off. Even something like a MacBook's low battery save state (where the system dumps the contents of memory to disk immediately before running out of power) would be nice.

Also noticed that you can add code redemption to your pins which gets me excited about all the other shortcuts you can pin.

And finally, it seems like no one can spell Penello's name correctly:

Watching Microsoft Director of Product Albert Penella demonstrate the Xbox One's user interface today in a media meeting at Tokyo Game Show, I kept hearing that line from The Big Lebowski echo through my mind. Just replace "Lebowski" with "Bach" and "bums" with "consoles" and it all fits.

 

[Dukey]

No, but the Vita can have multiple apps open.

This isn't new.

No, it can have multiple apps suspended. Can you have skype running in the background waiting for calls on Vita, get a call, and continue to play a game while you take the call on Vita?

 

[onQ123]

I seriously cannot wait to use kinect 2 to voice control all my stuff. Imagine controlling lights in your room, making them dim just by saying Xbox on. I wonder if it could do that?

Awesome stuff. Strangely enough, this stuff comes first with me. Now that I have a baby, being able to control everything with my voice is extremely appealing because my arms are always doing something.

I also want dead rising. Caaaaant wait.

if you have remote controlled lighting then it should be possible.

 

[Bsigg12]

Interesting that the game shutdown doesn't save the state. I assumed the 10 seconds for it was cause it was saving the current state to the HDD.



Also noticed that you can add code redemption to your pins.

And finally, it seems like no one can spell Penello's name correctly:

No more 25 digit code entries!!!! Being able to scan digital content codes via QR with the kinect will be great. We knew about it already but that's nice that you can pin it.

 

[Albert Penello]

Did anyone ask where the facial recognition data is kept? Is it server side or xbox side? Creeps me out.

We DO NOT store your physical profile information online. Save games, app history, settings, etc. If you want to log-in with Kinect you need to do that on every new console.

 

[NewGame]

Skype, Netflix, IE and TV.

It's a brave new future.

 

[thunder_snail]

I seriously cannot wait to use kinect 2 to voice control all my stuff. Imagine controlling lights in your room, making them dim just by saying Xbox on. I wonder if it could do that?

I doubt you'd be able to do that unless your lights can be controlled through your home network. But barring that, I'd imagine any device that can communicate with your home network has the potential to work with kinect2 as long as there's an app for it in windows store. May be these apps are the ones that can run in the background along with the games?

 

[Garrett 2U]

Interesting that the game shutdown doesn't save the state. I assumed the 10 seconds for it was cause it was saving the current state to the HDD.

The 10 second countdown is something they've talked about before.
It is simply there to allow you to cancel a voice command, in case it misunderstood you or someone was trolling you by saying "Xbox off" or something

 

[Albert Penello]

Hey Albert, any time frame on when we can expect a video demoing all this for those of us not privy to attend press appointments? I'm really wanting to see the UI in action.

I'm really, really sorry about this. We've booked to do it a couple times, and my schedule hasn't allowed it.

I wanted to get this demo out publicly sooner. I'm not sure when it's going to happen.

 

[Dukey]

We DO NOT store your physical profile information online. Save games, app history, settings, etc. If you want to log-in with Kinect you need to do that on every new console.

Since you're here, you can clarify. When you say 4 apps open at the same time, are they actually running, or are they suspended like on a Vita/iPhone etc?

 

[StoopKid]

Some phones don't suspend apps and truly multitask them.
I believe some Android and Windows phones are able to do that.

That quote doesn't imply the XBO is just suspending apps at all.

The fact that it's limited to 4 apps pretty much implies that it's actually running all of them simultaneously, not simply suspending and resuming.

I really dont get why you would want netflix or something running fully in the background while playing a game.

 

[Bsigg12]

I'm really, really sorry about this. We've booked to do it a couple times, and my schedule hasn't allowed it.

I wanted to get this demo out publicly sooner. I'm not sure when it's going to happen.

Aww damn. Well I suppose now that most of the conventions are done, we'll start seeing more stuff out of Redmond rather than second hand from press sites. That's if you guys find time with the final stretch to launch. (61 days!)

On a side note, how was Japan?

 

[Applecot]

I think the vita does both but it depends on which app it is.

Most will suspend. Outside of party chat I don't know why they'd need to be actively running in background to begin with?

