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[Brashnir]

if you were to combine all rayman origins sales, you would get a fairly okay number (in the 200k-300k range). legends might get there, but i wonder just what in the hell ubisoft's plan was. it's like they studied how ea botched nba jam and decided to repeat the same thing except with a half-year delay for extra zest. it should have been a ps3/360/wii u/vita game from the start. they could have planned a better launch for it during a time when they weren't going to be going up against one of the biggest games of the year. it wouldn't have done amazing, but it certainly couldn't have done worse.

It blows my mind that this game exceeded Origins' first month by 30-40%, and yet Ubisoft says it didn't meet expectations. What could they possibly have been expecting?

Publishers really need to start understanding their audience and stop with these pie-in-the-sky sales projections. When a game outsells its predecessor by a healthy margin, and still doesn't meet sales projections, the problem isn't the sales - it's the projections.

 

[Mory Dunz]

I gave Wind Waker numbers earlier in the thread but I guess people didn't see them.

As of the 26th of September, they were 66k on eShop (not counting codes bundled with the Wii U but direct purchases).

EDIT: Ah, wrong again. So ~190K+ as of Oct 4? That's a 35% eshop rate

Does the 101 # count eShop sales, cause that's how I bought it

No.

 

[ambientmystic]

GTA killed all as expected.

W101 turned out to be a game only GAF-type gamers bought, seems like no one else bothered with it. ~20k sales is just horrific for a game that received massive adulation and hype prior to its release on the forum.

PS3 is finally hitting its stride in the nigh impenetrable, Microsoft dominated US console market.

Spoiler

Months before the release of its successor, and its retirement lol

3DS is definitely the sales juggernaut in the US right now, and it will not let up, not at least until the following year after the releases have dried up. The release of the 2DS plus Pokemon which will be counted towards next month's NPD report will only help in its dominance. (I assume they'll be counted in one listing for the US NPD report).

I think we'll be seeing continuous and unceasing gains for the WiiU as well, however modest they may be, until next year too. Holiday season and all, plus the release of some 1st party titles will definitely help.

 

[mmmpepsi]

Joke?

I thought Madden was really popular every year?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

 

[C4Lukins]

I thought Madden was really popular every year?

It is, in the US at least. But everyone who is really into it bitches about it every year. For my money the Genesis and SNES versions were better.


I would pay a full 60 for a modern fleshed out version of Madden using the old graphics.

 

[Mory Dunz]

I thought Madden was really popular every year?

It wasn't Madden's first month, and GTA has been breaking records so I assumed it'd be in first.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

Super Mario 3D World 3D.

 

[Coldnoodle]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

I'm guessing the 2DS with the lower price point is their big play.

 

[Ridley327]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

I'm sure they have at least a couple of holiday bundles releasing around Black Friday, but 2014 does get a bit murkier. Great stuff for hardcore gamers, for sure, but like you said, not much for the larger audiences outside of Smash.

 

[Sanic]

2014 will just be another 2012 for the 3DS....a few average titles that play to an audience that already owns the hardware.

 

[Mory Dunz]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

There's Yoshi's Island, Mario Party, and Mario&Sonic...and stuff I might be forgetting.

But yeah, I see your point. But I'm also expecting some 2014 titles to be announced in 2014. There may be another DK port...

 

[Plinko]

2014 will just be another 2012 for the 3DS....a few average titles that play to an audience that already owns the hardware.

Tell us more, Nostradamus.

I see it being near impossible to match 2013's output, but I'm sure they've got a bunch of stuff they haven't announced yet, as always.

 

[Rlan]

Also for reference, here's some XBLA stats for the month:

XBLA Sales Analysis in short, September 2013

The only weekly stats we got:

LIVE Activity for week of Sept. 23

1. Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition
2. Terraria – Xbox 360 Edition
3. State of Decay
4. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows
5. Castle Crashers
6. Trials Evolution
7. DuckTales: Remastered
8. BattleBlock Theater
9. Magic 2014 Duels of the Planeswalkers
10. The Walking Dead
11. Girl Fight
12. Trials HD
13. Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse
14. Worms 2: Armageddon
15. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D’s Decade Duels Plus
16. Sonic Adventure 2
17. Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon
18. Counter-Strike: GO
19. Joy Ride Turbo
20. Fruit Ninja Kinect

- I've stopped following DLC sales stats for now, until new ones arise, which should be next month with the Pinball FX 2 DLC.
- Castle of Illusion seems to have done okay. Keep in mind it's also available on PC and PlayStation Network. Shame Sega Studios Australia is now gone.
- New freemium titles Full House Pro and Ascend have started off quite well with a lot of users jumping on, whether that's turning into money is anyone's guess. Takes me several minutes to get into Ascend, personally.
- Foul Play doesn't seem to be doing well at all.
- While I couldn't follow Ninja Turtles, the week of stats show that it was still 4th after the whole month, meaning it's doing quite well for a game that reviewed so poorly.
- Additionally, Ducktales Remastered seemed to be doing okay as well, based on the week stats.
- 4 of the games I'm following at the moment are freemium based. That's pretty crazy. Also nobody's reviewing them, despite there seeming to be a lot of players checking it out.
- The Minecraft stats are given directly to be via Mojang (thanks Dan!) It's seemingly slowed down, but this doesn't include the retail game stats, which has sold a buttload.

