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Will Super Mario 3D World be the beginning of the turnaround for Wii U?

Yanikun

Banned
Not really. If NSMBU didn't turn things around, what will?

How can a launch title turn anything around?

I really think people are looking at NSMBU the wrong way. Are you guys surprised it's not on the way to sell 25 million units? It's a game that was released on an install base of zero. This is nothing like the conditions in which NSMB DS and Wii launched.

Call of Duty sells like, what, 20, 25 million copies on PS360? You think if COD Ghosts released on just the Xbone and PS4 this holiday, it would have sold anywhere remotely close to 20 million by this point next year?

If you want some turn-around games, you're gonna have to look at the successive launches of huge titles each releasing on a bigger and bigger install base. It starts with 3D World, then Mario & Sonic Olympics, then Donkey Kong, then Mario Kart, then Smash Bros., Yoshi will be in there somewhere. Who knows what Wii Party U will sell, but I expect it to perform relatively well.

You don't look at a launch title for these kinds of things. Nintendogs + Cats didn't turn around the 3DS either. It was 3D Land, then Mario Kart, then Monster Hunter, then Animal Crossing and so on.
 

catmincer

Member
What are people going to learn from the Wii U that they haven't learned from the Wii? Seriously, name me a system that is selling as abysmally as the Wii U is selling right now that had a miraculous turn around. And calling it a "bad" first year is being way too kind. It has been an absolutely abysmal first year.

Literally the ONLY comparable one is PS3. Even then, it was never this bad. Plus 3rd party support for it regardless.
 

Platy

Member
It would have to be one of the greatest turn arounds in history

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I hate how this graph works based on months and not the number of month ... make the n64 start sooner and make the wiiu looks even worst than it is

N64 was still worst console launch on the first 2 months
 
I hate how this graph works based on months and not the number of month ... make the n64 start sooner and make the wiiu looks even worst than it is

N64 was still worst console launch on the first 2 months

Well the launch month of the consoles are significant: console sales always see a huge boost during the holidays, so it's ideal to launch during that time.

The N64 definitely would've had a better launch than the Wii U if it was launched during the same period.
 

Comandr

Member
Okay, so admittedly there are a couple of games coming in 2014 that will help.

Smash Bros, DKC, X (I think?) and MK8 are all slated for Spring-Fall in 2014. Well that's great for those four titles.

But what else is there? And what comes after 2014? I think we were told to expect Zelda around 2015, so.. that's one game for 2015... This console is really supposed to survive until 2017 or later with next to no third party support?

So between now and the end of the generation, we know of 6 major first party games, including Mario 3D World.

We also know that Nintendo typically only has one-game-per-generation kind of deal, so, we aren't likely to see another DK, or MK before 2018 on a console. I feel like Nintendo is blowing its wad very early in the console's term to try to provide life support.

I mean, I know these games are due, but Smash feels rushed to me. I'm totally unimpressed by what I've seen so far. It seriously just looks like an HD Brawl. Aside from the new characters, it even looks like everyone has the same moves. Brawl was in development for YEARS, and we know that Smash 4 only just started serious development not that long ago, and will already be out in like 6-8 months? Either the team they have working on it is colossal or they are doing some serious pruning to release it faster. (we already know a single player space emissary-like experience has been cut for BS reasons.)

I dunno. I just remember being out of my mind with excitement leading up to the reveal, reading the WUSTs every day, ravenous for tidbits of information... And now I just feel so... apathetic to the whole thing.

Pikmin was built up to be "one of Miyamoto's best games," he so claimed himself. After a totally forgettable "been there, done that" 10 hour campaign, I couldn't help but feel like this was not the game that I waited years for. It was a game I was eagerly anticipating at launch, and then after a grueling delay, all I felt at the end was an echo of my feelings on the Wii U situation as a whole:

Disappointment.

****

This is going to be the Wii all over again. A handful of brilliant, if not sparse first party titles sprinkled delicately over a too-long lifespan that a fraction of Nintendo's target audience will bother with drudging the console out of the closet to play. After the initial honeymoon stage (*checks the rear view mirror*), third parties will move on to consoles they know they will actually make money on.