I really dont get why you would want netflix or something running fully in the background while playing a game.

For this obviously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2iku7pkbf0

 

[thunder_snail]

I'm really, really sorry about this. We've booked to do it a couple times, and my schedule hasn't allowed it.

I wanted to get this demo out publicly sooner. I'm not sure when it's going to happen.

Any chance that X1 will be displayed along with other home entertainment machines at say, best buy or other similar stores near launch? It's gonna be awesome to see the kinect 2 controlling all the other devices.

 

[Albert Penello]

Since you're here, you can clarify. When you say 4 apps open at the same time, are they actually running, or are they suspended like on a Vita/iPhone etc?

Functionally it's the same thing.

But what I meant in the demo, is that the last 4 apps you run are stored resident in the flash. This means there is 0 load time once it's been started. If you had Netflix, IE, Xbox Music and the TV app already opened once, you could basically switch instantly between them.

The fifth app you opened would boot out the last one.

However, the reason I say "functionally" the same is that you could have the music app running in the background, for instance. In the case of something like Netflix, we're not going to keep the video running for no reason.

Does that help?

 

[StoopKid]

Most will suspend. Outside of party chat I don't know why they'd need to be actively running in background to begin with?



For this obviously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2iku7pkbf0

lol
The only thing i can think of i actually want running fully in the background is skype or music.

 

[Tsundere]

I'm really, really sorry about this. We've booked to do it a couple times, and my schedule hasn't allowed it.

I wanted to get this demo out publicly sooner. I'm not sure when it's going to happen.

What's the deal with the delay in releasing video footage of it if you mean to have it shown publicly anyway? It is running on "essentially" final hardware anyway, might as well just release the footage of the live demos you guys did.

 

[EventHorizon]

This thread is more about how awesome X1 can be as a multimedia device though. One thing that no other device can never match is the potential of kinect as an input device. And it is still a decent gaming machine albeit not as powerful as PS4.

I secretly want the Kinect to be a good input device. I bought Kinect 1.0 for the 360 with visions of new games that I would enjoy. That never happened, and Microsoft doesn't get to now say "But it really works this time. Trust us." To me the Kinect is a gimmick and a waste of the extra cost it adds to the XB1. Microsoft has been working on Kinect software titles since Nov 2010. They needed to come out swinging with the XB1 and server up a Halo quality Kinect 2.0 system seller at launch. They didn't do that and I assume that is because they can't.

I admit the multimedia functions are nice, but let's not pretend that anyone is spending $500 to see Windows 8 metro apps on their TV. I just watched World War Z through my Google TV and had 2, no 3 other ways I could have done it. Multimedia features just aren't that impressive. In fact I'd rather put wear and tear on a sub $100 device then risk XB1's equivalent of a RROD.

To bring this back to the idea of running phone/tablet app on your TV, I ask this legitimate question. Which of the apps that you currently use on your phone or tablet would you rather use on your TV screen? When anyone who is watching TV gets an email do you want a notification to pop up? Do you want to browse the web or forums like NeoGAF using hand gestures? Do you want Facebook to take up part of your screen when you are playing Call of Duty?

 

[Hoo-doo]

Functionally it's the same thing.

But what I meant in the demo, is that the last 4 apps you run are stored resident in the flash. This means there is 0 load time once it's been started. If you had Netflix, IE, Xbox Music and the TV app already opened once, you could basically switch instantly between them.

The fifth app you opened would boot out the last one.

However, the reason I say "functionally" the same is that you could have the music app running in the background, for instance. In the case of something like Netflix, we're not going to keep the video running for no reason.

Does that help?

So, it's actually suspending the apps then. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Omni]

No it's not dangerous, and you can choose not to use Kinect and store it in a closet if you want.

Ahh okay. I remember reading something a few years back about the effects of IR on the eyes... but who knows, :lol

Didn't know about Kinext being removable. This is good.

 

[Killthee]

No, it can have multiple apps suspended. Can you have skype running in the background waiting for calls on Vita, get a call, and continue to play a game while you take the call on Vita?

Not really relevant to this thread, but I believe they updated it so it can run in the background while running something else.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577925

The 10 second countdown is something they've talked about before.
It is simply there to allow you to cancel a voice command, in case it misunderstood you or someone was trolling you by saying "Xbox off" or something

That makes sense then, weird how neither of those two articles mentioned that.