 

[jnWake]

Super Mario 3D World 3D.

Super Mario 9D World

 

[nhlducks35]

Wasn't it 19.99?

$30

 

[AniHawk]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

i feel that it might be like the ds's 2008 or 2009 where it's basically hitting its stride and can sell without major software to prop it up. it already seems to be in that groove, outselling the consoles if it's a slow month or not. but if they have anything to keep the ball rolling, it'll probably be smaller titles for a while. and who knows- they've been getting rave reviews for a lot of their handheld titles recently.

i never thought luigi's mansion 2 would amount to much, but it came out to great reviews and sold exceptionally well for a sequel to a decade-old game. fire emblem similarly defied expectations. yoshi's new island, mario golf, and even bravely default could be contenders if they're good enough and get the same sort of buzz.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

No it is way above the "current" userbase of said handhelds that are competing in a different market, and one of their own competitors appears to be the PSP. Let's get really stupid about it. More people have played snake, on a Nokia phone, then will ever play A single PS3 title. Plus solitaire and minesweeper, put all Sony games to shame. We are looking at 100s of millions, maybe billions when it comes to people who have gamed on those two windows games. Let us bring smartphones and tablets into the mix. The PS3 has not sold nearly as well as the IPhone, and more people are playing Candy Crush then Killzone right now!!

Where is this coming from? I'm talking about the sales of these consoles around the time that KH titles released for them.

Chain of Memories - 2004 (GBA)
358/2 Days - 2009 (DS)
Birth By Sleep - 2010 (PSP)

 

[Mory Dunz]

i feel that it might be like the ds's 2008 or 2009 where it's basically hitting its stride and can sell without major software to prop it up. it already seems to be in that groove, outselling the consoles if it's a slow month or not. but if they have anything to keep the ball rolling, it'll probably be smaller titles for a while. and who knows- they've been getting rave reviews for a lot of their handheld titles recently.

i never thought luigi's mansion 2 would amount to much, but it came out to great reviews and sold exceptionally well for a sequel to a decade-old game. fire emblem similarly defied expectations. yoshi's new island, mario golf, and even bravely default could be contenders if they're good enough and get the same sort of buzz.

Knew I forgot something.

 

[SlipperySlope]

I wonder if Ubisoft regrets delaying Raymon.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

I'm really surprised at people being surprised that KH charted. The series has always been huge, even the handheld titles charted.
Can't wait for 2.5, wish it was coming sooner.

 

[Jonnyboy117]

That's okay, you'll probably feel better knowing Ubisoft erased 10 months of sales in a competition free month when Wii U still had a little momentum just so their game could bomb anyways!

Wii U had no momentum in Feb. Zero. Don't be revisionist. Right now is the first half-decent time since launch to release a Wii U game.

 

[AniHawk]

I wonder if Ubisoft regrets delaying Raymon.

they may have made back their return on investment by having the team make the other versions, but i have to think it was probably a lot lower than had those guys worked on other stuff instead.

of course 'other stuff' is probably bge2, so it was never in the cards.

 

[C4Lukins]

I wonder if Nintendo has anything with which to capitalize on 3DS momentum. Obviously October will be huge for it and it will dwarf out everything else, but after that? There's Zelda, which may do modestly, but is honestly emulating a style that the mass market doesn't really care about, and will do nothing to convince the newly-acquired Pokemon audience to buy another game.

Nothing next year, aside from maybe Smash Bros., really has the same mass appeal that Animal Crossing and Pokemon did this year. Kirby will be a decent seller, but probably won't move much hardware. They've already blown their Mario platformer and Mario Kart loads. Layton isn't really bringing in new people now. Momentum is not on the 3DS's side in America after October, so I hope Nintendo realizes this and has something up their sleeves.

3DS will do fine. It will actually probably have a great year compared to last. Pokemon will be huge, and Smash Bros. will excite people. The other examples not so much.