And that's just how it's going to go. They bet on an idea that didn't pan out-- even Nintendo themselves is struggling to find useful/compelling ways to use the gamepad aside from inventory or a map -- and it blew up in their faces. Consumers saw the writing on the wall. Third parties have seen the writing on the wall, and Nintendo is far too proud/too entrenched to admit defeat and move on.

The best they can do at this point is to focus on 3DS as hard as they can; release the requisite "one per console generation" games on the Wii U, and treat the damn thing like a hobby while they focus their efforts on where the real money is, their handheld market.

Anyone that seriously believes the Wii U is going to make some kind of miraculous recovery and threaten anyone's position as king of the living room is lying to themselves.
 

x-Lundz-x

Member
I don't think anything can save the WiiU or even turn it around in any significant fashion. Will it cause a bump in sales? Of course. Will it cause a complete reversal and cause it to shoot up like the Wii in the graph listed as many a Nintendo fan dream of? Of course not.
 

Lumyst

Member
What I think is that Nintendo did not plan on such catastrophically abysmal sales, so even if 3D World leads to a turnaround, when they began work on that game, they didn't think it would need to have such a job. So I think whatever Nintendo intends to turn around the WiiU, would have to have started being made this year (perhaps Miyamoto's secret IP?). As for your comment about Wii Party U, I think that if there were a game that were to showcase how fun the tablet is for casual gamers, that's the game, and without the casual gamers I don't know if there'll be a turnaround for the WiiU. But we predict that the casual gamers are gone, Wii Party U will not make a difference, meaning what's left are those who are in for traditional Nintendo games. 3D World should show how many of those are left.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Obviously it will sell systems, but I don't think it will help it to even momentarily get close to Gamecube numbers. Same for Mario Kart and Smash.

I mean look at what Sunshine did for the Gamecube on that chart. Nintendo needs more than just it's same old franchises.

It's probably more likely to be tied with Dreamcast than Gamecube after these holidays.
 

iratA

Member
Nintendo should be bundling this new Mario title with the Wii-U for the upcoming Christmas Holiday sales. Getting systems into peoples hands could help spur a surge that might encourage more developer support and in turn, a rise in system and game sales down the line. With PS4 and Xbox One on the horizon Nintendo need to provide a better "value proposition" to their consumers than their more powered-up competitors systems. A Mario pack-in could be just what's needed at this point.
 

Glass Joe

Member
Okay, so admittedly there are a couple of games coming in 2014 that will help.

Smash Bros, DKC, X (I think?) and MK8 are all slated for Spring-Fall in 2014. Well that's great for those four titles.

But what else is there? And what comes after 2014? I think we were told to expect Zelda around 2015, so.. that's one game for 2015... This console is really supposed to survive until 2017 or later with next to no third party support?

I'm pretty sure there are plans for more first party games to be released in 2014 and 2015 than what's been announced. You make it sound as if Nintendo has disclosed every Wii U game it ever plans on developing. I can't believe you're criticizing Nintendo's 2015 lineup in 2013.
 

Baleoce

Member
I'm not sure why people seem to think Directs are the only marketing Nintendo does, and therefore the average person never sees anything from them.

Because I can't personally recall having seen a single Wii U advert on the telly during the best part of a year.
 

Falcs

Banned
It would have to be one of the greatest turn arounds in history

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Fuck me. Nintendo really screwed up big time with the Wii U.
Most of the N64's best games were all released in the first year! And now compared to the WiiU, we've got shit all games.
It's like Nintendo went and put all their resources into making the WiiU for the last 2-3 years and nobody remembered to make any fucking games!!
 

Haines

Banned
I dont think 1 game will start turning things around.

I think having all the games (smash, kart mario, NEW Zelda etc) is actually what its going to take for the system to have any great sales numbers.

The WIiU probably wont sell that great til Smash hits...but games like Mario will keep it alive.
 
What rumored drought? Beginning of 2014 has Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, and maybe Smash Bros.

Has there been any comment on why DK was delayed? People are theorising that it was delayed to pad out the early 2014 lineup... which could mean a delay for Mario Kart is coming. What else do we know about for 2014? Bayo 2? I think X and Smash will be 2015.

When you look at it like that... and with minimal 3rd party support... the 2014 release schedule is looking kind of barren.
 