 

[Timemuffin]

I doubt you'd be able to do that unless your lights can be controlled through your home network. But barring that, I'd imagine any device that can communicate with your home network has the potential to work with kinect2 as long as there's an app for it in windows store. May be these apps are the ones that can run in the background along with the games?

God that would be great. Imagine saying with a single voice command something like "Xbox make it sexy", have the tv turn on, the stereo play Lionel Richie, the lights dim, and a digital video of a fireplace play. Wonder if it's programmable like that.

See this stuff, unlike what I've seen on the other consoles, is the futuristic fun stuff that I really enjoy.

 

[Albert Penello]

So, it's actually suspending the apps then. Thanks for the clarification.

Yes.

 

[Jeels]

I think this is really impressive simply because the console hardware we have is so old. We just aren't used to this.

But it really is common, smart phones, laptops, tablets, all do this.

For some perspective, the Vita does this with a host of different apps too I've realized, and it does it really well where you can jump between apps within seconds with no load times. (Love my Vita...)

So ultimately, this is something I would expect out of a next gen console...

Also, I really hate the metro aesthetic..I can't believe they didn't abort that after the backlash to Windows 8.

 

[SkullHydra]

Speaking of signing in, Xbox One is friendly to multiple users. The previous systems were not. Now, six users can sign in at one time. Kinect is always watching to know who is in the lead in this case. It sees who is holding the controller and recognizes your voice among others. You could be in a room with five other people logged in and call out to launch a game, and it would do so with your settings and saves intact.

I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft or the Xbox One at the moment, but this is legitimately cool. I'd like to see Microsoft start trying to broadcast this kind of thing, instead of trying to cover up the PS4's tech lead.

 

[jordan0386]

Metro will probably be gone in a year, if X360 is anything to go by

 

[hawk2025]

This whole thread got me SUPER excited about messing around with my system once I get it!

Putting a bunch of pins in place, testing out the different apps and Smart Match, starting some downloads... 2 months to go as of today!!!

 

[jordan0386]

I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft or the Xbox One at the moment, but this is legitimately cool. I'd like to see Microsoft start trying to broadcast this kind of thing, instead of trying to cover up the PS4's tech lead.

There is no tech lead until the games show it to be so.

 

[AdmiralPain]

That all sounds very cool, can't wait!

 

[hawk2025]

Oh God, PLEASE not another discussion on which games look better. There's already dozens of thread on this.

Five posts from now someone will post Ryse gifs, then Killzone gifs will follow, and then 10 pages later we'll be exactly where we are all over again.

I just want every little bit of info we can get on the actual UI here, please

 

[thunder_snail]

God that would be great. Imagine saying with a single voice command something like "Xbox make it sexy", have the tv turn on, the stereo play Lionel Richie, the lights dim, and a digital video of a fireplace play. Wonder if it's programmable like that.

See this stuff, unlike what I've seen on the other consoles, is the futuristic fun stuff that I really enjoy.

LOL. If I tell kinect "Make it Sexy", it's gonna be playing german techno and naughtier kinda videos.

 

[Dukey]

Functionally it's the same thing.

But what I meant in the demo, is that the last 4 apps you run are stored resident in the flash. This means there is 0 load time once it's been started. If you had Netflix, IE, Xbox Music and the TV app already opened once, you could basically switch instantly between them.

The fifth app you opened would boot out the last one.

However, the reason I say "functionally" the same is that you could have the music app running in the background, for instance. In the case of something like Netflix, we're not going to keep the video running for no reason.

Does that help?

It helps in that what you've described is suspending apps, which doesnt require a big overhead when it comes to memory, which leads to a question you probably can't answer but I'll ask anyways - why reserve all that memory if you're just suspending apps?

 

[gofreak]

Surprisingly low number tbh. Is this the win 8 app model? Isn't switching between apps on a win8 mobile instantaneous with more apps than this and less resources?

 

[satam55]

Skype, Netflix, IE and TV.

It's a brave new future.

People still use IE? I stopped using IE as my main browser by 2006.

 

[NewGame]

People still use IE? I stopped using IE as my main browser by 2006.

Same, I remember abandoning IE just before the release of Firefox 3.0! Currently use Chrome.