Nintendo needs to give a reason for EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, and so on to give a fuck. Make Rayman, Madden, FIFA, Assassins Creed, and so on are part of their marketing. Fuck, MS has shown in the past that they will lend you some properties, why not go with it?

The current Nintendo would accept a new Metroidvania from Konami, and then send it out to die. Because they only get 20% instead of 50. That is the thing that Sony and MS have figuired out. That, as great of exclusives as said companies can create, you need a full library. So until they get their hair together they will be dependent on first party properties.

 

[nampad]

Thank you creamsugar, especially for starting with Vita numbers.

Ubfortunately, the sales are still weak and Killzone didn't do well ;(
Game deserves way more sales.

The Walking Dead bundle is really the best value right now, no wonder it is responsible for the main chunk of the sales. I guess the game itself sold quite nicely for such a late port so Telltale should be satisfied and I am pretty sure they also have some deal with Sony.
Hope that means The Wolf Among Us will also show up.

 

[UNCMark]

Wasn't it 19.99?

30, and after it bombed hard still 30.

 

[Sandfox]

Its nice to see that RF4 and EOU did decent for four or so days of sales even though they had to compete against each other.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Wii U had no momentum in Feb. Zero. Don't be revisionist. Right now is the first half-decent time since launch to release a Wii U game.

I'm just 1 person but I would have bought Rayman Legends in February without a single doubt but didn't buy it last month. Why? Because I didn't have much to play in February and too much to play in September. I find it hard to believe that I'm unique.

The game wouldn't have broken records but I bet it would have at least equaled the total it hit between the 5 systems it released on last month and picked up a few extra sales between February and today if Ubi kept it on it's original schedule.

The delay was a huge mistake.

 

[C4Lukins]

Where is this coming from? I'm talking about the sales of these consoles around the time that KH titles released for them.

Chain of Memories - 2004 (GBA)
358/2 Days - 2009 (DS)
Birth By Sleep - 2010 (PSP)

Ok so what were the sales of said games? Also when people think about KH sales, they think of the two main games which are at least comparable with current consoles. At least it is relavent. Tell me why handheld versions of the series are relavent to a remake on a console 3 years the junior of the past installment which was a handheld side ass story. I intentionally did not leave a question mark there,

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm just 1 person but I would have bought Rayman Legends in February without a single doubt but didn't buy it last month. Why? Because I didn't have much to play in February and too much to play in September. I find it hard to believe that I'm unique.

The game wouldn't have broken records but I bet it would have at least equaled the total it hit between the 5 systems it released on last month and picked up a few extra sales between February and today if Ubi kept it on it's original schedule.

The delay was a huge mistake.

Nothing that has released on the Wii U all this year has suggested that this is even remotely possible.

 

[Vilam]

I didn't realize NHL was popular enough to chart on NPD. Makes me wish even more that there was a next gen version this year.

 

[Sandfox]

I'm just 1 person but I would have bought Rayman Legends in February without a single doubt but didn't buy it last month. Why? Because I didn't have much to play in February and too much to play in September. I find it hard to believe that I'm unique.

The game wouldn't have broken records but I bet it would have at least equaled the total it hit between the 5 systems it released on last month and picked up a few extra sales between February and today if Ubi kept it on it's original schedule.

The delay was a huge mistake.

If it came out in 2012 like it was originally supposed to(IIRC) it might have sold better but getting later in makes it kinda doubtful.

 

[C4Lukins]

I didn't realize NHL was popular enough to chart on NPD. Makes me wish even more that there was a next gen version this year.

The NHL may be the 4th or 5th most popular sport in the US, but it makes for a great video game.

 

[AniHawk]

Nothing that has released on the Wii U all this year has suggested that this is even remotely possible.

lego city undercover and pikmin 3 accomplished that. of course, they had television campaigns, which legends probably wouldn't have gotten.

at the very least, there's an argument to be made about the return on investment of the other versions, the extra time spent in development, and the money spent on the game's continued promotion, versus if they had just release a single sku and had the team move ontlo something more promising instead.

 

[w1gglyjones]

Nothing that has released on the Wii U all this year has suggested that this is even remotely possible.

Lego City did 100k+ in march. It's possible the rayman origins could get close to 70k in february

edit: rayman legends*

 

[Jonnyboy117]

The delay was a huge mistake.

Nintendo didn't release a single first-party Wii U game in Q1. Console sales were practically nonexistent. I know people were angry about the delay, but as a business, Ubisoft would have been OUT OF THEIR MINDS to launch that game in Feb. as a Wii U exclusive.

 

[Plinko]

I didn't realize NHL was popular enough to chart on NPD. Makes me wish even more that there was a next gen version this year.

If it was a new engine I would have been day one on PS4. We all know a new engine isn't happening.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Nothing that has released on the Wii U all this year has suggested that this is even remotely possible.