I think it will definitely boost sales in the short term, but unless they get good third party support and do a massive price drop the Wii U can't be saved, specially with the Xbox One and PS4 around the corner.
 

jmizzal

Member
WiiU will sale well during the holiday season, its after that what they need to keep it going

Mario Kart needs to be ready on time, now with DK in Feb, then Mario Kart in April would be a nice start
 
It's anecdotal, sure, but I'm buying a Wii U this weekend because of the Mario 3D World trailer. I wish there wasn't so much doom and gloom surrounding the system but eh, I'm sure I'll be happy with it.
 
nsmb massively outsold galaxy, going by that stat no way will this new Mario game turn around the Wii u, im sure a few hardcore gamers will pick up the system but Mario kart is what will bolster sales to the masses, that and a further price cut.
 
Nope. Most of the lineup is on other systems that have a bigger install base or are more powerful/launching. 3d Mario is not a strong enough property to turnaround a system selling as putridly as Wii U. They should think about having that Japan bundle in the west where it would probably be more effective.
 

skypunch

Banned
Has there been any comment on why DK was delayed? People are theorising that it was delayed to pad out the early 2014 lineup... which could mean a delay for Mario Kart is coming. What else do we know about for 2014? Bayo 2? I think X and Smash will be 2015.

When you look at it like that... and with minimal 3rd party support... the 2014 release schedule is looking kind of barren.

Wasn't X confirmed to be 2014? There's always the chance it could be pushed back but Nintendo needs games for 2014...
 
Nope. Not by a longshot. When it releases it will be completely overshadowed by the release of two new consoles. The thing that will continue to haunt Nintendo is their inability to garner support from the likes of companies such as Bethesda. When the new Fallout comes and inevitably it isn't on the Wii U, that's huge. And the entire generation will just be one endless parade of multiplatform games not also available on the WIi U. That's 100 percent the fault of Nintendo. When the gimmick becomes the key selling point, you risk failing badly if the gimmick isn't attractive, and off-tv support just isnt attractive.
No doubt. This has been happening since GCN, and to a lesser extent N64.

It's unacceptable.
 
I don't think Mario moves systems like he used to. I'm sure it will help but Nintendo needs a steady stream of amazing titles if they want to save the Wii U, and that doesn't seem to be happening at the moment. Add next-gen competition in a few months and the portrait painted is a grim one.

I feel as though the 3DS screwed the Wii U out of a lot of great games. If Fire Emblem Awakening, Mario Kart 7, and Super Mario 3D Land were Wii U titles I wouldn't own a 3DS at the moment, but I might own a Wii U.
 

120v

Member
3D World looks like something special, in my book. hard to see how there wouldn't be an uptick in sales

but the wii U is sort of at a point of no return unless there's a steady barrage of software following mario. the thing needs to be hooked to a catheter of software right now
 
I agree with your friend, that ship sailed a long time ago. 3DW will give it a little boost, but won't be a turnaround for the console. People just aren't interested.
 
Edit: Turnaround meaning significantly more than what it's selling now. It's at what, 50k a month or something? Double, triple, quadruple that a month basically.

Was discussing with a friend earlier about the Wii U's prospects given the coming launch of the Xbox One and PS4 and the topic moved into the upcoming titles coming in the next couple months for the console.

Obviously at the forefront is SM3DW. I'm of the opinion that it's exactly the killer app the Wii U needs, coupled with a recent price drop, and hopefully (keyword) an uptick in marketing. My friend disagreed and that the ship has already sailed. However with SM3DW, it's really the only major, major exclusive that differentiates it from the other 2 this holiday. Most of the other games are also on competitor consoles sans Sonic: Lost World and things like Wii Party U which are only on the Wii U but realistically those won't do a damn thing.

Thoughts?
Yes, I don't agree with the "ship has already sailed" statements as long as Nintendo itself does not quit on the system. Nintendo needs to do some heavy marketing.
 

White Man

Member
True story: Between Wonderful 101, Zelda, and Mario 3D World, I was going to make a post saying that I was considering a Wii U purchase soon. Just before I started a post, my internet went out for a half hour. I can only take this as a sign from God. Maybe sometime in the future I'll consider a purchase again (if I want to go to hell).
 

AOC83

Banned
No.
The WiiU will have sold considerably less units than the Gamecube when all is said and done. Mario is going to boost the sales to an extend but it will be for short amount of time and it won´t be that much.
Most console gamers simply stopped giving a fuck about Mario, Mario, Mario over 10 years ago and since Nintendo offers barely anything else it´s going to be their downfall in the console sector if they don´t Change drastically and fast.
 