It did 55% of the games total sales on a system that was actually busy with software releases for the first time since launch. You really don't think it would have performed better back when it was actually supposed to be released?

The Wii U sold the majority of the systems that are out there before February and RL was the primary demo game in the US.

 

[w1gglyjones]

Nintendo didn't release a single first-party Wii U game in Q1. Console sales were practically nonexistent. I know people were angry about the delay, but as a business, Ubisoft would have been OUT OF THEIR MINDS to launch that game in Feb. as a Wii U exclusive.

It was dated for the end of february. 2 weeks before lego city and then monster hunter.

There is no way of knowing, and this is hindsight of course. I'm sure it would have been close to the current result, but clearly Ubisoft aimed for even greater sales way back then.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Ok so what were the sales of said games? Also when people think about KH sales, they think of the two main games which are at least comparable with current consoles. At least it is relavent. Tell me why handheld versions of the series are relavent to a remake on a console 3 years the junior of the past installment which was a handheld side ass story. I intentionally did not leave a question mark there,

BBS - 225k in September 2010

358/2 days - 200k debut in September 2009, 360k by October 2009

No archived data. Since I've done all the leg work, can you explain why you're incensed by my comparison of the KH remake sales to the handheld titles? The series never should have taken such a long hiatus from consoles, the sales prove that.

It did 55% of the games total sales on a system that was actually busy with software releases for the first time since launch. You really don't think it would have performed better back when it was actually supposed to be released?

The Wii U sold the majority of the systems that are out there before February and RL was the primary demo game in the US.

The 360 and PS3 got GTA 5, NBA 2k, Madden, Diablo, and KH on one side, and the Wii U release schedule is busy?

 

[GulAtiCa]

2014 will just be another 2012 for the 3DS....a few average titles that play to an audience that already owns the hardware.

At this point in 2012, we barely knew any of the games releasing for 3DS in 2013, except for a few Nintendo ones early on, like Fire Emblem Awakening, Animal Crossing. etc. Pokemon X/Y wasn't even announced yet (I'm sure it could be easily guessed it was coming, but yeah not even announced yet). Zelda LBW hasn't been announced. Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D wasn't even announced wither till early 2013 and then released early 2013.

So with Kirby and Smash Bros 3D and a few other games, Nintendo could have another successful year for 2014. Probably less then 2013 cause no Pokemon (unless they get Pokemon Z, but even then will likely do a little bit less) but still likely be better then 2012.

 

[Saint Gregory]

The 360 and PS3 got GTA 5, NBA 2k, Madden, Diablo, and KH on one side, and the Wii U release schedule is busy?

Was that the point I was trying to make? I don't think that it was.

If anything you just further reinforced my statement that the delay was a mistake.

 

[speculawyer]

I didn't realize NHL was popular enough to chart on NPD. Makes me wish even more that there was a next gen version this year.

I still miss NHL 2Kn. :-(

If it was a new engine I would have been day one on PS4. We all know a new engine isn't happening.

Yeah, the lack of competition sucks. Madden, NBA 2Kn, and NHL have probably all become a bit complacent without having any competition. Well, NBA 2Kn will have to compete again.


I wonder what is going to happen with MLB games? AFAIK, no one is scheduled to put out an xbox MLB game next year. I'm sure someone will but who?

 

[AniHawk]

The 360 and PS3 got GTA 5, NBA 2k, Madden, Diablo, and KH on one side, and the Wii U release schedule is busy?

the wii u had scribblenauts, w101, and tww hd in addition to rayman, and rayman was out shortly after a $30 nslu and a more visible release in pikmin 3. it's a slightly different situation because these all appeal to the same general audience, when i doubt the madden/nba people all went for diablo or kingdom hearts.

 

[megamerican]

Truly pathetic numbers for W101. Have WiiU owners already given up on their system? I would have thought they were starved for content.

 

[LOCK]

We need 3DS numbers.

 

[Aquamarine]

Creamsugar, is there anything else regarding hardware besides Vita's 41K figure?

3DS figures would be most appreciated!

 

[LOCK]

I say somebody give us a pie chart.

 

[speculawyer]

Truly pathetic numbers for W101. Have WiiU owners already given up on their system? I would have thought they were starved for content.

It has been joked about a lot . . . but will Nintendo go third party? I doubt it, they can probably weather the storm for a generation. But they may become marginalized.

 

[Sandfox]

Truly pathetic numbers for W101. Have WiiU owners already given up on their system? I would have thought they were starved for content.

Wii U owners aren't going to buy a game just because its on the Wii U. IMO it was a niche game that had too big of a budget.