Fredrik

Member
I think it depends on how good the commercials are. If they're using parts of the latest awesome trailer in the commercials it might help selling WiiU's quite well. For a while at least. After watching that trailer I just felt that nobody does fun gameplay like Nintendo, awesome graphics, physics and particle effects suddenly meant very little. I asked myself "What game on PS4 and XB1 could compete with this when it comes to gameplay?" and came up with... Knack?
 

Kangi

Member
The Wii wasn´t made a success by gamers and it sure as hell did not sell because of Mario. Waggle + WiiSports and WiiFit, that´s what sold the Wii to the masses.

I'm not saying that Mario alone made the Wii a big success. I'm saying that "console gamers stopped caring about Mario" is a tad false when in that ten year time period Mario games became some of the best-selling video games of all time. That seems to be caring about Mario a tad bit. If you want to write off every single Wii owner as "not a console gamer", then be my guest, since you'd probably also use that to write off Wii U if it were anything close to a success.
 

AOC83

Banned
I'm not saying that Mario alone made the Wii a big success. I'm saying that "console gamers stopped caring about Mario" is a tad false when in that ten year time period Mario games became some of the best-selling video games of all time. That seems to be caring about Mario a tad bit. If you want to write off every single Wii owner as "not a console gamer", then be my guest, since you'd probably also use that to write off Wii U if it were anything close to a success.

You´re arguing under the premise that Mario had a considerable part in the success of the Wii, which it didn´t. Some Mario games sold well on the Wii but that was because people already bought the console for WiiSports etc. and games like Mario Kart and NSMBWii presented a family friendly option of entertainment.

People are not buying consoles in droves for Mario, the Gamecube and the N64 already showed that and both had , unlike the WiiU, a shitload of other stuff that was generally appealing to many gamers (Goldeneye or Rare games in general and some other stuff for the N64, Metroid, Resident Evil, MGS, Star Wars etc. for the Gamecube).
 
3D World + Mario Kart 8 + Smash Bros.


If this doesn't help, Nintendo probably pulls some money from the war chest and buys some exclusives or will make as much profit as possible and will focus on the 3ds.
 
3D World + Mario Kart 8 + Smash Bros.


If this doesn't help, Nintendo probably pulls some money from the war chest and buys some exclusives or will make as much profit as possible and will focus on the 3ds.

Of course it will help but it won't save the system. No system will achieve good sales with a lack of third party support.
 

Kangi

Member
You´re arguing under the premise that Mario had a considerable part in the success of the Wii, which it didn´t. Some Mario games sold well on the Wii but that was because people already bought the console for WiiSports etc. and games like Mario Kart and NSMBWii presented a family friendly option of entertainment.

People are not buying consoles in droves for Mario, the Gamecube and the N64 already showed that and both had , unlike the WiiU, a shitload of other stuff that was generally appealing to many gamers (Goldeneye or Rare games in general and some other stuff for the N64, Metroid, Resident Evil, MGS, Star Wars etc. for the Gamecube).

And you're arguing under the premise that Wii Sports and Wii Fit alone made the Wii the fastest selling console of all time. I JUST said, literally in what you quoted, first line:

I'm not saying that Mario alone made the Wii a big success.

Mario Kart Wii sold almost 35 million. If that's just selling "well", then literally 99.99% of all games sell abysmally. So again, saying console gamers "don't care" about Mario is just disingenuous unless you think the majority of the people who bought Galaxy, NSMB, etc. are not actual console gamers. In which case, arguing with you would be pointless.
 

AOC83

Banned
And you're arguing under the premise that Wii Sports and Wii Fit alone made the Wii the fastest selling console of all time. I JUST said, literally in what you quoted, first line:



Mario Kart Wii sold almost 35 million. If that's just selling "well", then literally 99.99% of all games sell abysmally. So again, saying console gamers "don't care" about Mario is just disingenuous unless you think the majority of the people who bought Galaxy, NSMB, etc. are not actual console gamers. In which case, arguing with you would be pointless.

Mario Kart was heavily bundled and presented, as i already said, a viable option for amily/casual gaming. The franchise has never before and will never again come even close to this kind of sales.
 
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